Defining arbitrary:
Adjective
- Based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.
- (of power or a ruling body) Unrestrained and autocratic in the use of authority.mply
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I do see that I used the wrong term. I should have simply stated that they are labels and left it at that, or said "yes" or, even better, I should have simply left it alone.
I am all for discussing such things, as I have an interest in them.
Just define what you are talking about, otherwise, we can't really talk about anything at all.
What are some of these "states"? How would you describe some of them? You don't even need a label. Call them "state 1", "state 2", and so forth, and simply describe each one.
Okay, I will show you what I mean.
I had this experience, which we can call "state 1".
State 1: Viewing the physical universe from a spot, from a point, looking out and "hearing out" from this point, with 360-degree perception. This occurs with no body, and occurs from what we might call "mind" or "spirit". Or, without using any label, this occurs without the aid of any physical sense, yet "you" are "aware", just as you are when associated with a physical body.
So, does this exist? Can it exist? Can it be brought about consistently in people? How often does any person experience this? Can it be controlled? And, on and on.
It happened to me. I am sure of it. I didn't imagine it. It lasted about 15 seconds or so, and it never happened again. I know of many other people who have done LOADS of Scientology services, who NEVER had this experience.
Now, back to definitions. The term "operating thetan" includes the word "operating". That means, when understood along with a great many other things Hubbard said about the state, that this "awareness" that exists invisibly in MEST, yet that can perceive with all the usual sense types as experienced through a body while placing attention on the physical universe, has the ability to LOCATE ITSELF AT WILL within MEST, and to "look out" from that point.
Obviously, most OTs can't even just be there at the point, and perceive clearly and accurately with similar senses as defined by a body. Much less, then move this point around from here to there, perceiving anywhere it wills. I propose that the IDEA ITSELF is lame. I am not saying that somebody might not be able to do it, sooner or later, somewhere, possibly with great amounts of work, but that when fully looked at from all angles, the ability is meaningless! It would ONLY have value to some bozo trying to get an upper edge at beating others in some game where the others did NOT have the same ability (to roam about and acquire MEST information invisibly).
I want to add something here, that displays the notion of OT itself to be ABSURD (at least without various qualifiers). To perceive the world as we do, with the senses we do, requires a certain relative "size" to everything around us in physical terms. We can't perceive the atomic activity of atoms and molecules because in the form we exist as a body, it is all "too big" in comparison. This "in comparison" is a VITAL ingredient, because it is the RELATIONSHIP that defines what and how you see what you see. In a very real sense, a "thetan" (as an awareness unit without a body with the ability to move about and perceive) would have to sort of mock itself up at the gross level of a human body to have the same sort of relationship with the physical universe as it does in a body.
Otherwise, as certain mystics have described, the thetan could or might instead experience the universe on the smallest resolution of atomic activity, or pull out and pervade the entire physical universe and "feel it" at the zoomed out level of resolution (or at any of the infinite gradations in between).
See, it IS all relative. A thetan would have to do a great deal of drilling to be able to "change its own size or nature", so as to be able to "tune into" different levels of resolution of just this physical universe. We aren't even talking yet about the mental universe, the univrese of imagination, or any of a great many OTHER universes.
I could go on and on about this. But lastly, a "spirit" itself has no component of space or time, yet can supposedly position itself or consider itself to exist in some way within some mock-up of space and time. From the viewpoint of a thetan exterior, the possibilities are infinite and any attention or concern for this one ARBITRARY physical universe would be representative of a sort of "mental illness" (obsession on MEST).
I can see the world and universe, and all the worlds and universes, as a spirit, out of time and space, to some degree, and to a large degree I give no added importance to this one current MEST universe. So also, I have little attention on gaining some ability to exist within it, yet without any of it!!!!!!!!!
For THAT is what the aim to exist "exterior with full perception" involves. One wants to exist in MEST, and to experience (perceive) MEST, yet without the association with a physical body and without any MEST sensory organs. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Plus, it is just a really dumb notion, once you can actually view all of this from the viewpoint of a SPIRIT!
What this involves is mocked up significance. Or as a TROMer might say (I did read a bit), this involves
self-created importances. All values and importances are self-created thingies, and they determine HOW you see and experience the world. You consider some of these important, but from the viewpoint of pure spirit, it involves "just another arbitrary self-created importance".
