Concerning the Ethiers and Blackmail

Emma

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Not some people, one person, you Diana, are the source of this issue with her kid. YOU. She is wrong targeting Emma. Emma hosts the forum not what others post here. Since Diana has disagreed to take down her slander on this kid, Emma has become the next target.

I have already provided the links once.

No I do not care to inherit new enemies because of this conflict. I am not the source of it. I tried with good intentions to fix it. I was not able to. I have stated my thoughts.

Anyway, publishing work sheets is wrong. Threatening to do so is very wrong.
I am seeing a lot of injustice and wronging in a lot of arenas. Two wrongs do not a make a right. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

I know the Ms. Pierre is very enturbulated about her son being fair gamed on a forum and thinking his friends in school will be reading about it and hazing him. She is not a Scientologist and either is he. Fair gaming seems to be contagious.

There is some black magic floating that seems to transform people into destructive measures they ordinarily might not become. I think the purpose of ethics for me has been to keep myself on the high road so the black magic does not engulf me entirely. Once you dabble in it, even when you want to step away some of it sticks to your foot. I know that sounds very "old religion" but it has some merit if you look long enough.

The sources of many of these conflicts remain hidden while others wound another. For whatever it means, I will send my views to Pierre's wife to encourage her to be a different person in trying to resolve this concern with regards to her child. Killing one another off we all loose.

We all have a common decency that bought us towards another in an attempt to reconcile conflict internally and outwards as well. This bright magic is what keeps us alive as an Earth people.

For the record, I have thoroughly checked this site for mentions of the Ethier boy, and can find nothing that slanders him or even NAMES him. The only instance of this boy being named on the internet is here:

http://www.ontla.on.ca/committee-proceedings/transcripts/files_html/2005-12-05_SP001.htm

Sure, Mary tells of him being shipped to Bulgaria for treatment after his father supposedly "cured" him, but this is not a lie nor a slander on the boy. It is true. If The Ethiers can't live with that they shouldn't have put it on the internet like they did here:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060531170226/http://www.fixcas.com/parody/Ethier.pdf

I am happy to take responsibility for and remove anything that harms this child, but that does not extend to the mother or father whom I believe are both destructive people who do destructive things to others and then try to have the evidence of those destructive acts removed by threats of blackmail.
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
For the record, I have thoroughly checked this site for mentions of the Ethier boy, and can find nothing that slanders him or even NAMES him. The only instance of this boy being named on the internet is here:

http://www.ontla.on.ca/committee-proceedings/transcripts/files_html/2005-12-05_SP001.htm

Sure, Mary tells of him being shipped to Bulgaria for treatment after his father supposedly "cured" him, but this is not a lie nor a slander on the boy. It is true. If The Ethiers can't live with that they shouldn't have put it on the internet like they did here:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060531170226/http://www.fixcas.com/parody/Ethier.pdf

I am happy to take responsibility for and remove anything that harms this child, but that does not extend to the mother or father whom I believe are both destructive people who do destructive things to others and then try to have the evidence of those destructive acts removed by threats of blackmail.

Exactly.
 
thanks for the link Emma


it took me awhile to find the quote. Here it is:


Ms. E<deleted> Et<deleted>: Honourable members of the standing committee on social policy, ladies and gentlemen, I want to dedicate this presentation to two very special people: One is Jeffrey Baldwin, who died in Toronto from starvation at age five, and it's our shame to allow this to happen. The other one is my son <deleted>, who is 10 years old and autistic, and who was forced to move to Europe due to the lack of services for autistic children above age six.

My name is E<deleted> E<deleted>. I'm a systems integration specialist. I'm a professional engineer in professional practice. I hold two masters degrees and a Ph.D. I specialize in business systems, management, governance, and auditing and compliance, including legal compliance, and I do, in day-to-day practice, take responsibility for your safety. I assure that safety defects in systems are less than eight defects in a million. On the other hand, I'm the mom of an autistic child.

The reason I wanted to talk to you today is the proposed changes in section 68 of the Child and Family Services Act. The current state of the Child and Family Services Act, section 68, is as follows: It is addressing complaints; more specifically, customer complaints. It allows the ministry to capture problems with the director's review process. It allows the minister to remedy the problems with recommendations, directives and even management takeover under section 22 of the Child and Family Services Act. In addition to that, in subsection 68(1), there is a self-created CAS complaint process that creates a double standard within the province and prevents the public from complaining to the ministry.

The most important processes that regulate a business system are a customer complaint process, a corrective action process, a preventive action process, and audits as a natural flow out of the complaints.

The CAS self-made complaint processes: Currently, some complaints with the CAS are verbal to prevent the opportunity for audits. Complaints are not tracked and captured in any way. No corrective actions are taken upon complaints. The attitude is usually that the CAS worker is always right. Those complaint processes are deliberately preventing the public from complaining.

The ministry director's review process is poorly defined with a general guideline, opens opportunities for a double standard, and does not comply with privacy laws. It doesn't work, because of the ministry's maladministration. The legislature currently is making decisions based on false statistical data provided by the CAS. There is no process to assure the accuracy of information.

The proposed changes to section 68, and more specifically the removal of the director's review process, will prevent the ministry from capturing the problems. This will increase the severity of maladministration in the child protection system and will prevent the children in care from seeking a remedy. This will negatively affect the children with disabilities and their families seeking special services agreements. This will cripple the Child and Family Services Act and make it more dysfunctional. It is the legislators' duty to protect the public and prevent opportunities for maladministration.

What needs to be done to protect the public? Make the CAS complaint process an opportunity but not a requirement. Keep the complaint in front of the board of directors an opportunity, but well define that this is not a requirement. Redefine the director's review process as a core process to capture problems within the system and trigger mandatory case process audits followed by corrective and preventive actions. This will have the positive effect of increasing the efficiency of the child protection system. The minister might say, "Too many complaints." Then there is something wrong with the system, and it has to be fixed.

This is a picture of my son and myself before he left Canada in 2004. He now lives in Europe. We tried to complain to a number of government agencies. I even tried to make an appointment with Ms. Julia Munro. We faced a brick wall. I started my complaint process in 2003. I'm currently in the director's review process stage. It took me two years to get to the director's review. The only thing I wanted was simply to have a case process audit, because the information in my file is falsified. What happens currently is that the director, in my opinion, is not familiar with the provincial standards, and specifically, eligibility for services and risk assessment. The only thing I wanted was my case file to be matched against the provincial standard.

I wish to thank you for your time.
 
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having read Mrs. Pierre's credentials, it, was quite shocking. Something obviously happened to her. She didn't get those degrees being a nut case. This is a tragedy we are looking at.
 

Terril park

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I am happy to take responsibility for and remove anything that harms this child, but that does not extend to the mother or father whom I believe are both destructive people who do destructive things to others and then try to have the evidence of those destructive acts removed by threats of blackmail.

Yet I again I have to praise your sanity and composure.

You don't deserve to be put in the middle of such quarrels.
 

SomeGuy

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Yet I again I have to praise your sanity and composure.

You don't deserve to be put in the middle of such quarrels.

I think some one trying to "blackmail" your husband might make this a bit of an understatement. I'd be fucking livid if some one pulled this on me.

I'm glad Emma and Tansy are letting light shine on this. Another shining example of what scientology and auditing, and I'm not buying the "she's not a scientologists" bit for a moment, does to to peoples minds.
 

Terril park

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having read Mrs. Pierre's credentials, it, was quite shocking. Something obviously happened to her. She didn't get those degrees being a nut case. This is a tragedy we are looking at.

She got caught up in FZ wars that were nothing to do with her. Was a big mistake on her part.

However many will try to defend a partner and get very involved when a child is concerned. Survival along dynamics?

She's in over her head, and dosn't know how to operate in the area she is in and lashed out in the only way she knew how. And in other really stupid ways which I believe will haunt her forever.

She even alienated me with her bad english posts. and I used to like her.
But I then ignored her. Until she apologized to Emma.

She is working very hard in a very important scientific area for the benefit of society.

The world is made up of many doing many things. That one who is expert in
certain areas is at a loss in others involving certain human interaction is
really nothing new.

We should cherish those who help make existence better in whatever way.

Ekaterina does, but fucked up in other areas.

There but for the grace of God....
 

AnonyMary

Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
For the record, I have thoroughly checked this site for mentions of the Ethier boy, and can find nothing that slanders him or even NAMES him. The only instance of this boy being named on the internet is here:

http://www.ontla.on.ca/committee-proceedings/transcripts/files_html/2005-12-05_SP001.htm

Sure, Mary tells of him being shipped to Bulgaria for treatment after his father supposedly "cured" him, but this is not a lie nor a slander on the boy. It is true. If The Ethiers can't live with that they shouldn't have put it on the internet like they did here:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060531170226/http://www.fixcas.com/parody/Ethier.pdf

I am happy to take responsibility for and remove anything that harms this child, but that does not extend to the mother or father whom I believe are both destructive people who do destructive things to others and then try to have the evidence of those destructive acts removed by threats of blackmail.

Thank you, Emma. FYI:

She deleted her posts on that thread at ARS.

"Voltaire's Child" [email protected]

So, I deleted all but one of mine. Kept the ISP info in case someone else needs to know who she is when she posts with that nic, which is still up.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt....7?hl=en&scoring=d&q=(Ekaterina+Ethier).&fwc=1
 

AnonyMary

Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
Is it really necessary to name the child here after all the drama about it?

Paul

Thank you, Paul.

I also I think reposting stuff like that is like pouring salt into a wound. She deleted the posts on ARS and in keeping my promise if she did so, I have deleted mine over there that contained the links to that article and the pdf of the child.

Do delete the name, Carmelo.
 
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AnonyMary

Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
How on earth do you delete posts to ARS? I thought this was impossible.

If you look at an ARS post at Google groups, you will see the poster's nic and to the far right of a nic, there is an options function. When I am signed in, & when clicking the options hyperlink, I see an additional choice on a post of mine, different from readers of it, which is to permanently remove that post. Someone explained to me how to do that a long time ago but I rarely if ever did that. I just remembered that it could be done if needed.

Keep in mind that if another replies to your post and does not delete the comment they are replying to from their post, the original is embedded into the reply. You would have no control over that unless you got the original person who wrote it to delete their full post. There is no edit function there.

I signed up originally for ARS at Google Groups. I didn't know anything about usenet or such at the time. You register there and sign in using email address and password. Not sure you can do the the same with Outlook Express, which I never use.

At Google, you have a profile and your posts and listed individually by date, as well as found by month and year. ( supposedly all of them are there but sisnce Scn got it's hooks in the place, many strange things occurred with the archive of all posts there and I believe it was done to make it hard to find posts. They don't even come up on main google search like they used to.)

Looks like Mrs.Pierre may have signed up for ARS there as well, as she has a profile ( with that minor girl photo :whistling: now removed, thank God) and deleted those particular comments. I could be wrong about her just using google groups. They could have been deleted using another site that hosts ARS.

Hope this helps.
 

Emma

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A couple of things here I don't quite understand, or seem contradictory to me.

1. If Ekaterina Ethier has now removed posts from ARS, is this not an admittance that she wrote them in the first place - something that she has denied for years?

2. If she has such a language barrier, how is it that she is able to make public presentations on Six Sigma. See below for an example:

http://www.asqtoronto.org/en/Events_Presentation_80.html

Mini Clinic - Lean Fundamentals Oct 13, 2010

Presented by Catherine Ethier , P. Eng. MSME

C. Ethier was responsible for managing the Quality Management Program and the Six Sigma Lean Projects at a Fortune 500 company, where she received the Key Contributor Award for performance excellence. Catherine was trained by SHINGIJUTSU on the practical application of the Toyota Production System(TPS).

Lean Production System (based on TPS- Toyota Production System) is driven by the five lean principles:

Value -- Understanding the value of the work we perform by defining it as something that our customers want to pay for.

Value Chain -- Mapping the process steps that we perform throughout the supply chain by identifying the steps that add value and striving to eliminate those that add waste.

Pull -- Eliminating the primary sources of waste -- overproduction -- by only producing what customers want, when they want it. This means starting production only when the customer "pulls."

Flow -- Removing other major sources of waste -- bloated inventory and

waiting -- by ensuring that goods flow continuously through the supply chainand never stop. Kaizen/Continuous Improvement -- Striving for the total elimination of waste through a succession of small, action-oriented (kaizen) events within the production process

A youtube link:

http://www.youtube.com/user/CathEthier?feature=mhum#p/u/0/Qobl9jODtnk

As far as her "apologising" these are her last two emails to me:

I have no time to deal with your board now , have not send anything to Ian Sterling but if you can pass it on will be great.

I do not live with Pierre for 2 years now and could not care about your scientology crap. I will be doing a public service to provide what ALL information in public so Edward Berwick can purge the “group engram .”.. the very same way Edward Berwick did with Aida’s PC-s in England providing their sexual history all over the internet..... That being said I am certain that Michelle will appreciate me more

This will make everyone HAPPY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Love,

E.

and then the "Apology"

Dear Michelle Butcher- Sterling,

I want to apologize for my acting out.

I sincerely hope that this will end the attacks to my child.

Kind regards,

Ekaterina Ethier

Where is the apology to Ian? Where is the admittance that she actually doesn't have access to the worksheets?

In fact where are "the attacks" on her child?

She has been attacked here, there is no denying that. But not her kid. Her child has been mentioned here as a victim but nothing else.

A few days ago, she sent me an email out of the blue with just a link to a wedding photo I have posted somewhere. Did she think this was going to intimidate me?

I dunno - lots of unanswered questions. Not sure how this chick works except that I believe she plays up the "language difficulty" to her advantage. If you google search her she seems to do just fine in her business.
 
I just happened to save a previous post that I think was from Mrs. Pierre, though the ownership of the e mail address belonged to Pierre.

On 9/18/08
[email protected] wrote to Freezone Friends @Yahoo Groups,and
[email protected], in particular, the title of the thread is "Peace
in the Freezone":


> >
> > Re: Peace in the Freezone- Clear up your MU-s
> first
> >
> > Don't think you will get that easy on that one and
> go
> > look up the
> > word "slander". Go clear your MU-s, I can not
> > slander
> > you in writing.
> > But true that you slandered me around and all your
> > friends made
> > written admission though my investigation.
> >
> > Guess what, it is easy to put a lean on a property
> for
> > unpaid debts.
> >
> > You have not even seen what is posting on EVERY
> board
> > or a mail bomb.
> >
> >
> > Take a grip woman! I can be your worse nightmare.
> >
> >
> > Your Ethics Officer
>

end quote******

Ultrel @yahoo.com has since asked to have all posts identifying him to
be taken down.

His name is Pierre Ethier. He lives in Toronto, Canada
 

AnonyMary

Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
Emma, see my replies in red bold

A couple of things here I don't quite understand, or seem contradictory to me.

1. If Ekaterina Ethier has now removed posts from ARS, is this not an admittance that she wrote them in the first place - something that she has denied for years?

She never publicly denied it was her posting with that nic after she got caught. To my knowledge, she never used it again after that. She only deleted the ones in that thread. I gave you her profile link in a previous post here. It's still up with many posts. Not sure if she deleted anything elsewhere on ARS in regards to you, Ian or Claire or Diana

2. If she has such a language barrier, how is it that she is able to make public presentations on Six Sigma. See below for an example:

http://www.asqtoronto.org/en/Events_Presentation_80.html
Keep in mnd that this is what Terril stated about the language issue. http://forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=560506&postcount=134 She never said that publicly.

As far as her "apologising" these are her last two emails to me:

I never saw anything about that. Best for Diana and Carmelo to reply

and then the "Apology"

I believe that Terril got her to write this, based upon what she told him her upset was. Frankly, it was Oracle who was upset about the child being mentioned ( and never providing links to substanciate that there were 'terrible posts on ESMB' about the child

Where is the apology to Ian? Where is the admittance that she actually doesn't have access to the worksheets?

Terril posted earlier, in the Pierre Ethier Class XII Auditor thread, that she told him she had no access to the worksheets.
"Just spoke to her. She hasn't access to folder data. making it up." http://forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=560506&postcount=134 I saw nothing of an apology to Ian.


In fact where are "the attacks" on her child?

No Attacks, per se. Just communication about him that would cause him problems with classmates if read by them. http://forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=560506&postcount=134 I mentioned on ESMB about CPS problem and Diana mentioned the reason for CPS (a common autism related problem they struggeled with as parents, which I won't mention here)

She has been attacked here, there is no denying that. But not her kid. Her child has been mentioned here as a victim but nothing else.

Some comments were made about her that reflected on her as his parent. This may be what she is complaining about.

A few days ago, she sent me an email out of the blue with just a link to a wedding photo I have posted somewhere. Did she think this was going to intimidate me?

I think she was saying she wanted it removed with other things asked for previously, since it is her/his photo.

I dunno - lots of unanswered questions. Not sure how this chick works except that I believe she plays up the "language difficulty" to her advantage. If you google search her she seems to do just fine in her business.

as I said, Terril is the one who states that there is a language difficulty. I don't recall that being an issue for her.Terril also posted this earlier on this thread to Claire:
I believe its very unlikely that Pierre has interacted with you. I don't know why Ekaterina targeted you in the first place. He may or may not have known of some of Ekaterina's posts attacking you or using your name. I don't know.

Ekaterina just sent me a post and said I could forward the data. She says she hasn't lived with Pierre for 2 years. And strong implication that she is an anti scientologist.

I have no idea if this is true. However she is doing the best to destroy his
occupation and client base. The anti scn bit seems valid.

I would ask Terril on all the above, and also suggest that at this point, you email her these unanswered questions directly. Keep in mind that what is good is that she deleted the ARS posts on that thread. Not sure if she deleted all of the onces using Claire's Voltaire's Child posts on ARS but the ones attacking me on that one thread are gone, as well as all posing as Claire using her nic.

I deleted mine on that ARS thread because she deleted those attacking me, Claire and Diana there. Her first upset was anything said about her and her family. The issue of the child being her main concern came up later, if you recall. I did what I said I would do on ARS, along with any here that were might seem like an attack on the child - since that was her final stated concern according to latest communications you and Terrill had with her. However, I did not find any on ESMB that would hurt the child.

The Oracle posted much about the child being an issue. I think that came across as being Mrs. Pierre's prime upset. Terril's posts seem to confirm that.
 

AnonyMary

Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
I just happened to save a previous post that I think was from Mrs. Pierre, though the ownership of the e mail address belonged to Pierre.

On 9/18/08
[email protected] wrote to Freezone Friends @Yahoo Groups,and
[email protected], in particular, the title of the thread is "Peace
in the Freezone":


> >
> > Re: Peace in the Freezone- Clear up your MU-s
> first
> >
> > Don't think you will get that easy on that one and
> go
> > look up the
> > word "slander". Go clear your MU-s, I can not
> > slander
> > you in writing.
> > But true that you slandered me around and all your
> > friends made
> > written admission though my investigation.
> >
> > Guess what, it is easy to put a lean on a property
> for
> > unpaid debts.
> >
> > You have not even seen what is posting on EVERY
> board
> > or a mail bomb.
> >
> >
> > Take a grip woman! I can be your worse nightmare.
> >
> >
> > Your Ethics Officer
>

end quote******

Ultrel @yahoo.com has since asked to have all posts identifying him to
be taken down.

His name is Pierre Ethier. He lives in Toronto, Canada

Scroll down to the last comment on this page and you will see that Catherine is or was the user of that email address
http://jeffreyslawnow.blogspot.com/2005/11/three-step-proposal-jeffreys-law.html

She has or had access to his videos, his website and that email address. The email you posted sound like her ARS posts.
 
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AnonyMary

Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
To Carmelo and Terril:

having read Mrs. Pierre's credentials, it, was quite shocking. Something obviously happened to her. She didn't get those degrees being a nut case. This is a tragedy we are looking at.
Indeed...

I think some one trying to "blackmail" your husband might make this a bit of an understatement. I'd be fucking livid if some one pulled this on me.

I'm glad Emma and Tansy are letting light shine on this. Another shining example of what scientology and auditing, and I'm not buying the "she's not a scientologists" bit for a moment, does to to peoples minds.

:thumbsup:

Tnks, Carmelo, for deleting the name:
fixed, that was stupid on my part.
You made up for it with the Bogart clip, lol

it took me awhile to find the quote. Here it is:...

Here is the link, where additional info in that transcript can be seen a bit further down:

"The Chair: We have about four minutes left. I will start with the opposition. Mr. Arnott and Ms. Munro, one minute, please.

Mr. Arnott: I want to thank you very much for your presentation this afternoon. I think your input is going to be very helpful to this committee as we continue our deliberations on this important piece of legislation, so thank you very much for your input.

Ms. Ethier: You're welcome.

The Chair: Mr. Hampton.

Mr. Hampton: I wanted to ask you about the autism issue. Where's your son now?

Ms. Ethier: My son is in Bulgaria since 2004. I'm flying on Wednesday to spend Christmas with him. Otherwise, I work here in Ontario. My husband is working for a major financial institution. He's a CISSP as well.

The Chair: Thank you very much. I'll move on to Mrs. Jeffrey. One minute, please.

Mrs. Jeffrey: Thank you very much for coming. Clearly, you have concerns with the accountability of children's aid societies because you think it takes too long. I guess my question would be, or my comments are, these are helpful suggestions, because I believe some amendments will be forthcoming. Do you have any other suggestions? You've said it takes too long and that you're not taken seriously -- your complaints.

Ms. Ethier: Well, I have another suggestion. For example, in York, I requested the service of a worker who has English as a second language. There are 200 workers; I was told that none of them have English as a second language. Simply, the cultural issues, the issues of diversity are not considered, and sometimes especially new immigrants are simply the subject of genocide.

The Chair: Thank you, Madame Ethier, for your presentation."


Pierre travels for his outside job, auditing is scheduled around that I believe. Where ever on the earth he is.
 

Emma

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Hi Mary, just one point of clarification...She emailed me a link if one of MY wedding photos, not hers.

Other than that, I think this should just die now.

I don't feel bad about anything written on ESMB about her son. Aida edited some of her posts and I'll leave it up to you you edit any of yours. I'm fine with everything I've written.
 
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