Commendation, Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder.

Terril park

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Commendation, Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder.

I shall start with this comment from an asshole. :-

"Marty Rathbun and everyone else in the Sea Org can play the part of victim all they want, but they will get no sympathy from me by passing the buck to Miscavige."

This is an insult to many posters here who have written of there struggles to make the Church to do right. These posters are self evidently heroes, and yet failed. Yet they are, rightly praised not condemned.

Marty and Mike have struck it seems the most effective blow against the
tyranny of Miscavidge, of OSA and the COS, and some useless keyboard warrior idiots complain and moan!

They also insult those who follow the technology of scientology. Like
Marty Rathbun. He, others, moi, are freezoners.

I suggest they go to some islamic forums and insult islam and leave their address!

There are four heroes, putting themselves in danger to make the world a safer place for scientologists and ex scientologists.

Kudos and salutations. :)
 
:violin:

Anyone who continues to promote Hubbard as anything other than a piece of shit, is insulting everyone who suffered as a result of the policies he created
 

CornPie

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Anyone who continues to promote Hubbard as anything other than a piece of shit, is insulting everyone who suffered as a result of the policies he created
FreeZone "practitioners" support some of hubbard-Ass's policies, but they won't disclose which. Do some believe in Xenu and fairgame, and some not? Where do you stand on the FZ, can any of them be trusted?
 
FreeZone "practitioners" support some of hubbard-Ass's policies, but they won't disclose which. Do some believe in Xenu and fairgame, and some not? Where do you stand on the FZ, can any of them be trusted?

I couldn't care less what they believe as long as they are not abusing people, but please don't act as if Hubbard was anything but a selfish con man and expect not to get called on it. The reason Miscavige is a total piece of shit is not because he altered or misapplied Hubbard's policies, he is a total asshole because he followed Hubbard's policies to a tee. If Hubbard was around today the only problem he would have with Miscavige is that Miscavige is getting too much credit for building Hubbard's totalitarian cult.
 

Veda

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Marty and Mike need a lot of (self-initiated) "deprogramming," unless they want to end up the darlings of the glass-humpty dumpty's in the Xenu-Bridge Freezone.

It's their choice.

They've only been out a short time. Give them time. There's no reason to assume that they'll be permanently frozen in the emotionally/intellectually stunted Scientology Freezone mind-set.
 

HolyCow

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Holy Cow! From Islamic Forums to Pieces of Shite. :omg:

You know, I admitted on another thread that after the St Petes headlines today, I was finally able to cry. While I am overjoyed at the courage of others, and happy thinking perhaps the insanity and cruelty will end soon, I was crying not for joy.

Never considered myself a victim. Doesn't mean I and so many I knew and don't know haven't experienced profound losses.

I also gained an understanding today listening to the lengthy Marty interview. As difficult it was for me, for the first time I imagined it must be 100x more for someone who audited.

I made my own decision after reviewing all the information. I concluded that anyone would have "wins" and "gains" just facing up to the fact there was a problem and talking about it and trying to work it all out.

I didn't arrive at this crossroad overnight. And please remember that "tech" has been taken from many places.

My point is, this day is, at least, a hallmark day of celebration. Perhaps this is a very good day to begin to respect each other and even celebrate our differences.

This kind of name calling and denigration is exactly why many of us are here on the ESMB board ... to heal from that kind of ... uhm, toilet turmoil? turd regurgitation?

Peace, dudes.:fighting: :cake:
 

CornPie

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...And please remember that "tech" has been taken from many places...
What about the Xenu tech, the OT3 invisible Body Thetans, the DC9's, 75 million years ago, where did that "tech" come from? (scientology wasn't it, still being shysted by the FZ. For money?)
 
Marty and Mike need a lot of (self-initiated) "deprogramming," unless they want to end up the darlings of the glass-humpty dumpty's in the Xenu-Bridge Freezone.

It's their choice.

They've only been out a short time. Give them time. There's no reason to assume that they'll be frozen in the emotionally/intellectually stunted Scientology Freezone mind-set.

I do appreciate their willingness to come out and set the record straight, but acting as if the cult is going to be some human rights fostering utopia just because Miscavige is hauled off in shackles is retarded. There are more Ronbots just like Miscavige waiting in the wings to continue Hubbard's insane quest of world domination. They will just pick one who isn't as damaged as Miscavige, one without a debilitating Napoleon Complex. The bottom line is ... Hubbard is the problem and always will be the problem
 
Commendation, Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder.

I shall start with this comment from an asshole. :-

"Marty Rathbun and everyone else in the Sea Org can play the part of victim all they want, but they will get no sympathy from me by passing the buck to Miscavige."

This is an insult to many posters here who have written of there struggles to make the Church to do right. These posters are self evidently heroes, and yet failed. Yet they are, rightly praised not condemned.

Marty and Mike have struck it seems the most effective blow against the
tyranny of Miscavidge, of OSA and the COS, and some useless keyboard warrior idiots complain and moan!

They also insult those who follow the technology of scientology. Like
Marty Rathbun. He, others, moi, are freezoners.

I suggest they go to some islamic forums and insult islam and leave their address!

There are four heroes, putting themselves in danger to make the world a safer place for scientologists and ex scientologists.

Kudos and salutations. :)

I respectfully disagree. In my opinion Rinder and Rathbun are low life weasels.

They kept quiet since they were out for their own self-preservation.
Now they are speaking out for their own self-preservation.

They do not appear to be doing anything from a sense of conscience, only their own self-interest, just like they did when they worked hand in hand with Miscavige.

So long as they had something to gain they stood by Miscavige and helped him ruin people's lives.

They are like those Nazi and SS officers who after the war claimed they never liked Hitler.

I'm glad that what they say now in their own self-interest will help undo the Church, but to trust them and call them heroes when they were the executioners is an insult to those they harmed.

The paper made a good analogy, calling them Erhlichmann and Halderman. That's the kind of slimeballs they are.

The Anabaptist Jacques
 

Zinjifar

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I'll be interested to see whether Marty and Mike get into squabbles about *whose* revisionist version gets the most play. So Marty is 'first out of the gate'. Mike's turn tomorrow?

Zinj
 

DCAnon

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I think it takes a really strong person to step forward, admit they were wrong, and look for solutions to fix it. Facing consequences is hard. There's a lot of things I don't know about this situation, but I am very interested in hearing what they have to say.
 

Terril park

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I respectfully disagree. In my opinion Rinder and Rathbun are low life weasels.[snip]

This is perhaps the greatest crime of organised scientology. How
many here from there stories could this be said about?

The greatest sin there is, is making another guilty of an overt. A COS
prime directive.

"Let he who hath no sin cast the first stone. "

Those who cannot forgive, and acknowledge the wisdom of the above statement are part of some problem.

This is relevant to scientology but has ramifications to all of life.

We should celebrate our common humanity.
 

nexus100

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I agree 100% with the asshole. I have no sympathy for either of them.

By that I mean there is no reason to believe either of them would operate differently if circumstances were the same as before. No reason to think that they have changed perspectives or are willing to offer up honest viewpoints. There is reason to believe their support of the attack on the COS is the safest route for both of them.

I think it is at best disingenuous to play the commendation card, an odiferous relic of Hubbardism, in support of auditors whose methodology has been so, so much the opposite of what spiritual freedom is supposed to create.

As I quoted earlier, politics makes for strange bedfellows.
 
Contrary facts.

Not really, I really couldn't care less what you believe, I might not agree with it, but I really don't care. And as far as Hubbard goes, you are free to believe what you want, but that is not going to change my opinion of the man or stating my opinion.Just as you can consider me an asshole all you like, you are more than free to do so. I'm not interested in changing your beliefs about that either.
 
This is perhaps the greatest crime of organised scientology. How
many here from there stories could this be said about?

The greatest sin there is, is making another guilty of an overt. A COS
prime directive.

"Let he who hath no sin cast the first stone. "

Those who cannot forgive, and acknowledge the wisdom of the above statement are part of some problem.

This is relevant to scientology but has ramifications to all of life.

We should celebrate our common humanity.

Okay, I'll celebrate my common humanity with them--I'm a low-life weasel too.

Seriously, I will not become an apologists for them and an apologist for what they did because now it is in their own selfish interests for them to say what we all want to hear.

They kept quiet for too long, and they did too much harm.

I want to see justice, and what they are saying may bring about justice, but I don't believe they are motivated by justice but by the same arrogant, elitist, fascistic views that has been their operating basis for the last quarter century.

The Anabaptist Jacques
 

Div6

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I think it is a bit of a PR problem to commend some one for doing something they should have done all along. Being honest and straight should not be commended, as it should be EXPECTED.

While I too am giddy at what the prospect of these disclosures could mean vis-a-vis laying Lisa McPhereson to rest (finally), I am of the opinion that all should be held accountable for the consequences of their actions or inactions, as the case may be. This isn't some "danger condition" handling...it is a justice matter. And I for one would like to see some true justice done for once.

If anyone should be commended at this point, I think it is the SPTimes. This is Pulitzer Prize material, and I think it is evenly presented.

my .02


ymmv
 

HolyCow

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What about the Xenu tech, the OT3 invisible Body Thetans, the DC9's, 75 million years ago, where did that "tech" come from? (scientology wasn't it, still being shysted by the FZ. For money?)

Nah, nothing that fabulously fancy and fantastically expensive. I'm simply talking about real basic, common sense stuff, really. Take "study tech" for example. I was raised in Catholic schools that used dictionaries, and used creative techniques of applying what you learned (much better than dinky demo kits). Had no idea how bad some public school systems had become in 21st century in U.S. until I applied for some community college courses.

I was appalled, really and truly. Then I learned that a) many students had been going through school drugged, one way or another and b) teaching methods were by rote "memorization".

as far as upper level "tech", taken from Crowley black majic and sci-fi writers like Heinlein, and Azimov, maybe.

The thing of it is, CornPie, it's just no that black and white. People have had genuine improvement in their life, and just because it happened in the midst of a hoax, doesn't mean you or anyone else can say they didn't experience it.

Talking to someone who you trust about a problem, or going to a music concert, or falling in love, or many things can help someone. And if those things happened while you were involved with something that didn't help, well, that might confuse the issue.

Hey, there comes a time when you have to decide who is holding reins of your life, but if it's someone else, you gotta know you can take them back. And then move on.
 

Terril park

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I agree 100% with the asshole. I have no sympathy for either of them.

By that I mean there is no reason to believe either of them would operate differently if circumstances were the same as before. No reason to think that they have changed perspectives or are willing to offer up honest viewpoints. There is reason to believe their support of the attack on the COS is the safest route for both of them.

I think it is at best disingenuous to play the commendation card, an odiferous relic of Hubbardism, in support of auditors whose methodology has been so, so much the opposite of what spiritual freedom is supposed to create.

As I quoted earlier, politics makes for strange bedfellows.

Yes using the term commendation may not have been the best way to communicate. I've lived with that term for decades, and it is a standard english word, not specialised jargon.

Perhaps I could make a plea to retake the english language.

Perhaps I could have headed the post " Salutations".

However you are really nit picking. I say retake our language. :)
 

nexus100

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Yes using the term commendation may not have been the best way to communicate. I've lived with that term for decades, and it is a standard english word, not specialised jargon.

Perhaps I could make a plea to retake the english language.

Perhaps I could have headed the post " Salutations".

However you are really nit picking. I say retake our language. :)

Merciful heavens.
 
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