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I think I get your point well enough Mick. I just don’t necessarily agree with all of it.
Leaving aside the fact that I was an abject failure at getting others into Scientology, perhaps my heart wasn’t in it? Does it matter that I was part of a suppressive group (for want of a better term)? The fact is, I believed at that time that what I was doing was right and my intentions were to do good. If I were to start judging all my previous actions by what I know now, not what I knew then, I would probably go mad.
In any case, I definitely changed as a result of Scientology. Some good, some bad.
And, perhaps none of it was unique to Scientology, but so what? If I got something positive from it, it was because I was a Scientologist. If someone said “My life has changed because of the teachings of Jesus Christ”. Would you say, “Well that’s not valid because Buddism or some other practice offers something similar”?
I don’t call myself a Scientologist now, but I like think that my time in wasn’t all wasted.
I understand the point about changing - yes we all changed because of our time in Scientology, no doubt about that.
You said in your original reply:
Whether or not I became more ethical is a debatable point, but I do believe that I have become more aware of my actions and the effect they might have on others. There are numerous principles and guidelines that I picked up during my time in the CoS that I find to be of benefit in helping me to live a better life.
and I asked you which ones they were.
AS for the comment "If I got something positive from it, it was because I was a Scientologist." - I am not sure what this means? Does it mean that you would never have gotten that point? Does it mean you only got that point because you were in Scientology? I am interested - I am not trying to score a debate point here, I promise.
Well yeah - we joined Scientology with the best of intentions - is that an excuse? I challenge the concept that people become more "ethical" when they join Scientology. I think the opposite is the case - Scientologists are, by and large, the biggest liars, the least helpful and one of the least ethical groups on the face of the earth.
It is OK with Scientologists to lie outright to non-Scientologists and, indeed, to other Scientologists - just one example. Scientologists stand by and watch families torn aart and do nothing - because they fear losing their own status. When Lisa McPherson lay dying in the Fort Harrison anyone could have called the Paramedics on 911 - not one person did so. I have yet to hear of any Scientologist anywhere stadning u at an event and challenging the speaker.
That you became a better person Axiom is something for you to be proud of and for us to appreciate - but the praise and kudos belong to you (IMHO) not to Scientology.