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Concerning the Ethiers and Blackmail

Discussion in 'General Scientology Discussion' started by Tanstaafl, Apr 8, 2011.

  1. Emma

    Emma Con te partirò Administrator

    For the record, I have thoroughly checked this site for mentions of the Ethier boy, and can find nothing that slanders him or even NAMES him. The only instance of this boy being named on the internet is here:

    http://www.ontla.on.ca/committee-proceedings/transcripts/files_html/2005-12-05_SP001.htm

    Sure, Mary tells of him being shipped to Bulgaria for treatment after his father supposedly "cured" him, but this is not a lie nor a slander on the boy. It is true. If The Ethiers can't live with that they shouldn't have put it on the internet like they did here:

    http://web.archive.org/web/20060531170226/http://www.fixcas.com/parody/Ethier.pdf

    I am happy to take responsibility for and remove anything that harms this child, but that does not extend to the mother or father whom I believe are both destructive people who do destructive things to others and then try to have the evidence of those destructive acts removed by threats of blackmail.
     
  2. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    Exactly.
     
  3. CarmeloOrchards

    CarmeloOrchards Crusader

    thanks for the link Emma

    it took me awhile to find the quote. Here it is:


    Ms. E<deleted> Et<deleted>: Honourable members of the standing committee on social policy, ladies and gentlemen, I want to dedicate this presentation to two very special people: One is Jeffrey Baldwin, who died in Toronto from starvation at age five, and it's our shame to allow this to happen. The other one is my son <deleted>, who is 10 years old and autistic, and who was forced to move to Europe due to the lack of services for autistic children above age six.

    My name is E<deleted> E<deleted>. I'm a systems integration specialist. I'm a professional engineer in professional practice. I hold two masters degrees and a Ph.D. I specialize in business systems, management, governance, and auditing and compliance, including legal compliance, and I do, in day-to-day practice, take responsibility for your safety. I assure that safety defects in systems are less than eight defects in a million. On the other hand, I'm the mom of an autistic child.

    The reason I wanted to talk to you today is the proposed changes in section 68 of the Child and Family Services Act. The current state of the Child and Family Services Act, section 68, is as follows: It is addressing complaints; more specifically, customer complaints. It allows the ministry to capture problems with the director's review process. It allows the minister to remedy the problems with recommendations, directives and even management takeover under section 22 of the Child and Family Services Act. In addition to that, in subsection 68(1), there is a self-created CAS complaint process that creates a double standard within the province and prevents the public from complaining to the ministry.

    The most important processes that regulate a business system are a customer complaint process, a corrective action process, a preventive action process, and audits as a natural flow out of the complaints.

    The CAS self-made complaint processes: Currently, some complaints with the CAS are verbal to prevent the opportunity for audits. Complaints are not tracked and captured in any way. No corrective actions are taken upon complaints. The attitude is usually that the CAS worker is always right. Those complaint processes are deliberately preventing the public from complaining.

    The ministry director's review process is poorly defined with a general guideline, opens opportunities for a double standard, and does not comply with privacy laws. It doesn't work, because of the ministry's maladministration. The legislature currently is making decisions based on false statistical data provided by the CAS. There is no process to assure the accuracy of information.

    The proposed changes to section 68, and more specifically the removal of the director's review process, will prevent the ministry from capturing the problems. This will increase the severity of maladministration in the child protection system and will prevent the children in care from seeking a remedy. This will negatively affect the children with disabilities and their families seeking special services agreements. This will cripple the Child and Family Services Act and make it more dysfunctional. It is the legislators' duty to protect the public and prevent opportunities for maladministration.

    What needs to be done to protect the public? Make the CAS complaint process an opportunity but not a requirement. Keep the complaint in front of the board of directors an opportunity, but well define that this is not a requirement. Redefine the director's review process as a core process to capture problems within the system and trigger mandatory case process audits followed by corrective and preventive actions. This will have the positive effect of increasing the efficiency of the child protection system. The minister might say, "Too many complaints." Then there is something wrong with the system, and it has to be fixed.

    This is a picture of my son and myself before he left Canada in 2004. He now lives in Europe. We tried to complain to a number of government agencies. I even tried to make an appointment with Ms. Julia Munro. We faced a brick wall. I started my complaint process in 2003. I'm currently in the director's review process stage. It took me two years to get to the director's review. The only thing I wanted was simply to have a case process audit, because the information in my file is falsified. What happens currently is that the director, in my opinion, is not familiar with the provincial standards, and specifically, eligibility for services and risk assessment. The only thing I wanted was my case file to be matched against the provincial standard.

    I wish to thank you for your time.
     
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2011
  4. CarmeloOrchards

    CarmeloOrchards Crusader

    postscript

    having read Mrs. Pierre's credentials, it, was quite shocking. Something obviously happened to her. She didn't get those degrees being a nut case. This is a tragedy we are looking at.
     
  5. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    Yet I again I have to praise your sanity and composure.

    You don't deserve to be put in the middle of such quarrels.
     
  6. SomeGuy

    SomeGuy Patron Meritorious

    I think some one trying to "blackmail" your husband might make this a bit of an understatement. I'd be fucking livid if some one pulled this on me.

    I'm glad Emma and Tansy are letting light shine on this. Another shining example of what scientology and auditing, and I'm not buying the "she's not a scientologists" bit for a moment, does to to peoples minds.
     
  7. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire


    Is it really necessary to name the child here after all the drama about it?

    Paul
     
  8. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    She got caught up in FZ wars that were nothing to do with her. Was a big mistake on her part.

    However many will try to defend a partner and get very involved when a child is concerned. Survival along dynamics?

    She's in over her head, and dosn't know how to operate in the area she is in and lashed out in the only way she knew how. And in other really stupid ways which I believe will haunt her forever.

    She even alienated me with her bad english posts. and I used to like her.
    But I then ignored her. Until she apologized to Emma.

    She is working very hard in a very important scientific area for the benefit of society.

    The world is made up of many doing many things. That one who is expert in
    certain areas is at a loss in others involving certain human interaction is
    really nothing new.

    We should cherish those who help make existence better in whatever way.

    Ekaterina does, but fucked up in other areas.

    There but for the grace of God....
     
  9. CarmeloOrchards

    CarmeloOrchards Crusader

    fixed, that was stupid on my part. Thank you.
     
  10. AnonyMary

    AnonyMary Formerly Fooled - Finally Free

    Thank you, Emma. FYI:

    She deleted her posts on that thread at ARS.

    "Voltaire's Child" [email protected]

    So, I deleted all but one of mine. Kept the ISP info in case someone else needs to know who she is when she posts with that nic, which is still up.
    http://groups.google.com/group/alt....7?hl=en&scoring=d&q=(Ekaterina+Ethier).&fwc=1
     
  11. AnonyMary

    AnonyMary Formerly Fooled - Finally Free

    Thank you, Paul.

    I also I think reposting stuff like that is like pouring salt into a wound. She deleted the posts on ARS and in keeping my promise if she did so, I have deleted mine over there that contained the links to that article and the pdf of the child.

    Do delete the name, Carmelo.
     
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2011
  12. Emma

    Emma Con te partirò Administrator

    How on earth do you delete posts to ARS? I thought this was impossible.
     
  13. Div6

    Div6 Crusader

    Thank you Ems. You are the best!
     
  14. AnonyMary

    AnonyMary Formerly Fooled - Finally Free

    If you look at an ARS post at Google groups, you will see the poster's nic and to the far right of a nic, there is an options function. When I am signed in, & when clicking the options hyperlink, I see an additional choice on a post of mine, different from readers of it, which is to permanently remove that post. Someone explained to me how to do that a long time ago but I rarely if ever did that. I just remembered that it could be done if needed.

    Keep in mind that if another replies to your post and does not delete the comment they are replying to from their post, the original is embedded into the reply. You would have no control over that unless you got the original person who wrote it to delete their full post. There is no edit function there.

    I signed up originally for ARS at Google Groups. I didn't know anything about usenet or such at the time. You register there and sign in using email address and password. Not sure you can do the the same with Outlook Express, which I never use.

    At Google, you have a profile and your posts and listed individually by date, as well as found by month and year. ( supposedly all of them are there but sisnce Scn got it's hooks in the place, many strange things occurred with the archive of all posts there and I believe it was done to make it hard to find posts. They don't even come up on main google search like they used to.)

    Looks like Mrs.Pierre may have signed up for ARS there as well, as she has a profile ( with that minor girl photo :whistling: now removed, thank God) and deleted those particular comments. I could be wrong about her just using google groups. They could have been deleted using another site that hosts ARS.

    Hope this helps.
     
  15. Emma

    Emma Con te partirò Administrator

    A couple of things here I don't quite understand, or seem contradictory to me.

    1. If Ekaterina Ethier has now removed posts from ARS, is this not an admittance that she wrote them in the first place - something that she has denied for years?

    2. If she has such a language barrier, how is it that she is able to make public presentations on Six Sigma. See below for an example:

    http://www.asqtoronto.org/en/Events_Presentation_80.html

    As far as her "apologising" these are her last two emails to me:

    and then the "Apology"

    Where is the apology to Ian? Where is the admittance that she actually doesn't have access to the worksheets?

    In fact where are "the attacks" on her child?

    She has been attacked here, there is no denying that. But not her kid. Her child has been mentioned here as a victim but nothing else.

    A few days ago, she sent me an email out of the blue with just a link to a wedding photo I have posted somewhere. Did she think this was going to intimidate me?

    I dunno - lots of unanswered questions. Not sure how this chick works except that I believe she plays up the "language difficulty" to her advantage. If you google search her she seems to do just fine in her business.
     
  16. CarmeloOrchards

    CarmeloOrchards Crusader

    I just happened to save a previous post that I think was from Mrs. Pierre, though the ownership of the e mail address belonged to Pierre.

    On 9/18/08
    [email protected] wrote to Freezone Friends @Yahoo Groups,and
    [email protected], in particular, the title of the thread is "Peace
    in the Freezone":


    > >
    > > Re: Peace in the Freezone- Clear up your MU-s
    > first
    > >
    > > Don't think you will get that easy on that one and
    > go
    > > look up the
    > > word "slander". Go clear your MU-s, I can not
    > > slander
    > > you in writing.
    > > But true that you slandered me around and all your
    > > friends made
    > > written admission though my investigation.
    > >
    > > Guess what, it is easy to put a lean on a property
    > for
    > > unpaid debts.
    > >
    > > You have not even seen what is posting on EVERY
    > board
    > > or a mail bomb.
    > >
    > >
    > > Take a grip woman! I can be your worse nightmare.
    > >
    > >
    > > Your Ethics Officer
    >

    end quote******

    Ultrel @yahoo.com has since asked to have all posts identifying him to
    be taken down.

    His name is Pierre Ethier. He lives in Toronto, Canada
     
  17. AnonyMary

    AnonyMary Formerly Fooled - Finally Free

    Emma, see my replies in red bold

    I deleted mine on that ARS thread because she deleted those attacking me, Claire and Diana there. Her first upset was anything said about her and her family. The issue of the child being her main concern came up later, if you recall. I did what I said I would do on ARS, along with any here that were might seem like an attack on the child - since that was her final stated concern according to latest communications you and Terrill had with her. However, I did not find any on ESMB that would hurt the child.

    The Oracle posted much about the child being an issue. I think that came across as being Mrs. Pierre's prime upset. Terril's posts seem to confirm that.
     
  18. AnonyMary

    AnonyMary Formerly Fooled - Finally Free

    Scroll down to the last comment on this page and you will see that Catherine is or was the user of that email address
    http://jeffreyslawnow.blogspot.com/2005/11/three-step-proposal-jeffreys-law.html

    She has or had access to his videos, his website and that email address. The email you posted sound like her ARS posts.
     
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2011
  19. AnonyMary

    AnonyMary Formerly Fooled - Finally Free

    To Carmelo and Terril:

    Indeed...

    :thumbsup:

    Tnks, Carmelo, for deleting the name:
    You made up for it with the Bogart clip, lol

    Here is the link, where additional info in that transcript can be seen a bit further down:

    "The Chair: We have about four minutes left. I will start with the opposition. Mr. Arnott and Ms. Munro, one minute, please.

    Mr. Arnott: I want to thank you very much for your presentation this afternoon. I think your input is going to be very helpful to this committee as we continue our deliberations on this important piece of legislation, so thank you very much for your input.

    Ms. Ethier: You're welcome.

    The Chair: Mr. Hampton.

    Mr. Hampton: I wanted to ask you about the autism issue. Where's your son now?

    Ms. Ethier: My son is in Bulgaria since 2004. I'm flying on Wednesday to spend Christmas with him. Otherwise, I work here in Ontario. My husband is working for a major financial institution. He's a CISSP as well.

    The Chair: Thank you very much. I'll move on to Mrs. Jeffrey. One minute, please.

    Mrs. Jeffrey: Thank you very much for coming. Clearly, you have concerns with the accountability of children's aid societies because you think it takes too long. I guess my question would be, or my comments are, these are helpful suggestions, because I believe some amendments will be forthcoming. Do you have any other suggestions? You've said it takes too long and that you're not taken seriously -- your complaints.

    Ms. Ethier: Well, I have another suggestion. For example, in York, I requested the service of a worker who has English as a second language. There are 200 workers; I was told that none of them have English as a second language. Simply, the cultural issues, the issues of diversity are not considered, and sometimes especially new immigrants are simply the subject of genocide.

    The Chair: Thank you, Madame Ethier, for your presentation."


    Pierre travels for his outside job, auditing is scheduled around that I believe. Where ever on the earth he is.
     
  20. Emma

    Emma Con te partirò Administrator

    Hi Mary, just one point of clarification...She emailed me a link if one of MY wedding photos, not hers.

    Other than that, I think this should just die now.

    I don't feel bad about anything written on ESMB about her son. Aida edited some of her posts and I'll leave it up to you you edit any of yours. I'm fine with everything I've written.