Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? WTF?

ILove2Lurk

Lisbeth Salander
Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

Wait a dag nab minute. You are forgetting Miscavage's big why and hobby horse - the blind are leading the blind. If you do the GAT tech courses, what in hell do you need class 6, 7, or 8 for anyway? Class 6 was a history course, so who needs all that "old" tech? Class 7 dealt with power and review, but who does power processes any more?
Since we're talkin' tech here on this thread . . . :whistling:

If you study the entire body of tech meticulously beginning to end, you’ll realize that big pieces of it were jettisoned by the old man himself. Only thing, this fact is not carefully documented or broadly advertised.

Leaving people in a befuddled state thinking they’ve missed studying something in the research line and are confused, have MUs, or need to train up all the way to Class 6 or 8 or 12 to really get it . . . whereas big chunks of “the research” were just jettisoned along the way. Again, this is not broadly advertised and the jettisoned materials are sold with the gold seal and imprimatur that it is all valid even today and very standard.

Just a few examples off the top of my head . . .

Should the lecture series “The Rock” continue to be sold if “no point in doing it?” Why sell or study it?

Finding The Rock (SHSBC Scientology Definitions II lecture)

“And here is the Rock. And the Rock was something which we audited for and assessed out—meaning a shape of something which we could then run a process on—and we at that time were running on the theory that it was the first object that the fellow had made on the track. . . . It doesn’t take long to find it and research it, but now that we have actual clearing, there is no point in doing it.”

Gold ball anchor point processing (SHSBC Scientology Definitions III lecture)

“And here’s one. This has to do with old anchor points and so forth. It’s the gold balls. Well, a body is constructed in a space framework, and you can actually see these things. And actually as you look around, some people can perceive these. . . . I wouldn’t look for them if I were you; it’s rather fraught with disaster in some cases.”

Creative Processing

Creative processing, the mainstay of early 50’s road to OT, was cancelled by Hubbard in 1960 in HCOB 11 Feb 1960, Create and Confront. Also jettisoned on a SHSBC lecture (23 Feb 65 SHSBC Level VII) and similarly mentioned again negatively on one of the XDN lectures because of its inconsistency in producing results on all cases.

Handling somatics on OTs

The very clear 1968 Class 8 standard tech edicts (punishable by severe ethics if violated) about handling somatics on OTs with more Dianetics (done for 10 years on thousands of paying customers) were cancelled and prohibited by the advent of NOTS in 1978. Re-defined what was enforced in those original 1968 edicts as a "case error." Standard tech ten years in the wrong.

Looks like standard tech has actually always been “what you can get away with.” :coolwink:

Or put another way, a vast subject of shifting sands. Sadly, it took me years to figure this out. :duh:

Preaching to the choir a bit . . . I know. :biggrin:
 
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Terril park

Sponsor
Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

I know you are promoting the freezone, but this doesn't do the freezone any favours. Because as I understand it the success of FZ tech is subject to the emotional mindset of the auditor.

The tech only works if it is 100% standard.
The tech always works, if it doesn't it is the client who has done something wrong.
The tech works if the auditor is of good will.
The tech doesn't work if the client is hungry or tired.
etc etc

There are so many reasons given why the tech doesn't work. Why is this powerful tech so fragile that even an indifferent auditor can screw it up so badly?

The tech is a powerful psychotherapy. Delivering a psychotherapy is
a high skill. Note that its more important for the C/S to be skilled. A
level 0 auditor would be indifferent compared to someone with lots more training and experience. But with good C/Sing and cramming where needed he can become better. And he can make it work.
 

Leon-2

Patron Meritorious
Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

There's something missing here in all the explanations of "Class 9 = Nots Auditor". The history of it all is as follows:

LRH set up the briefing Course in order to improve the general quality and skills of auditors. Prior to this they had been trained in ad hoc ACCs. On the BC LRH gave regular lectures and things generally expanded and went well. The tech was as good as the auditor happened to be and no better.

Guys coming on to the BC were given all of the earlier materials to study so as to keep them at St Hill longer and to train them on everything that could be gotten together.

He got into Goals auditing and, quite frankly, he saw his arse. He never cracked it with GPM handlings. Alan tells the story of this in his posts.

So he skipped that and out came the lower grades - quicky version. Grade 0 to 4 in ten minutes type of thing. Power and Clearing Course giot fitted in and after that the lower grades were there purely to hoick the pc up to Clear, where (supposedly) all bank would get blown and the guy would be sane.

The Bridge, and Auditing, at this time was a mish-mash fruit salad of all sorts of bits and bobs that LRH had come up with over the years. When Cl;ear came out all that was tossed aside and a pc did only the quicky grades. A field auditor would train in an ORg up to HPA which was a jumble of HQS course expanded plus the grades HCOBs and a bit of metering thrown in. The F/N was god and when you hit one in session (or said you did) then that was that, job done, no matter what you were doing. Auditing was still only as good as the auditor happened to be and auditing was what you could get away with.

The the Sea Org got established and after farting around the Med for a while LRH decided to get the outfit back under his control again. One aspect of this was the Class 8 course, which was to produce Standard Tech Auditors. The intention was to eliminate the idea of auditing being what you could get away with and auditing being only as good as the auditor happened to be - instead LRH wanted this standard put in of a definite degree of competence in both auditing and auditor, and tech was what LRH had said was tech and not what you could get away with. All good and well. Except for the fact that preclears were still only getting quicky grades as they were hoicked up towards "clear".

Neither the preclears got the gains they should have nor did the HPA's get the auditing experience they needed in order to become competent. So many people early on got through the Class 8 course purely by fluke and lucky F/Ns on easy preclears. They really still could not audit.

And this got shown up hugely in 1970 when LRH "cognited" that preclears needed LOTS of auditing of high quality in oredr to get enough charge off the case in order to have the reality need in order to access the real stuff on CC and OT levels. And not even the class 8s were up to it. So in 1971 - while I was on the Apollo - he started calling the all back in to get their cases sorted out and for them to be properly trained on F/Ns and EPs and Expanded Grades and all sorts of additional stuff. This had nothing to do with the Ls.


I have to go now - will complete this when I return.
 

HelluvaHoax!

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Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

I know you are promoting the freezone, but this doesn't do the freezone any favours. Because as I understand it the success of FZ tech is subject to the emotional mindset of the auditor.

The tech only works if it is 100% standard.
The tech always works, if it doesn't it is the client who has done something wrong.
The tech works if the auditor is of good will.
The tech doesn't work if the client is hungry or tired.
etc etc

There are so many reasons given why the tech doesn't work. Why is this powerful tech so fragile that even an indifferent auditor can screw it up so badly?


LOL

TECH WIN!
"I spent $85,000 for my L-12 and it was amazing!
I didn't go exterior with full perception as Ron guaranteed,
but that's understandable, because i think my auditor had her period.


 

Gib

Crusader
Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

There's something missing here in all the explanations of "Class 9 = Nots Auditor". The history of it all is as follows:

LRH set up the briefing Course in order to improve the general quality and skills of auditors. Prior to this they had been trained in ad hoc ACCs. On the BC LRH gave regular lectures and things generally expanded and went well. The tech was as good as the auditor happened to be and no better.

Guys coming on to the BC were given all of the earlier materials to study so as to keep them at St Hill longer and to train them on everything that could be gotten together.

He got into Goals auditing and, quite frankly, he saw his arse. He never cracked it with GPM handlings. Alan tells the story of this in his posts.

So he skipped that and out came the lower grades - quicky version. Grade 0 to 4 in ten minutes type of thing. Power and Clearing Course giot fitted in and after that the lower grades were there purely to hoick the pc up to Clear, where (supposedly) all bank would get blown and the guy would be sane.

The Bridge, and Auditing, at this time was a mish-mash fruit salad of all sorts of bits and bobs that LRH had come up with over the years. When Cl;ear came out all that was tossed aside and a pc did only the quicky grades. A field auditor would train in an ORg up to HPA which was a jumble of HQS course expanded plus the grades HCOBs and a bit of metering thrown in. The F/N was god and when you hit one in session (or said you did) then that was that, job done, no matter what you were doing. Auditing was still only as good as the auditor happened to be and auditing was what you could get away with.

The the Sea Org got established and after farting around the Med for a while LRH decided to get the outfit back under his control again. One aspect of this was the Class 8 course, which was to produce Standard Tech Auditors. The intention was to eliminate the idea of auditing being what you could get away with and auditing being only as good as the auditor happened to be - instead LRH wanted this standard put in of a definite degree of competence in both auditing and auditor, and tech was what LRH had said was tech and not what you could get away with. All good and well. Except for the fact that preclears were still only getting quicky grades as they were hoicked up towards "clear".

Neither the preclears got the gains they should have nor did the HPA's get the auditing experience they needed in order to become competent. So many people early on got through the Class 8 course purely by fluke and lucky F/Ns on easy preclears. They really still could not audit.

And this got shown up hugely in 1970 when LRH "cognited" that preclears needed LOTS of auditing of high quality in oredr to get enough charge off the case in order to have the reality need in order to access the real stuff on CC and OT levels. And not even the class 8s were up to it. So in 1971 - while I was on the Apollo - he started calling the all back in to get their cases sorted out and for them to be properly trained on F/Ns and EPs and Expanded Grades and all sorts of additional stuff. This had nothing to do with the Ls.


I have to go now - will complete this when I return.

That's all really interesting.

I'm gonna start in a new unit of time.

I'm gonna go get a new copy of dianetics- da science of mental health,

and I'm gonna co-audit with my neighbor,

and we are gonna go "clear" in 20-100 hours as Hubbard said we could.

Remind me to tell my results after I go "clear" in 20-100 hours.
 
Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

I love how there are still people out there trying to refer to this idiot babbling as 'Tech'

You have to be a fucking moron to still be pretending Hubbard was something other than a drug addled conman who was losing his mind

[video=youtube;vd1v7K5CsT4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd1v7K5CsT4[/video]


[video=youtube;t9reLONOJ7U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9reLONOJ7U[/video]
 

Leon-2

Patron Meritorious
Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

(sigh) pearls before swine. why bother?
 

Gib

Crusader
Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

I love how there are still people out there trying to refer to this idiot babbling as 'Tech'

You have to be a fucking moron to still be pretending Hubbard was something other than a drug addled conman who was losing his mind

[video=youtube;vd1v7K5CsT4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd1v7K5CsT4[/video]


[video=youtube;t9reLONOJ7U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9reLONOJ7U[/video]

that second video, hubbard loses his shit.

he says it's a prepared list by the auditor, by hubbard,

and not the pc.

Well for fuk'in christ, ain't that evaluation of telling the pc what to run or think? :omg:
 

Gus

Patron with Honors
Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

I would say this is quite accurate.

I think the Class XII's did have to do the BC, but they were listening to the tapes in fast forward to get through them faster.

Ah, yes, speeding up the tapes, that brilliant idea was the "brain"child of one Michael Wisner.

Not to mention another of Wisner's brilliant moves: There was an embassy that was moving, and he saw a very nice desk which apparently was unattended. I guess it was a really nice desk. So he stole it and put it in the LRH office at the DC Org.

Now, I believe he calls himself a nutrition expert, and has attached himself to Kirstie Alley. Her inability to lose weight probably has something to do with his "expertise," among other things.

Good ol' Michael Wisner. Upstanding Scientologist. (even though he was busted for both of those brilliant moves.)

Gus.
 

Leland

Crusader
Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

Ah, yes, speeding up the tapes, that brilliant idea was the "brain"child of one Michael Wisner.

Not to mention another of Wisner's brilliant moves: There was an embassy that was moving, and he saw a very nice desk which apparently was unattended. I guess it was a really nice desk. So he stole it and put it in the LRH office at the DC Org.

Now, I believe he calls himself a nutrition expert, and has attached himself to Kirstie Alley. Her inability to lose weight probably has something to do with his "expertise," among other things.

Good ol' Michael Wisner. Upstanding Scientologist. (even though he was busted for both of those brilliant moves.)

Gus.

LoL, good story. "S" St. or 19th St. ?? Just curious. Perhaps 19th St. was never a org but rather Ron La Fatty Hubbard's home in D.C. ?
 
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programmer_guy

True Ex-Scientologist
Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

I love how there are still people out there trying to refer to this idiot babbling as 'Tech'

You have to be a fucking moron to still be pretending Hubbard was something other than a drug addled conman who was losing his mind

[video=youtube;vd1v7K5CsT4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd1v7K5CsT4[/video]


[video=youtube;t9reLONOJ7U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9reLONOJ7U[/video]

I am not in support of the "tech" nor Hubbard BUT those audios sound to be altered to me to make it sound crazier.
IMO the actual real stuff would be enough. There is no need to alter it.
 

Gib

Crusader
Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

I am not in support of the "tech" nor Hubbard BUT those audios sound to be altered to me to make it sound crazier.
IMO the actual real stuff would be enough. There is no need to alter it.

It doesn't sound altered to me.

But, nonetheless,

introduce to me a "clear" produced by Hubbard when he wrote in 1950 Dianetics.
 
Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

I am not in support of the "tech" nor Hubbard BUT those audios sound to be altered to me to make it sound crazier.
IMO the actual real stuff would be enough. There is no need to alter it.
They're not altered with the exception of a pause and sound effect in one of them to give the listener time to read the comments on the screen, those are the same exact recordings that have been leaked to wikileaks. they are just five minute clips of them

You just don't remember them sounding that crazy because you didn't realize that Hubbard was suffering from severe mental illness when you first listened to them.

Listen to any of his tapes and you'll see he sounds like a tweaker that is about three days into a crystal meth bender. He was obviously a manic-depressive who was heavily self-medicating himself. He would ramble non-stop for days at a time, and then nobody would see him for a week or two, then he'd do it all over again.
 
Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

Ah, yes, speeding up the tapes, that brilliant idea was the "brain"child of one Michael Wisner.

...Snip
Gus.
I seriously doubt he invented that. I know it was being done in the mid 60's when I first got on lines on the reel to reel tape players. He was born in 1949 per operation Clambake which would have made him 16 when I first listened to sped up tapes. Was he on lines then? A Johnny Appleseed going from org to org leaving tiny paper strips on the tape player spindles?

Mimsey
 

JustSheila

Crusader
Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

I am not in support of the "tech" nor Hubbard BUT those audios sound to be altered to me to make it sound crazier.
IMO the actual real stuff would be enough. There is no need to alter it.

They're not altered. I've heard them when I was in the SO, though I can't say whether they were on the SO tapes or Class V or on a cram or what. L Ron would get all manic sometimes. It was annoying. I hated studying tapes.
 

HelluvaHoax!

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Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

I seriously doubt he invented that. I know it was being done in the mid 60's when I first got on lines on the reel to reel tape players. He was born in 1949 per operation Clambake which would have made him 16 when I first listened to sped up tapes. Was he on lines then? A Johnny Appleseed going from org to org leaving tiny paper strips on the tape player spindles?

Mimsey

I'm with you on this one.

I did a quick research project to find the actual origins of that crazily speeded-up audiotape technique that made Ron's voice sound really cartoony.


th


I've narrowed it down to the only possible source. . .

The tech (to put a little piece of rolled up paper around the Wollensak's capstan) surprising came from a directive issued by HCO.

Helium Chipmunk Office.
 
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Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

I seriously doubt he invented that. I know it was being done in the mid 60's when I first got on lines on the reel to reel tape players. He was born in 1949 per operation Clambake which would have made him 16 when I first listened to sped up tapes. Was he on lines then? A Johnny Appleseed going from org to org leaving tiny paper strips on the tape player spindles?

Mimsey
He didn't invent anything the Echoplex was invented in 1959 and that was even based on existing technology
 

Leon-2

Patron Meritorious
Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

that second video, hubbard loses his shit.

he says it's a prepared list by the auditor, by hubbard,

and not the pc.

Well for fuk'in christ, ain't that evaluation of telling the pc what to run or think? :omg:


NO.

Well for fuk'in christ if you read Alan's posts from a few years ago you'll see that he says that it was he - Alan - who invented such lists and that Hubs got the idea for them from him. And they are not "evaluative".

And the fact that Class 8s were making this obvious error that Hubs is going on about here shows just how poorly trained and experienced those early 8s were.

And still today there are bits of "tech" that perpetuate errors and that no one either spots or dares to query. I'll give two examples - one is something I have written about before - the Reality Scale as published even in the latest super dooper revision by the dwarf contains two significant typos that no one will acknowledge. And two, the term "repeater technique" actually has two completely different meanings as used by Hubs yet the Tech Dict and anything else only ever acknowledges one.

And there are numerous others - I won't say many, but there are enough to show that a LOT of guys from Hub downwards don't know their own subject.
 

cakemaker

Patron Meritorious
Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

NO.

Well for fuk'in christ if you read Alan's posts from a few years ago you'll see that he says that it was he - Alan - who invented such lists and that Hubs got the idea for them from him. And they are not "evaluative".

And the fact that Class 8s were making this obvious error that Hubs is going on about here shows just how poorly trained and experienced those early 8s were.

And still today there are bits of "tech" that perpetuate errors and that no one either spots or dares to query. I'll give two examples - one is something I have written about before - the Reality Scale as published even in the latest super dooper revision by the dwarf contains two significant typos that no one will acknowledge. And two, the term "repeater technique" actually has two completely different meanings as used by Hubs yet the Tech Dict and anything else only ever acknowledges one.

And there are numerous others - I won't say many, but there are enough to show that a LOT of guys from Hub downwards don't know their own subject.

How did 'repetitive commands' come about?
It seems it just appeared out of the blue sometime in the mid 50's.
That technique is completely different from Dianetics. Alan had written that Jack Horner came up with it but no details of what led up to it.
 

Leon-2

Patron Meritorious
Re: Class IX and XII Auditors who did not complete SHSBC or the Class VIII Course? W

Nibs claimed that he invented it. But who knows.
 
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