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Discussion in 'Mike Rinders Blog' started by RSS Feed, Dec 9, 2018.

  1. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    I don't ever underestimate the drive and desperate measures a person will take to recover their losses, to steal, to get revenge.

    I also don't overestimate the honesty of those who regulate or work for casinos or other places.

    Just because people start out with no criminal records doesn't mean they can't be compromised later, or that they weren't thieves who had never been caught. Greed, thieves and temptation are everywhere and some spend a lifetime figuring out ways to beat the casinos.

    I may be wrong about the magnet on the roulette ball, all I remember for sure was that the accounting firm found a magnet under one of the table games. I haven't worked for that accounting firm in over 20 years. They did find that every game had some sort of cheating going on, not every table, though.

    Proving whether it was the casino cheating or a dealer is something else altogether. Of course casinos claimed it was the dealers. In some cases, it would be impossible without someone inside to help in some way. But the casinos were the clients, so...

    They are audited every year or two. Just like the UK, none are ever busted. That doesn't mean they are honest, and between audits, they have lots of time to do whatever.
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  2. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    Everything you have said above - people who start with no criminal record who may be compromised later, and the extreme effort some people will make to cheat the system - makes perfect sense to me. One thing that I believe is highly unlikely is that an entire casino staff will all be in cahoots in order to rip off their punters. All it would take is one member to fall out with the others and the gaff could be blown, with potentially serious consequences for all concerned. No, I can't see that happening.

    I don't understand what is meant by 'audited'. Obviously a casino is a business and must remunerate its staff and pay its taxes, but over and above that I don't understand how some 'audit' could determine whether a casino was operating legitimately or not, but I am a bear of very little brain so perhaps that's not so surprising.
  3. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Among other things, accountants are used in agencies responsible for ensuring there is no financial fraud in casinos. In North America, the gaming control board is NEGRA, in Europe, it's GREF. They have members authorized to inspect for fraud on their behalf and these are established accountants. That field is called "forensic accounting." A forensic audit has to verify numbers and they send an audit team out to the casinos and the casinos set up a place for them to work. If numbers are suspicious, then the audit team has to find out why. Even if numbers aren't suspicious, the audit team verifies everything matches up with the numbers presented to them and that it is all by the book and the equipment is all standard. Casinos use NEGRA certified accountants for internal audits, or to prepare them in advance of an official NEGRA audit or whenever they wish. NEGRA sends them for the annual or bi-annual inspections as well.

    I do not know if there are other inspectors besides the forensic audit teams because I was never part of the team. One of my bosses at the firm, one of the partners, was an authorized member of NEGRA and conducted audits for casinos, so what I saw was only from that birdseye view. It seems you were never aware of that part of accounting.

    Forensic auditing is extremely interesting. For a large accounting firm, tax preparation is only one department and one aspect of what they do.

    Added. Here is a link and reference:

    "The types of crimes forensic accountants investigate are classified as "crimes against property." They investigate crimes such as fraud and give expert testimony in court trials. They also perform work related to civil disputes. Forensic accountants are also known as fraud investigators, investigative accountants, forensic auditors or fraud auditors.

    Although forensic accounting may not sound as glamorous as its other investigative counterparts, the field has received more attention in recent years. This is due in part to the high-profile, financial white-collar crimes involving large corporations, such as the Enron and Adelphia Communications scandals of 2001 and 2002. The federal government employed impartial forensic accountants to uncover the extent of the fraud and other accounting irregularities practiced by executives and the accounting firms associated with them."
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  4. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    On your statement "I don't understand what is meant by 'audited', has anything been suppressed?

    Yeah....THAT! What's that?

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  5. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    Do I need to tell ya? :biggrin:
  6. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    As far as the major casinos I worked in go I was just a supervisor, a small cog in a big wheel. How much of their income the top management and owners declared, how they shuffled the paper about, who they paid off and all the rest of it went entirely over my head. I don't doubt there was a lot of monkey-business going on given the large sums of money involved, and humans are by nature greedy. If 'audits' are there to uncover these antics, that's all well and good. (For the auditors and their employers.)
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  7. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Yeh, I was just a small cog in a big accounting wheel myself and never saw or heard about what happened after the audits exposed the cheats, beyond the fact the casinos agreed to correct the problems and everyone got certified - business as as usual. Apparently the audits always expose some cheating, so it goes on a lot.

    It would make a good movie. ;)
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  8. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    I don't know about a movie, but somewhere, in a cardboard box in my hallway gathering dust, is a book called 'The Green Felt Jungle' by Ovid Demaris. It's about Las Vegas, the mob and politics, and as I recall, it was a really good read.

    Oh, and talking about books, did you ever make a start on 'Gormenghast'?
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  9. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    No, but thanks for reminding me. That's one I can really get into. I'm still getting through two rather large books by exscns. I'm about halfway through one and 3/4 through another, but I've been working a lot lately and haven't had the time or energy.
  10. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    I was gonna quip about a GAE in not clearing commands but you stole the show!!
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  12. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    So why the hell did Ron permit Bridge Publications publish the Advance magazine? Not too 'Fabian' in my opinion.... El Con...always putting us a risk to be targeted...was he a suppressive?
  13. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    Or like not letting the OTIII Wall of Fire cat out of the bag so that wogs don't get restimed into pneumonia and die but then trying to sell the very same story as a Hollywood script called (Tax) Revolt in the Stars.
  14. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    Guess he figured guys like the Marcabians and Fifth Invader Force were either too smart or too stupid to take Advance seriously.
  15. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    Or putting Xenu's volcano meme on the cover of Dianetics.
  16. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    I finally did some deep research on this and have discovered the total answer to the 9th dynamic.

    It was discovered that the fiction of the Marcabians , the Fifth Invader Forces plus the volcanoes and the idea of a Cleared Planet were enforced onto the world of scientologist for the sole purpose of increasing Ron's 9th dynamic. Ethics= Money and power for the ONLY ONE SOURCE.



    RON the con.