Confession: I had the hots for Jeannie Franks

[MissWog]

Jeez! Y'all are a lot dirtier than I thought Scilons were SUPPOSED to be!
It must have been soooo repressive! Or not?
sometimes I'll see a post about the old days and folks going to an org party drinking and getting laid..but then I read about no sex before married and having to get married for privacy.
How can it be so contradicting? Can public get away with more? Was being on staff in an org as strict as SO?

 

[CO2]

Jeez! Y'all are a lot dirtier than I thought Scilons were SUPPOSED to be!
It must have been soooo repressive! Or not?
sometimes I'll see a post about the old days and folks going to an org party drinking and getting laid..but then I read about no sex before married and having to get married for privacy.
How can it be so contradicting? Can public get away with more? Was being on staff in an org as strict as SO?

It was a matter of date. At some point, when I was long gone, sex was pretty much outlawed. Before that it was the Baby Boomers exercising their (our) hormones under the safety net on no AIDs, and the birth control pill being released in the mid 1960s. Mini skirts, with no underpants and no bra were not unacceptable clothing for female staff.

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

It was a matter of date. At some point, when I was long gone, sex was pretty much outlawed. Before that it was the Baby Boomers exercising their (our) hormones under the safety net on no AIDs, and the birth control pill being released in the mid 1960s. Mini skirts, with no underpants and no bra were not unacceptable clothing for female staff.

The heavy sexual repression was a result of El Ron's latter '70's debilitated state of mind (ref. "Sex and Pain" HCOB) and the advent of CMO Children of the Corn as the Senior Command apparatus, with DM emerging as El Ron's ne plus ultra enfant terrible Frankenstein.

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[Auditor's Toad]

The heavy sexual repression was a result of El Ron's latter '70's debilitated state of mind (ref. "Sex and Pain" HCOB) and the advent of CMO Children of the Corn as the Senior Command apparatus, with DM emerging as El Ron's ne plus ultra enfant terrible Frankenstein.

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Yeah, well, when 'Pain & Sex' came out I figured the old boy had gotten too old to get it up & was just trying to be a jerky old man about it.

And, I have had any confusion about Pain or Sex - I knew which was which - no problem.

I have always considered sex a very normal part of my life and there was nothing about it that was an " overt".

Looks like it was over love making that my drift from the cult got a BIG boost !

 

[Gib]

Jeez! Y'all are a lot dirtier than I thought Scilons were SUPPOSED to be!
It must have been soooo repressive! Or not?
sometimes I'll see a post about the old days and folks going to an org party drinking and getting laid..but then I read about no sex before married and having to get married for privacy.
How can it be so contradicting? Can public get away with more? Was being on staff in an org as strict as SO?

Probably what you are picking up is the actual what was keeping scientology working,

the friends, friendships, being part of a group (of friends),

nothing to do with "scientology"

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Probably what you are picking up is the actual what was keeping scientology working,

the friends, friendships, being part of a group (of friends),

nothing to do with "scientology"

Very cool, accurate and articulate, Gib.

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[aegerprimo]

Jeez! Y'all are a lot dirtier than I thought Scilons were SUPPOSED to be!
It must have been soooo repressive! Or not?
sometimes I'll see a post about the old days and folks going to an org party drinking and getting laid..but then I read about no sex before married and having to get married for privacy.
How can it be so contradicting? Can public get away with more? Was being on staff in an org as strict as SO?

That question may open a whole can of worms. Just sayin'.

 

[CO2]

The heavy sexual repression was a result of El Ron's latter '70's debilitated state of mind (ref. "Sex and Pain" HCOB) and the advent of CMO Children of the Corn as the Senior Command apparatus, with DM emerging as El Ron's ne plus ultra enfant terrible Frankenstein.

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[video=youtube;nxxSIX3fmmo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxxSIX3fmmo[/video]

 

[Smurf]

It didn't look like the Keaton house.

Here is a reference with photographs:

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?10103-The-old-days-Aboard-the-Apollo-1973&p=802525&viewfull=1#post802525

845 S. Lake St.
Los Angeles, CA 90057

There's no public record showing the Susana Machado Bernard House and Barn to be Sea Org berthing (since 1960).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susana_Machado_Bernard_House_and_Barn

It was renamed the Casa Libre/Freedom House in 1996. http://casa-libre.org/history

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

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I used to goto the Westlake Theater on Alvarado with my girl friends. I have vivid memories of seeing 2001, a Space Odyessy, MASH, The Man Who Loved Cat Dancing, Little Big Man, etc at that theater. snip.

That was one of my all time favorite movies.

Mimsey

[video=youtube;QwgnDn8ez9g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwgnDn8ez9g[/video]

 

[Auditor's Toad]

Julie was sure enough a Peach! "Bright, bubbly, smart and CUTER than CUTE.

She did a few of my Sec Checks...I'll leave to Y'alls imagination as to one of my WH's she pulled.

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Wow ! The flashback memories of as a PC being hot for my auditor - and as an auditor being hot for my PC and THAT on a co-audit where we switched intensives back & forth. Lordy!

I never ever imagined as an auditor I'd be so hot for a PC that I couldn't see straight and then get that PC and it turn out they were also so hot for me they couldn't see straight either. Wild days !

I'd leave it like this, there are a few spots that I could still find just by the heat coming from those spots.

I got in trouble with women...over and over and over again.

I saw - and still see - no reason to exist without the love of women.

Added : I guess I was by scio standards, weird on sex. I always thought sex was normal, period. Once the goofy policies and " standards " seem to come into existence, uh, as an auditor I would not take masturbation as an overt. My response was always " That's not an overt. I'm llloking for an overt ". Likewise when a stff memeber had sex with their husband/wife it wasn't an overt I'd accept, period.

All this releuctance about sex has always baffled me. I'll always believe that sex between consenting adults there is nothing wrong with - and, yes, be they same or different sex.

 

[Leland]

Some PC's actually thought sex with their spouse was a overt??!! Wow.

i remember my first sec check at AOLA for OT eligibility. Nothing much read on sexual related overts, so the question was reversed by the auditor..... Had I ever withheld sex from another? WoW must have been a rocket read that. Had to get some stuff on that question! Or lfbd.

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

Try doing a touch assist with a boner sometime. It's very tough to keep the old trs in, and damn uncomfortable. Mimsey

 

[Django]

I was on staff briefly at FCDC in 1972 or 1973. Mornings, at the staff meetings, Jeanie Franks would be there in those dark blue stocking and short skirt, legs crossed high, showing plenty of thigh. She'd wiggle her ass around in her seat and try to pull that short skirt down.....but it never worked. I'm sure she liked the attention she got. She had gorgeous long dark hair and some mornings she'd be there with it still wet all nicely combed out. The way she wiggled her bottom around I couldn't help but imagine what an energizer bunny she must have been in bed.

Keep an eye out for her TRO on you.....

 

[Auditor's Toad]

Some PC's actually thought sex with their spouse was a overt??!! Wow.

i remember my first sec check at AOLA for OT eligibility. Nothing much read on sexual related overts, so the question was reversed by the auditor..... Had I ever withheld sex from another? WoW must have been a rocket read that. Had to get some stuff on that question! Or lfbd.

There, at Flag, for a period of time after "Pain & Sex" came out there was this thing among some staff that sex was a harmonic of pain and therefore it was not a good thing. So, the mere "urge" to have sex with ones spouse was a bad thing thus an overt.

Please don't tell me that it is difficult to make sense of insanity. It is. Just seems sane from the middle of it.

 

[AnonKat]

I was never in but Sadie the Scientologists at DC Org just yum

http://files.schuminweb.com/journal/2009/full-size/ideal-org-raid-15.jpg

 

[ClearedSP]

Added : I guess I was by scio standards, weird on sex. I always thought sex was normal, period. Once the goofy policies and " standards " seem to come into existence, uh, as an auditor I would not take masturbation as an overt. My response was always " That's not an overt. I'm llloking for an overt ". Likewise when a stff memeber had sex with their husband/wife it wasn't an overt I'd accept, period.

I remember one time (pre-1978, I'd add) when a friend confided in me that he was about to be in big trouble with the MAA, and probably end up doing lower conditions. Because he'd masturbated. This confused me. I said that I didn't know of a single thing LRH had said about that being an overt, except that it had the potential for being restimulative, in which case one might harm one's own case. I asked him if he felt like he was being restimmed by it, and he emphatically asserted that he was. I rolled my thetan eyeballs at that point, but there was nothing left to be said in that no-win situation, except to wish him luck with the MAA.

I hope he got out before 1979.

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

I remember one time (pre-1978, I'd add) when a friend confided in me that he was about to be in big trouble with the MAA, and probably end up doing lower conditions. Because he'd masturbated. This confused me. I said that I didn't know of a single thing LRH had said about that being an overt, except that it had the potential for being restimulative, in which case one might harm one's own case. I asked him if he felt like he was being restimmed by it, and he emphatically asserted that he was. I rolled my thetan eyeballs at that point, but there was nothing left to be said in that no-win situation, except to wish him luck with the MAA.

I hope he got out before 1979.

One of the most disheartening liability formulas I ever signed was when I was on OT 7 and this guy was getting signatures on a liability petition for masturbation. I felt that had no business being on public lines, it was degrading and humiliating. I didn't care what the guy did to "make up the damage", even the stupid "I looked to see if the briefcases were locked in the storage cubbies behind the double doors" would have been too much. I was (and still am) upset that the MAA would allow or assign this kind of crap.

Idiots.

Mimsey

 

[ClearedSP]

One of the most disheartening liability formulas I ever signed was when I was on OT 7 and this guy was getting signatures on a liability petition for masturbation. I felt that had no business being on public lines, it was degrading and humiliating. I didn't care what the guy did to "make up the damage", even the stupid "I looked to see if the briefcases were locked in the storage cubbies behind the double doors" would have been too much. I was (and still am) upset that the MAA would allow or assign this kind of crap.

Idiots.

Mimsey

People have posted a lot about all the shenanigans they were getting into in the late '60s, but I wasn't around for those days, and when I arrived a while later, it seemed like things were getting conflicted and weird, like they had improvised changes ahead of the official ones of '78 and later. For example...

One guy on staff, who was under 18, had earlier been advised by a cop that he could be busted for sleeping with a girl his own age. Now that he was not only a cultie, but staff, that obviously wouldn't do. But nobody in HCO could recall any case of a woman being busted for sleeping with an underage guy, and doubted whether it was even illegal. So from that point forward he slept with adult female staff, and HCO was pleased.

At around the same time, I knew a few women who were offloaded/freeloaded/declared, for being lesbians. This was right before a bunch of antique sex laws were abolished, and though only a couple of dozen lesbians had been arrested in the history of the state, they were deemed to be committing continuous high crimes.

But a course sup with an underage gf was okay, because the gf's parents were both scilons, would not press charges, and could not press charges without committing a suppressive act.

It was weird, conflicted, and seriously fucked up.