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Check out this story on Clambake

and here's a story broadcast on NBC's Rock Center, a few weeks ago, about what was going on in the White House in Jack Kennedy's day.

It is relevant to the ASHO Senior C/S part of her story.

I imagine it is also relevant to a lot of freshman girls in colleges across the globe for the last hundred years also.

http://rockcenter.nbcnews.com/_news...affair-i-was-sort-of-swept-into-this-web?lite

By Jessica Hopper
Rock Center

Mimi Alford says her 18 month affair with President John F. Kennedy was glamorous and fun, but also says the experience revealed a darker side of the king of Camelot.

“I was sort of swept into this web,” Alford told Meredith Vieira in an exclusive interview broadcast Wednesday night on NBC's Rock Center with Brian Williams. “The handsome president, his charisma, his magnetism.”

“Webs are sort of gentle, in a way. They’re controlling, but they are gentle,” Alford said.

Half a century after the affair, it’s still difficult for Alford to talk about the relationship that she says began when she was just 19 years old.

“I don’t think what I did at 19 was bad,” Alford told Vieira through tears.

“I’m remembering how enthusiastic I was and how much fun I was to be with,” Alford said. “I wasn’t after anything. I wasn’t after a job. I was just a young girl.”

Alford says that her sexual relationship with the 45-year-old Kennedy began in the summer of 1962, four days into her internship at the White House. She describes the affair as one where she and the president never kissed. Even in their most intimate moments, she called him Mr. President, never Jack, Alford says.

“It wasn’t a romantic affair. I don’t really remember the president ever kissing me and it, that makes me sad. I don’t remember really kissing him either and I think really that I didn’t, I certainly didn’t learn how to have a real relationship through that relationship,” Alford said.

Now 68, Alford has written a book, Once Upon a Secret My Affair with John F. Kennedy and its Aftermath, sharing explicit details about her relationship with the president. She describes Kennedy as both “boyish” and “shy” around her, but also writes about witnessing his demons.

While Alford and Kennedy’s affair began in 1962, she first met the president a year earlier. In 1961, she was a senior at Miss Porter’s School in Connecticut and was the editor of the boarding school’s newspaper. She wanted to interview her school’s most famous alumna, Jackie Kennedy. She didn’t get the interview with the first lady, but she was invited to visit the White House and interview Mrs. Kennedy’s social secretary, Letitia Baldridge.


While visiting the White House, she met Kennedy briefly. A year after her article was printed, she was a freshman at Wheaton College in Massachusetts when she received a surprising offer of a job as a White House intern. Alford had never applied for the job.

“I was excited about this job. It seemed like a miracle,” Alford said. “And I was a little bit wide-eyed I think, not knowing exactly what to expect, but full of enthusiasm and hope.”

Parts of Alford’s story are impossible to confirm because the people involved are no longer alive. However, NBC News talked to several people tied to the JFK administration who confirm that Alford was a White House intern and had special access to the president. An oral history by JFK White House aide Barbara Gamarekian references a beautiful intern named Mimi who Gamarekian suspected had an affair with Kennedy. Gamarekian is no longer alive.

The First Encounter with Pres. Kennedy

The debutante from a prominent New Jersey family headed to Washington, D.C. in the summer of 1962 to begin working in the White House press office. Four days into her internship, Alford says JFK aide David Powers invited her to go swimming.

“He said, ‘A group of us are going to have a swim at lunchtime. Would you like to join us?’” Alford said. “I think I was probably so taken in by being invited to go do it that I didn’t think too much about it’s odd, should I be doing this, should I not be doing this? I thought, no, I’ll just go ahead and do it.”

Alford says she was joined by two others in the pool, White House staffers Priscilla Wear and Jill Cowan, who were playfully dubbed ‘Fiddle and Faddle.’

“And while we were there, shortly after that, the president arrived. So I was sort of surprised that the president was joining us. No one had said the president was going to join us, but he went and put on his trunks and came into the water,” Alford said.

Alford finished her swim with the president and returned to work.

“It didn’t seem unnatural. It sounds funny to say that, but it really didn’t seem unnatural, just because everybody was friendly and this is what we were doing and I went back to work afterwards,” Alford said. “No one said anything.”

NBC News’ calls to Priscilla Wear to confirm the story were not returned.

Alford says that a few hours after her first swim with the president, she received another call from JFK aide Powers. This time he invited her upstairs to the White House residence for a welcoming of the new staff.

“There was a pitcher of daiquiris on the coffee table and Dave [Powers] poured me one,” Alford said.

It was the first time she’d ever tasted a daiquiri.


“And then the president arrived,” Alford said. “He sat down, very relaxed, put his feet up on the coffee table and sort of joined in on the conversations…Obviously these were the people that he liked to relax with and then there was I, which seemed a little odd, but I didn’t think much about it.”

Alford says Kennedy singled her out and asked if she wanted to take a private tour of the rooms his wife had recently redecorated.

“There was nothing in my mind that thought anything other than what I was being offered which was a tour of what the White House looked like,” Alford said.

Kennedy led Alford on the tour, which she says ended in Jackie Kennedy’s bedroom.

“I felt the president getting closer and closer to me,” Alford said. “His way didn’t make me nervous and he came close, very close, and looked me right in the eyes and I actually, he then put his hands on my shoulder and sort of guiding me down to the edge of the bed, sort of the corner of the bed and I think he may have even said to me, ‘Is this all right’…I don’t really think I knew what he was talking about.”

Alford says she was a virgin who had only kissed a boy when she was in eighth grade.

“Obviously what did happen was I lost my virginity right there. Then, I think I went a little bit into shock,” Alford said. “He kept asking me if I was all right and I was all right, there was not a lot of conversation.”

In her memoir, Alford writes that Kennedy “maneuvered me swiftly and unexpectedly and with such authority and strength that short of screaming, I doubt if I could have done anything to thwart his intentions.”

Decades later when Alford confided in friends and family, some questioned whether she was raped by Kennedy.

“I don’t consider it was rape. I don’t,” Alford said. “If I had said no, I think the president would have stopped, but I didn’t…there was no coercion.”

A few days after her first tryst with Kennedy, Alford says she was invited again to the private floors of the White House.

“I had just a little bit of second thoughts, not enough to keep me from going back,” Alford said.

Alford describes this as a pivotal point in her relationship with Kennedy saying that it marks the beginning of their secret affair.

Rubber Ducks, Cooking with Kennedy and Special Hair Treatments

In her book, Alford calls her sexual encounters with Kennedy varied and fun, describing the president as a sensualist who also enjoyed being completely silly, especially in the bathtub.

“He had a collection of little yellow rubber ducks and they were in the bathtub and rubber ducks became sort of part of the game,” Alford said. “We had races with rubber ducks in the bathtub. I know he was not being president when he was with me.”

She says Kennedy taught her how to cook eggs in a double broiler the way he liked them. They listened to records.

“I think maybe I reminded him of a younger time in his life,” Alford said.

She says that she even learned how to help Kennedy keep his hair perfectly coiffed by performing special hair treatments.

“I ended up taking care of the president’s hair. He had this, he had that wonderful hair and it always needed to be in great shape and so I learned how to do the head treatments,” Alford said.

Alford says that she sometimes performed the hair treatments in the Oval Office. Alford says that during her internship, she would sometimes spend the night at the White House, but nobody would ever acknowledge the affair.

“Secret Service might have known, but nobody ever talked to me about it,” Alford said.


She traveled on occasion with the president, flying on the support plane in her role as press office intern. On one trip, she says that she ended up at a party at Bing Crosby’s home in California.

“It was exciting. It was glamorous, it was fun,” Alford said.

During many of her trips with the president, Alford says that she often played the “waiting game,” spending hours in a hotel room waiting for Kennedy to pay her a visit.

“I should have felt guilty. He was married to Mrs. Kennedy, but I didn’t at the time feel guilty because I think I felt this closeness to him,” Alford said.

Looking back now, Alford realizes she was at the beck and call of the 45-year-old president.

“I can see it’s not a good place for a 19-year-old to be in a relationship that’s so imbalanced and with such a powerful person and an older man and at the beck and call,” Alford said. “I see how sad it was.”

Kennedy’s Request to ‘Take Care’ of Aide, Ted Kennedy

While Alford says the president made her feel special, she also says that he had a “dark side.” The most disturbing incident occurred at the White House pool, Alford says.

JFK aide Powers was sitting poolside while Alford and Kennedy swam. Alford claims Kennedy whispered in her ear that Powers looked tense and asked her, ‘Would you take care of it.’

Alford writes in her book, ‘I knew exactly what he meant. Take care of it. That was a challenge to give Dave Powers oral sex. I don’t think the president thought I’d do it, but I’m ashamed to say that I did.”

An emotional Alford told Vieira that the incident still makes her sad and angry.

“It makes me angry because I didn’t just splash water in the president’s face and tell him to get lost,” Alford said. “It makes me sad because I did it.”

JFK aide Powers died in 1998, before Alford came forward with her secret.

Alford claims the president asked her to “take care” of his brother, freshman Senator Ted Kennedy, in the fall of 1963 towards the end of their affair, but she refused.

Pregnancy Scare and the Cuban Missile Crisis

When Alford returned to college in the fall of 1962, she briefly panicked that she might be pregnant. She says she contacted JFK aide Powers.

“He said that he would put me in touch with someone who would put me in touch with someone who would put me in touch with someone down the line if I should need help and luckily I didn’t,” Alford said.

Alford says that she and Kennedy continued their relationship. She says that they devised a nickname, “Michael Carter,” for Kennedy to use when calling her dorm.

When a phone call wasn’t enough, Alford says the president would brazenly make arrangements to bring her back to Washington, D.C. She claims that even returned to visit the president during the tense night before the Cuban Missile Crisis was resolved.

“I think the president wanted me to be there,” Alford said. “I really didn’t spend much time with the president. I was just there.”

She didn’t sleep with the president that night.
 
and last, but not least

I have not found any ex GO people, who have ever heard of MSH being at Fifield Manor at all ever.

I do recall, somewhere in that period, getting into an elevator with Diana Hubbard, in Fifield, but, so what?!

I'm just chasing details for my own curiosity.
 
does anyone remember anytime someone else, besides this girl, was "beached"?

Unlike SP, PTS, declared, and all of the green vols, whick get applied, misapplied, and ignored over and over, I had never heard the term, "beached" before that day, and never again after that .

I was at ASHO when a young girl / woman course supe was "beached."

Everything in the Co$ culture is replicated over and over again. To my knowledge, NOT "beached."

That doesn't make all of the vigettes true. That one part of the story is verifiable, and only known by say 300 people max.

I've been out sonce 1976, surfing the net before the Netscape browser was developed, and have never seen that particular story.
 

programmer_guy

True Ex-Scientologist
I am not going to speak to the story except to say I stopped reading it soon after the point where she relates meeting Hubbard. I do want to mention that it reminded me a bit of reading Steven Fishman's book "Lonesome Squirrel", or as much of it as I was interested to read. Fishman also litters his story with real names and places, in his case Fort Lauderdale and Miami Scientologists and staff. However, many of the Miami folk he mentions were well-known to me. They were my friends both in and out of the org. I spent time at their homes and they at mine. Fishman has the names and often the posts correct but has the personalities all wrong, the behavior on post all wrong, the types of actions that they would take from their post all wrong. My point being that including a bunch of verifiable details does not make a story true. Or false, either.

So, she is possibly mixing facts (e.g. ASHO stuff) together with lies (e.g. meeting Hubbard etc). :confused2:
A real ex trying to get attention and notoriety.

Any follow up posting from her should be interesting. Especially if she answers posted questions.
 

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emphasis mine


We all make spelling mistakes (lol) and I've no doubt about the measures the cult would go to to keep the income coming in (like keeping a rapist on post) and trying to 'handle' the victim sounds very familiar (Hello Jan Eastgate).

:)

Talking about spelling mistakes...

I noticed on the word "emphasis" that you failed to capitalize it. From this I realize that you are not who you say you are.

We're on to you, bud, don't try any more of your fancy OSA tricks, it's not going to work!

:giggle:
 
Around that time was the maybe four page bulletin on PDH. LRH was definitely thinking about that.

as Dustin Hoffman says in Rainman, "Definatly."

I just can't see LRH being so close to the scene of the crime, so to speak. I can easily see him ordering something like what was described.

Perhaps the overboarding got his adrenaline up, and he needed another fix?
 

HelluvaHoax!

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Too many times: Truth is Stranger than Fiction.

I could no more write that "Perils of Pauline" plot if I tried.

Too many parts of the puzzle can be fact checked.



On the other hand, a professional writer, like our much-decorated war hero & nuclear physicist Dr. Hubbard, could come up with a far more detailed biographical fiction, which could also be fact-checked.

Wait, it was fact checked and there were very few facts.

Now what?
 

lotus

stubborn rebel sheep!
I must admit I didn't read nor grasp the hole story - too long and complicate

Although it appears weirdo :duh: - I taught ''then it might have been true'' :biggrin: (isn't it scamology ? )

What I like is to read all your comments and attempts to split true events from anything else with providing info on these facts and events + all your hypothesis and takes on it!
Very interesting though!

:thumbsup:
 
one last memory just floated to the surfae.

I'm reclining in our hot tub under the stars.

George Baker was on the bc, sitting near me on the tape wall when that girl was beached.

George is. still in. He's OT 7, and lives in Alta Dena.

I would just like to find that course supervisor's name.
 

HelluvaHoax!

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There have been several comments/questions along the lines of, "Why would someone do this sort if thing, if it's mostly untrue/exaggerated/embellished?" There have been a few ideas put forward in response.

I think it's a good question to consider, especially in the light of the CofS' current rebuttal stance/strategy (ie. "Lies, lies, lies!") concerning other stories being told at this time.


I have no idea what the reason could be, but just for fun, here are some possible (speculative) answers. . .

* The old OSA paradigm of coming to a message board and trying to stir up a hornet's nest did not work. They are trying new models of how to disrupt critical websites.

* The more recently "successful action" OSA uses to come on a message board and tell a very sad tale AND THEN ASK FOR HELP & ADVICE has been failing miserably. Those kind of OPs get a lot of action because of the kind and giving hearts of ex-Scientologists in general. And recently they added a celebrity component to it with excellent results that attracted a lot of attention and posts. But, those kind of "Tom Cruise and COB are amazing big beings even though they recruited my best friend into the cult, do you think this is a good thing and is there anything I can do to save my friend or should I just leave her alone and let her go OT?" threads get picked apart and blow up under the weight of bizarre contradictions and non-sequiturs. In short, those ops are not working either and the cult might be piloting out a new brand of web-crazy tactics to shatter whistleblowers.

* The sensationally sympathetic story (rape, abuse, crimes, meeting LRH....) might be a pilot to gather information on ex'es who (inadvertently) reveal what they know about certain people and places as they are trying to fact-check the oddly unrealistic sounding story.

* Something else really mental that would not make sense to anyone except a Scientologist applying some secret "handling" doctrine for SPs. Even the un-secret doctrines sound entirely insane to the casual observer, like celebrity Jenna Elfman who "...repeatedly said "What crimes have you committed?" and began screaming "Have you raped a baby?" as motorists on Los Feliz Boulevard drove by in snarled traffic."

Just try explaining to someone how "Have you raped a baby?" makes sense and see if you can do it. I have no clue why Scientologists do some of the things they do. The best explanation I have been able to come up with why cult members let themselves be thrown overboard, imprisoned in chain lockers, bankrupted and beaten is that Ron thought it was a good idea.
 
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I told you I was trouble

Suspended animation
Talking about spelling mistakes...

I noticed on the word "emphasis" that you failed to capitalize it. From this I realize that you are not who you say you are.

We're on to you, bud, don't try any more of your fancy OSA tricks, it's not going to work!

:giggle:




You took your time HH, I didn't expect to last longer than a few days when I joined, I'm completely knackered and need a looooong (voluntary) holiday.

PS Do you think they'll let me keep my lovely new siggy line in the RPF?




:banme:
 

Xenu's Boyfriend

Silver Meritorious Patron
I'm trying really hard to give this person the benefit of the doubt, but come on.....

Quotes from her story:

Let me tell you the story of innocence taken and my life in hiding first.

Great opening if you're reading a V.C. Andrews novel or The Diary of Anne Frank. This feels melodramatic here and false.

I was a precocious child of marvelously educated parents. My father was a radiological engineer, my mother an English Major. My two brothers and sisters and I were highly trained musicians, each of us learned the piano and at least one other instrument. Mine was the flute. My parents also ensured we were all highly educated.

Although I lived in a village of less than 300 people, I knew how to read before I was 4 and started grade school in the 2nd grade at age 5. I graduated from High School at age 16 1/2 with lots of college under my belt already.

I'm irritated by the pseudo-gothic tone, feels like Louisa May Alcott or Gone With the Wind, maybe with a dash of Uncle Tom Cabin when she later finds out about the RPF. (She writes her parents and calls them Mother and Papa. Now it's Yentl.)

And skipping one grade happens from time to time, but teachers are aware of psychological issues of being outside one's peer group - it's a big decision with bullying, etc. And two grades, I've never heard of that. A five year old amongst 7 year olds? Maybe Albert Einstein, not her.

I honestly did NOT know Colin Powell was black until I read his book and he wrote about it. Same with Halle Berry and her Oscar nomination.

Okay, what the fuck is going on here? It took a book to tell her Colin Powell was black, but she started second grade at the age of 5? This village sounds more like it had a population of about 6. Had she never seen a black person before (we come in all colors.) Did they even have a television growing up where she could see Diana Ross on Ed Sullivan? Had she heard of Motown? Was she allowed to go outside? Is this person Amish?

Due to the fact that I got my Associate in Science Degree at 17, I left home to pursue my higher education at an age when most kids are still seniors in high school. Education came too easy for me. I either KLEPed out of breezed through the rest of what I needed to get my Bachelor's Degree in less than a year and started working on my Masters before I was 18.

So here I was at UCLA in the early 1970's not even old enough to vote already to pursue my Masters' Degree. (Yep, I was ripe for the picking).

Thanks for the resumé, but we're not hiring. Why do we need to know this?

She includes a letter she wrote will in the organization. She starts the letter, "Dear Family:" Really, dear family? She then names the people she shares her care package with. But she doesn't give any characters about them, like, "I shared the candy with Fran, she's from Minnesota like Grandpa" or something like that. She just says, "These are the people" - names a list of them, and never refers to them again. Why would her family give a shit about a random list of names with no characteristics attached? This seems odd. Especially as she should know at this point that all her letters are being read before being sent. She says that security stopped reading her letters because they were too long and they probably got bored. Yes, either that or they were never written until now.

I have spent a lot of years feeling honorable by not telling my story. It still feels a little dirty to be exposing my story, but the more layers I peel back and the more people respond to me, pointing out that I did live through things more horrible than I allowed myself to admit, that I am only exposing cult abuses, not dishonoring anything that deserves honor, the more I realize how incredibly dishonorable I have been to mankind in general by keeping my silence.

Let's save everyone some time and hand her the Nobel Peace Prize now.

Next up: My "escape" - or so I thought

Next up? What is this, Dateline NBC? Is this a story being told to release pain or to titillate?

I know people have asked for more detail than I am giving. I am not sure what you want to know. Horrible cups of coffee per day is pretty much a stat in Sea Org, so yeah, I was upstat on that. I am proud to say I was and still am a non smoker. I did attempt to start smoking in Sea Org. I took one puff off a cigarette and decided that I would never try it again. I was lucky to escape that, but I never did have my cigarettes per hour stats show up on any count.

Horrible cups of coffee? That's all the proof I needed. Definitely the Sea Org. Or the International House of Pancakes. One of the two.

Demented LRH wrote:
I am not an emotional person; I pride myself on being calculating and cold, just like the art of logical deductions which I have mastered. But this thread is getting to me in a way that I did not expect.


Ummm. . . . Thanks? I'm Sorry? I'm not sure how to respond to that.

Ummm, respond the way you would knowing someone who is reading your story has also had pain because of the church and might respond emotionally. Not this lame, slightly cruel response. Why wouldn't you know how to respond to that, seeing that you are no longer being "dishonorable to man by keeping this silence...."

It just goes downhill from there. I'm going to stop now because I feel like I'm being contemptuous. There are definitely compelling moments and and it reads like an adventure story. I felt that stuff about the guy on the RPF may be true. I don't know. Maybe there are no absolute answers here and it's impossible to corroborate. I just feel that with this much self-importance at the beginning, I find it hard to trust this person.
 
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Lulu Belle

Moonbat
does anyone remember anytime someone else, besides this girl, was "beached"?

Unlike SP, PTS, declared, and all of the green vols, whick get applied, misapplied, and ignored over and over, I had never heard the term, "beached" before that day, and never again after that .

I was at ASHO when a young girl / woman course supe was "beached."

Everything in the Co$ culture is replicated over and over again. To my knowledge, NOT "beached."

That doesn't make all of the vigettes true. That one part of the story is verifiable, and only known by say 300 people max.

I've been out sonce 1976, surfing the net before the Netscape browser was developed, and have never seen that particular story.


Sophie Leboussard/Preston was beached with her new young husband when James Byrne's mission came into PAC in 1990.

Ian Schillington was beached for some out-2D stuff in the late 80s.

Those are the only two I remember. It didn't happen very often and was always 2D connected. I don't know why people were beached instead of RPFed; seemed kind of random.
 

Sindy

Crusader
I'm trying really hard to give this person the benefit of the doubt, but come on.....

Quotes from her story:

<Snip of very cool posting for brevity....>

Ummm, respond the way you would knowing someone who is reading your story has also had pain because of the church and might respond emotionally. Not this lame, slightly cruel response. Why wouldn't you know how to respond to that, seeing that you are no longer being "dishonorable to man by keeping this silence...."

It just goes downhill from there. I'm going to stop now because I feel like I'm being contemptuous. There are definitely compelling moments and and it reads like an adventure story. I felt that stuff about the guy on the RPF may be true. I don't know. Maybe there are no absolute answers here and it's impossible to corroborate. I just feel that with this much self-importance at the beginning, I find it hard to trust this person.

The absolute best analysis so far. OMG!!! I am rolling on the floor. :laugh::laugh::laugh:

I was going to take the so-called "high road" :) and not comment on this thread but I can't help myself. It's just too ridiculous. I'll also say that no one that is that freaking dedicated forgets what level of auditor training that they got through. NO ONE. That was one of the most telling lines to me that she (he) was a big fat liar but it was entertaining but, not as entertaining as your colorful commentary.
 
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Xenu's Boyfriend

Silver Meritorious Patron
The absolute best analysis so far. OMG!!! I am rolling on the floor. :laugh::laugh::laugh:

I was going to take the so-called "high road" :) and not comment on this thread but I can't help myself. It's just too ridiculous. I'll also say that no one that is that freaking dedicated forgets what level of auditor training that they got through. NO ONE. That was one of the most telling lines to me that she (he) was a big fat liar but it was entertaining but, not as entertaining as your colorful commentary.


Thanks Sindy - I would have mentioned the auditing piece you've included here, but I didn't know that. Thanks for the comments.
 

pkatz

Patron with Honors
no, of course it doesn't make you a troll

this is an open forum with many ideas and opinions

a troll is someone posting under false pretenses

all honest statements always welcome here

Thank you, Cmdr. I didn't know what to expect in reaction (in the non-scn sense, please) to her story and to my post.
That is, I was ready for ESMB to erupt in hate for LRH over this tale; and I was expecting some sharp criticism for my cynical take on the same, ie and how could I doubt her etc etc.
I'm guilty of underestimating all of you. PK
 

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--snipped for brevity---

I'm trying really hard to give this person the benefit of the doubt, but come on.....


I confess. And this will be a very politically incorrect admission. While reading your post, I laughed.

But i see that Sindy laughed too, so I will see the both of you in thetan hell for eternity. Bring Motown tunes, I heard late at night, the partying there gets kinda funky.
 

Sindy

Crusader
I confess. And this will be a very politically incorrect admission. I laughed.

But i see that Sindy laughed too, so I will see the both of you in thetan hell for eternity. Bring Motown tunes, I heard late at night, the partying there gets kinda funky.

See you in hell (but I think we made that pact a loooooong time ago) :innocent: :biggrin:
 
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