Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? WTF?

[Gib]

Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

This is appalling. So sad. For the sake of a few stupid stats they throw the tech away. Turn the subject into rubbish.

what tech?

do you mean tech of entrapment and the tech of what's wrong with a person in Hubbard's viewpoint?

 

[Udarnik]

Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

So what I get is:

a) The Co$ does not follow its own procedures. No surprises there, time honored tradition. Tubs didn't follow his own rules, either.

b) This does not seem to make any difference in tech delivery. Well, sure, this is because the tech is load of fetid dingo's kidneys.

Is there any special significance to this, like a sign the cult is unraveling faster? Because all I see is business as usual. Perhaps it is one more piece of evidence that the Dwarf Mendacious does not believe in the tech, as he feels so free to gut it.

 

[CommunicatorIC]

Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

From what I've been reading, it appears that making Class IXs and Class XIIs out of Grad Vs who have done neither the SHSBC (for Class VI) nor the Class VIII course has long been the rule rather than the exception. I have a couple of thoughts on this.

First, it may be relevant that Class VIII is the highest classed auditor one can become outside the Sea Org. All Class IXs and Class XIIs are in the SO. Thus, it appears there is push to have public do the BC (for Class VI) and Class VIII course because the Church of Scientology can charge a lot of money for those courses. Conversely, for the SO members who are going to become Class IXs and Class XIIs, it appears the emphasis is getting them through and earning money as soon as possible.

Secondly and related to the above, it appears this is further evidence that for a long time the management of the COS has not believed in auditing tech. At the same time COS management is telling the public that Class VIs who have completed the SHSBC are the "Dukes of the Auditor Elite," and Class VIII course graduates are the very best, it sees no need for its Class IXs and Class XIIs to complete those critically important courses.

The bottom line is that, in the context of Scientology, Class VIs and Class XIIs are much better Scientology educated and trained than the overwhelming majority of Class IXs and Class XIIs. In the context of Scientology, there seems to really be something wrong with that.

 

[Leon-2]

Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

what tech?

do you mean tech of entrapment and the tech of what's wrong with a person in Hubbard's viewpoint?

You'll never know.

 

[Gib]

Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

You'll never know.

but I do know. LOL

belief is a very powerful thing. And I ain't got a belief.

 

[Gib]

Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

So what I get is:

a) The Co$ does not follow its own procedures. No surprises there, time honored tradition. Tubs didn't follow his own rules, either.

b) This does not seem to make any difference in tech delivery. Well, sure, this is because the tech is load of fetid dingo's kidneys.

Is there any special significance to this, like a sign the cult is unraveling faster? Because all I see is business as usual. Perhaps it is one more piece of evidence that the Dwarf Mendacious does not believe in the tech, as he feels so free to gut it.

scientology is a sales and marketing organization.

The sales and marketing is done to existing members.

Dissemination to the non-members is thru the vehicle of Public relations, but not to get more customers.

Members are supposed to via "word of mouth" get others to join.

Hubbard did it well. DM is not doing it well. Attrition is taking a long time only because the money DM controls is a lot.

All the reasons for a person being SP, is the actual way to take the cult down,

Arnie said, and he's right. OMG

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

scientology is a sales and marketing organization.

The sales and marketing is done to existing members.

Dissemination to the non-members is thru the vehicle of Public relations, but not to get more customers.

Members are supposed to via "word of mouth" get others to join.

Hubbard did it well. DM is not doing it well. Attrition is taking a long time only because the money DM controls is a lot.

All the reasons for a person being SP, is the actual way to take the cult down,

Arnie said, and he's right. OMG

It's like an Amway timeshare nightmare

 

[Chris Shelton]

Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

Within the Scientology world, the fact that they are now making Class X - XII auditors without having them first do Class VI and Class VIII is a travesty. To the run-of-the-mill Scientologist who has no concept of what the auditor training line-up is supposed to be all about, this is no big deal. To someone who has been in Scn for years or who knows what the actual deal is because they've done auditor training, it's a very big deal.

Making a Class XII without the Class VI (SHSBC) and Class VIII (HSST) courses is like putting a ten year old into a Post-Graduate Doctoral program in nuclear physics and expecting them to come out the other end being able to prove the Big Bang in a couple of days. In other words, it's skipping a few major steps in their education and setting them up for utter and total failure. Class XIIs are supposed to not just be delivering the L Rundowns, they are supposed to be the Elite of the Elite, the Jedi of the Scientology religion. They are supposed to be able to handle any case, anytime, anywhere, and effortlessly. Grad V auditors can't do that.

Taking it out of the Scn bubble and into the real world, none of this matters because the Scn tech of the L's is a total joke and no matter how much training anyone ever had since the beginning of the Class XII auditors (in 1970 or 71, I believe) they've never been able to produce real results with those L rundowns. At least no results that lasted longer than a few days before the person crashed and burned and needed an "Ls Review" back at Flag. Stably exterior with no worry about going back in the body? Yeah right. I want to meet that person. I think James Randi has a million dollars for them if they can prove it by reading something blindfolded that I'm holding behind them or something like that. Until I see that, I won't be saving my pennies for any L Rundowns and Randi won't be handing out any millions.

I have no doubt that the tech degrade of cutting out the middle levels was done on purpose by Miscavige in order to make an "army" of Class XIIs for Flag. I'm sure this was done because he saw the Flag income was being cut across because they couldn't deliver the Ls like they used to, since he and his RTC/CMO cronies managed to wipe out the entire cadre of original Class XIIs.

Kind of reminiscent of Emperor Palpantine and Vader taking out all the Jedi. Except for the light sabers and the way cool telekinesis, of course. Jedi are so cool.

 

[Gib]

Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

Within the Scientology world, the fact that they are now making Class X - XII auditors without having them first do Class VI and Class VIII is a travesty. To the run-of-the-mill Scientologist who has no concept of what the auditor training line-up is supposed to be all about, this is no big deal. To someone who has been in Scn for years or who knows what the actual deal is because they've done auditor training, it's a very big deal.

Making a Class XII without the Class VI (SHSBC) and Class VIII (HSST) courses is like putting a ten year old into a Post-Graduate Doctoral program in nuclear physics and expecting them to come out the other end being able to prove the Big Bang in a couple of days. In other words, it's skipping a few major steps in their education and setting them up for utter and total failure. Class XIIs are supposed to not just be delivering the L Rundowns, they are supposed to be the Elite of the Elite, the Jedi of the Scientology religion. They are supposed to be able to handle any case, anytime, anywhere, and effortlessly. Grad V auditors can't do that.

Taking it out of the Scn bubble and into the real world, none of this matters because the Scn tech of the L's is a total joke and no matter how much training anyone ever had since the beginning of the Class XII auditors (in 1970 or 71, I believe) they've never been able to produce real results with those L rundowns. At least no results that lasted longer than a few days before the person crashed and burned and needed an "Ls Review" back at Flag. Stably exterior with no worry about going back in the body? Yeah right. I want to meet that person. I think James Randi has a million dollars for them if they can prove it by reading something blindfolded that I'm holding behind them or something like that. Until I see that, I won't be saving my pennies for any L Rundowns and Randi won't be handing out any millions.

I have no doubt that the tech degrade of cutting out the middle levels was done on purpose by Miscavige in order to make an "army" of Class XIIs for Flag. I'm sure this was done because he saw the Flag income was being cut across because they couldn't deliver the Ls like they used to, since he and his RTC/CMO cronies managed to wipe out the entire cadre of original Class XIIs.

Kind of reminiscent of Emperor Palpantine and Vader taking out all the Jedi. Except for the light sabers and the way cool telekinesis, of course. Jedi are so cool.

gots to get rid of the old timers who can compare the old with the new. LOL

and declare them old timers, who wrote KR's (also known as Keeping Scientology Working), as SP's. LOL

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

From a business standpoint there is absolutely no reason to waste resources on the OT Levels.

It's a role playing game, it always has been and will never be anything more.

Their membership is dwindling and now they have these huge building to man. It makes a lot more sense to put bodies in the building to keep the illusion of growth going than it does to waste effort training people on something that never worked from day one.

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

gots to get rid of the old timers who can compare the old with the new. LOL

and declare them old timers, who wrote KR's, as SP's. LOL

The old timers probably love this because now they can pretend that Hubbard's com game used to work when they did their OT Level, but ever since Miscavige screwed it up it no longer works. It gives them a free pass to continue playing their fantasy role playing game.

 

[CommunicatorIC]

Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

The old timers probably love this because now they can pretend that Hubbard's com game used to work when they did their OT Level, but ever since Miscavige screwed it up it no longer works. It gives them a free pass to continue playing their fantasy role playing game.

I used to see this quite a bit among what I then termed Fundamentalist Independent Scientologists. [Well, I first referred to them as Wahhabi Independent Scientologists, but people got upset and yelled at me. ] More specifically, I saw Fundy Indies argue (in blog posts at Milestone Two and Fundy Indie comments elsewhere) that the "Original" and "Real" OT levels, worked -- which was why David Miscavage (perhaps in cahoots with the CIA, NSA, 12 Bankers, Illuminati and Xenu) withdrew them and replaced them with the "New" OT levels which of course do not work (despite the fact Ron was alive at the time and approved the change).

Interestingly, salesman and registrar supreme Mark Shreffler of Milestone Two fame recently resurrected this fantasy of the "Original," "Real" OT levels on the South African Independent Scientology blog, Scientologists getting back in comm:

Group Engram
https://backincomm.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/group-engram/
Excerpt:

I also believe that it serves these “renovators” very well to hold out-of-view their hand in this takeover as it maintains the grip of this unresolved engram, and keeps our group in a state of electrification. The ONLY objective they have is to see to it that the real OT levels are not delivered. Yes, they KNOW Scientology works and that these levels and the other training in Scientology technologies would prove their undoing. As long as everyone remains stirred up, they are winning. Their creed is “Don’t let them get the OT Levels. Don’t let them train on Standard Scientology”

Delivery of the "Original," "Real" OT levels was defeated by a grand conspiracy (of course):

LRH told us for years about those who were intent on taking over the church: The IRS and the CIA to name two. Of course these agencies answer to their own masters, who LRH also mentioned, but in my gut they were the actual “renovators” of this house. My opinion. Do any of you have evidence of this?

DM did not pull this off without a lot of help. The tech and policy arbitraries count in the thousands from the bottom of the bridge to the top. All the basics were altered. How could this massive amount of work be done by a failed case with no tech or admin training to speak of and therefore no senior grasp on exactly which fundamentals would destroy the effectiveness of our technologies? Outpoints abound.


As a working hypothesis, I would suggest an analogy:


One builds a house and then puts on it’s roof a “lightening rod” to attract the anger of storms and funnel it to the ground – allowing the house to remain. DM was allowed by these “renovators” to rise as the “front man” to attract the ire of the storm. He was well suited to the task as he is quite charismatic, blinded by his own avarice and a sociopath. Because he is not himself trained in Scientology he is the perfect “Lee Harvey Oswald” of the renovation, with the obvious difference that Oswald did not shoot Kennedy, where DM pulled the trigger on many for years – and yet remains free to operate.


It’s an old story. Who believes that the President of the United States is chosen “by the people” and does not answer to higher authorities? Even the Pope (the Catholic version) is on somebody’s leash.

 

[Leon-2]

Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

but I do know. LOL

belief is a very powerful thing. And I ain't got a belief.

Ahhh ! There you go matey. You do believe in everything that is real, and everything that is real is believed in by you. In a Venn diagram these two domains would overlap exactly.

And there you go. You need to examine the consequences of this and your ability to influence reality as you perceive it.

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

From what I've been reading, it appears that making Class IXs and Class XIIs out of Grad Vs who have done neither the SHSBC (for Class VI) nor the Class VIII course has long been the rule rather than the exception. I have a couple of thoughts on this.

snip..
Secondly and related to the above, it appears this is further evidence that for a long time the management of the COS has not believed in auditing tech. snip

I have to call BS on this. The mistake is believing the numbering of the courses indicate a progression. They do not. Each course is about a subject. Class 9 is about nots. It is not about being the next course after class 8.

Take the class 6 course. They cut a huge amount of R-6 data off the course. Why? Nobody but nobody does goals listing any more. Why teach it? So the class 6 course is either a C/S preparatory course, or it is a public course. Factually, how much of it do you need to be a good auditor? is their viewpoint. If you have a grad V who has interned successfully and can audit, why does he need the class 6 volume of data or the class 8 to audit Nots? He only needs the data in the Nots pack. If he can audit well as a grad V, then expanded grades, sec checking, false purpose auditing, nots, ot reviews, happiness RD etc. are only procedures he needs to learn.

Mimsey

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

I used to see this quite a bit among what I then termed Fundamentalist Independent Scientologists. [Well, I first referred to them as Wahhabi Independent Scientologists, but people got upset and yelled at me. ] More specifically, I saw Fundy Indies argue (in blog posts at Milestone Two and Fundy Indie comments elsewhere) that the "Original" and "Real" OT levels, worked -- which was why David Miscavage (perhaps in cahoots with the CIA, NSA, 12 Bankers, Illuminati and Xenu) withdrew them and replaced them with the "New" OT levels which of course do not work (despite the fact Ron was alive at the time and approved the change).

Interestingly, salesman and registrar supreme Mark Shreffler of Milestone Two fame recently resurrected this fantasy of the "Original," "Real" OT levels on the South African Independent Scientology blog, Scientologists getting back in comm:

Group Engram
https://backincomm.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/group-engram/
Excerpt:
Delivery of the "Original," "Real" OT levels was defeated by a grand conspiracy (of course):

What blows my mind is how can they continue to pretend there was actually something to Hubbard's OT Levels when both Hubbard and Bill Robertson went insane.

Does anyone actually want to end up like them?

Granted their mental illness might have been manifesting long before their lost touch with reality in Hubbard's Delusional Con Game, but we can all safely say that it certainly did not help their mental state from declining.

 

[Gib]

Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

Ahhh ! There you go matey. You do believe in everything that is real, and everything that is real is believed in by you. In a Venn diagram these two domains would overlap exactly.

And there you go. You need to examine the consequences of this and your ability to influence reality as you perceive it.

well, I'll tell you this.

Tomorrow, I'm gonna wake up about 7 am, start the coffee pot, turn on the computer, check my messages, go get a cup of coffee, drink it, check the ESMB message board, get another cup of coffee, take a shower, feed the dogs, eat breakfest, take the dogs out for a walk, start work.

It ain't no mystery, I gots no pains or aches, I talk to my neighbors, life is good. LOL

And I don't use credit cards. LOL

Nor do I think there is some homo novis state or OT state to achieve.

Life is good.

I'm doing what I want to do. And I'm fully in control of me doing that.

 

[CommunicatorIC]

Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

I have to call BS on this. The mistake is believing the numbering of the courses indicate a progression. They do not. Each course is about a subject. Class 9 is about nots. It is not about being the next course after class 8.

Take the class 6 course. They cut a huge amount of R-6 data off the course. Why? Nobody but nobody does goals listing any more. Why teach it? So the class 6 course is either a C/S preparatory course, or it is a public course. Factually, how much of it do you need to be a good auditor? is their viewpoint. If you have a grad V who has interned successfully and can audit, why does he need the class 6 volume of data or the class 8 to audit Nots? He only needs the data in the Nots pack. If he can audit well as a grad V, then expanded grades, sec checking, false purpose auditing, nots, ot reviews, happiness RD etc. are only procedures he needs to learn.

Mimsey

Sorry Mims, but I am forced, I say forced, to call BS on your BS.

I most assuredly did not make the mistake of "believing the numbering of the courses indicate a progression."

I instead made the mistake of adopting an internal Church of Scientology "tech" view, and treating the Religious and Spiritual Technology of Scientology seriously. As the Church of Scientology itself says:

http://training.scientology.org/wis1_9.htm

Comprehensive Training: Class VIThe Saint Hill Special Briefing Course


Auditor training courses in Academies of Scientology teach a person precise theory and techniques to handle the primary factors that complicate life and aberrate a being. In the interests of imparting data to a student that he can apply and get results with rapidly,Academy training courses are, by design, not comprehensive.Application is stressed in the Academy because in this way one can immediately get results that are obtainable with auditing and can at once start causing conditions in life to change for the better.


But a full understanding of Scientology and, therefore, of life could only be arrived at in one way: by following the path that L. Ron Hubbard himself took in order to find the way out of the trap. Walking the same road he walked, seeing the same things he saw would give one a total understanding of life, its mysteries and the technology for solving them. The course that traces every step of this path is the Saint Hill Special Briefing Course.


The Saint Hill Special Briefing Course is the largest single course in Scientology. It consists of a comprehensive and chronological study of the entire development of Dianetics and Scientology and contains the largest, broadest body of information on the subject of human behavior, the mind and life that has ever been available.


The course is named after Saint Hill Manor in England, Mr. Hubbard’s residence during much of the 1960s, and where he taught the course from March 1961 to December 1966. This covers an intense period of his research, leading to many important discoveries. Auditors came from all over the world to Saint Hill and were present when Mr. Hubbard developed the Bridge to Total Freedom and many of the procedures that today form a large part of any preclear’s auditing. The course was hugely popular and auditors who returned to their areas from Saint Hill were regarded with enormous respect. Demand for the training only available on the Briefing Course resulted in it being established in other areas of the world in organizations called "Saint Hills" as a tribute to the original home of the course.


Students study all of L. Ron Hubbard’s books and technical bulletins and listen to recordings of more than four hundred of his lectures on the Saint Hill Special Briefing Course.


Due to the scope of the course and the setup necessary to deliver it, only selected Scientology organizations offer the Saint Hill Special Briefing Course. The course consists of sixteen individual checksheets, each requiring an average of three to four weeks of study. Each checksheet covers a specific period of Dianetics and Scientology technology and gives the student a full understanding of the theory and application of the materials of that period.


On the final two checksheets, the student audits extensively and becomes expert in the application of Dianetics and Scientology technology. Special training aids helping the student apply his materials are found only on the Saint Hill Special Briefing Course. All of L. Ron Hubbard’s Technical Training Films are seen on the course.


The vast panorama of understanding the human mind and the secrets of life is only attained by an in-sequence study of all the developments one by one as they occurred, a consecutive chain of breakthroughs, each one a milestone in man’s understanding of man. Such is available on the Saint Hill Special Briefing Course.

Did you get that Mims? According to the Church of Scientology, " a full understanding of Scientology and, therefore, of life could only be arrived at in one way: by following the path that L. Ron Hubbard himself took in order to find the way out of the trap" -- that is to do the SHSBC.

So on the one hand the Church of Scientology says that:

(1) 'a full understanding of Scientology and, therefore, of life could only be arrived at in one way: by following the path that L. Ron Hubbard himself took in order to find the way out of the trap" -- i.e., to take the SHSBC.

(2) The vast panorama of understanding the human mind and the secrets of life is only attained by an in-sequence study of all the developments one by one as they occurred, a consecutive chain of breakthroughs, each one a milestone in man’s understanding of man. Such is available on the Saint Hill Special Briefing Course.


​

But on the other hand, Church of Scientology Class IX and Class XII Auditors do not have to take the SHSBC.

Thus, one can logically and only conclude that Church of Scientology Class IX and Class XII Auditors do not require "a full understanding of Scientology and, therefore, of life."

One can logically and only conclude that Class IX and Class XII Auditors do not require "understanding the human mind and the secrets of life."

One can logically and only conclude that Church of Scientology Class IX and Class XII Auditors do not require a theoretical and fundamental understanding of auditing and the tech.

One can logically and only conclude that Church of Scientology Class IX and Class XII Auditors are hacks.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

Sorry Mims, but I am forced, I say forced, to call BS on your BS.

I most assuredly did not make the mistake of "believing the numbering of the courses indicate a progression."

I instead made the mistake of adopting an internal Church of Scientology "tech" view, and treating the Religious and Spiritual Technology of Scientology seriously. As the Church of Scientology itself says:

http://training.scientology.org/wis1_9.htm

Did you get that Mims? According to the Church of Scientology, " a full understanding of Scientology and, therefore, of life could only be arrived at in one way: by following the path that L. Ron Hubbard himself took in order to find the way out of the trap" -- that is to do the SHSBC.

So on the one hand the Church of Scientology says that:

(1) 'a full understanding of Scientology and, therefore, of life could only be arrived at in one way: by following the path that L. Ron Hubbard himself took in order to find the way out of the trap" -- i.e., to take the SHSBC.

(2) The vast panorama of understanding the human mind and the secrets of life is only attained by an in-sequence study of all the developments one by one as they occurred, a consecutive chain of breakthroughs, each one a milestone in man’s understanding of man. Such is available on the Saint Hill Special Briefing Course.


​

But on the other hand, Church of Scientology Class IX and Class XII Auditors do not have to take the SHSBC.

Thus, one can logically and only conclude that Church of Scientology Class IX and Class XII Auditors do not require "a full understanding of Scientology and, therefore, of life."

One can logically and only conclude that Class IX and Class XII Auditors do not require "understanding the human mind and the secrets of life."

One can logically and only conclude that Church of Scientology Class IX and Class XII Auditors do not require a theoretical and fundamental understanding of auditing and the tech.

One can logically and only conclude that Church of Scientology Class IX and Class XII Auditors are hacks.

You got right down to the core of the deceptive advertising! Brilliant.

It's part of the cult's strategy for swindling customers.

Hubbard and Scientologists can always "prove" that their claims/representations are right because half of Scientology is negated and contradicted by the other half. There are two answers for every question. If it was a test questionnaire with "True & False" boxes, they checked both.

Then, when hauled in front of a court (or irate customer) they show you a carefully cropped scan of just one (1) of the boxes they "correctly" checked.

IRATE CUSTOMER
Hey, before I borrowed $75,000 for the Prosperity Auditing Rundown
you promised me that my income would double and
I would "easily be able to make the loan payments".

REG
That's right! You made the right decision!

IRATE CUSTOMER
But after I finished the Prosperity Rundown, I can't make
the payments and am nearly bankrupt! My income is
1/2 of what you promised!

REG
Of course it's 1/2. Because Ron said that 1/2 the gains come
from auditing and the other 1/2 come from training. Let's get
you paid up today for a training package so we can double
your income and "you will easily be able to make the loan payments".

​

 

[Auditor's Toad]

Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

Oh, back in the late 80s when NOTs came out it was well known that class IV or Vs were made straight into class IX to audit NOTs.
Skip that long old class VI of the SHSBC. No, they did not do class VIII which had all the ot3 crapola on it. Yeah, well.

OOT on internships auditing in the HGCs ? Oh, HELL yes ! That is where hours are done in ANY auditing internship.
Any auditing in an HGC is, most likely, an intern................period. Most likely anyone but a BIG celeb who got auditing in any HGC was audited by an intern.
( The intern paid to be on the internship & the PC paid to be audited... Get it ? )

I've seen - and known - class IV auditors who interned, did thousands of hours of auditing... and also " chicken " class IVs who NEVER audited & then did the SHSBC with minimal co-audit or minimal requirements who, tada, were class VI.
Some great IVs & some really piss poor VIs? Yep....has happened.
( And I've known - and know - some class IXs who are good as it gets, period ! )

Class VII was ALWAYS an oddball for those who wanted to audit the power processes - which went the way of the dodo bird with dianetic clear. Never were many.

The class IXs ? Yeah, from IV or V to class IX - as with all, some are GREAT at what they do. some, well, not so hot.
Personally, the IXs I knew - and know - were really really good. The ones I was audited by were long time SO and long past internships.

Ah, class XII. I know nothing about. Just don't. I know " back in the day "when trained and interned under the old man they were considered incredible.
Current ones? No data.

If in fact "current" class XIIs under DM manage routinely to skip 5, or 6, or 8.... .

Would seem to me if one was going to spend time ( aka : most of their life ) doing that stuff that they'd do it the way - and only do it the way -the old man laid it out to be done.

I've been away for many years but there used to a term for those who did it differently than what the old man said.
If I remember right that was pretty well covered in KSW 1...... ya'll know what I'm talking about ?

Don't get me wrong. I do like Davie boy. He is killing off what is left of that little cult. That IS a very good thing.

....

The cult did NOT invent communication. Those who have good communication skills find it somewhat easy to help other people.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

..

REG
So, this ruin of yours still hasn't been handled despite
1400 hours of auditing. We can handle it, but let me
suggest that you buy the "CASE CRACKER RUNDOWN"
and get the highest trained and best possible auditor
in the world.

PC
Oh? You are suggesting that I don't go with my favorite
auditor? Billy is amazing--he's Class VIII and personally
trained by Ron.

REG
Well, as you know, there are higher levels of auditor training,
Class IX, Class X, Class XI and--if you really want the best
in the world............

PC
Class XII? Isn't that errr--expensive?

REG
Well, it's not $500 per hour, if that's what you're asking. LOL.
A Class XII is the closest thing you can get to having
Ron audit you! You really need a Class XII if you want to make it.

PC
Ohhh....well how much is it per hour?

REG
That's the wrong question, it's not how much you pay
per hour, but how much you save per hour. Class XII
auditing is $1000 per hour, but you won't need as many
hours, so it's actually cheaper.

PC
Wow! Okay, but my credit cards are already maxed out.

REG
Don't worry. I knew you would make it go right to
go for Class XII auditing, so I already had your credit
limits raised. Just sign here.



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ps: the PCs ruin was that he was "totally broke because he was always being tricked by unethical people".