If you want to get more hairsplitting about it than that you'll need to get TAJ in on the discussion.
Re that bold line: Sure, our experiences may not be identical, but I have legs and I can walk and you have legs and you can walk; so we can both walk. And while our reality boxes may be different and the experience of walking is not identical yet the fact of us both being able to walk is established.
And as for what you said elsewhere about not considering the experience ( or the state - which was it?) to be particularly valuable - an appreciation of its value can only come once the state of being able to locate oneself in space at will and with 360 degree perception etc is stable and you can interact with others and you can play games in that state and you get to know something of the context of what the being is capable of in that state, etc etc etc . . . . . only then. Will you be able to assess the value of the state.
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And, while the fact of us both walking HAS been established, the fact of stably operating exterior has NOT AT ALL been established.
I am going to try to explain something here, and it is NOT easy to do.
I truly do NOT at all grasp WHY a being would want to be out of the stuff that he wants to play a game within. I mean, being interiorized is being interiorized any way you cut the cake. I don't at all fathom why a person would want to exist out of his head, out of a body, with full perception of MEST from some outside point, with no contact with any MEST means of senses, and yet "play a game" within the stuff of MEST. It is like "going out a little", meaning that you exteriorize from the body, but them you stay totally INTERIORIZED into MEST and all of its (cough) "games". That IS what you are talking about.
By the way I think it is a slap in the face of the Divine to reduce the grand glory of all Creation to Hubbard's lame concept of "playing a game" - this demented view that THAT is ALL that "life is doing". How absurdly simplistic.
So you "operate a body" from a distance. With tractor beams and pressor beams, or by intention alone. You don't use the body senses at all - you perceive using the theta perceptics from outside. So, you will play meat-body games, pushing the body around, while exterior with full perception. I just DON'T GET IT!
Look at all the games across all of the dynamics, and really imagine what this would be like. Don't just vaguely let it cross your mind, but make it real examples. Really think this out please. Eat dinner. Mmm? So I will "taste" the fish using my theta perceptics. I won't have any sensation in my mouth when to swallow, at least not through the body sensory channels, so I will have to do that too using my theta perceptics.
I will read a book. So, I will make the body hold the book, and intend it to flip the pages, while reading using my theta perceptics. Lets move up to the second dynamic - this should be interesting.
No body senses, huh? No sensations of sexual arousal, I mean, unless you want to extract them from the body using a tractor beam. So, I guess no sex at all, right?
The TRUTH is that you will be functioning as if you were operating a DOLL BODY. If you totally disconnect from the body sensory apparatus, and use only the theta perceptics, the physical body becomes for all practical purposes a doll body.
So, what "games" are you going to play in this state? I am curious. You could go bowling with the bowling team. That is a 3rd dynamic. Again, why bother?
So, I suspect it is quite true that ANY thetan who was truly 100% out stably, would have NO INTEREST in playing any MEST games at all. And, that is WHY you will NEVER be able to do it - because as long as you still WANT something from MEST on any dynamic, you will NEVER be able to be stably exterior. They are mutually incompatible. As long as you remain interiorized into MEST in any way, and want to play any game on any dynamic, you will not be able to exist in a stable exterior state.
Wow! I just realized something. I am not usual, in the sense that I never had the usual interests as others, I have always had little interest in MEST materialistic crap, making money, competing and beating others in some game, and so forth. I am also what might be called a hermit or loner. I just don't need human companionship to feel quite okay. I never enjoyed being in ANY 3rd dynamic, other than maybe a pool team, a rock band or small meditation group. So, I have, from the start, not really ever had much of an interest to "be here" actively playing what you would call "games". I liked art, beauty, nature, animals, and creative things. So, maybe THAT had more than a little to do with it.
Hubbard set up a goal that is impossible to be realized. Nice guy, huh? He probably knew that you can't be fully out and be involved (in) at the same time.
Now, you can be
partially out, in the sense of having a wider sense of space, clarity and calmness, and still be involved with some MEST "game".
I want to end with something. Whenever I went really slam-bang exterior, and I did OFTEN, even though not always with exterior perception, I always wanted to GET AWAY from the Org, and DO NOTHING. I went for very long walks. I took long drives in the country. I just wanted to exist and be as a calm disinterested observer. I did NOT want to "be" in any Hubbard sense of "assuming an identity". I was entirely happy assuming NO identity at all. I just wanted to BE - a
nothing, quietly looking out at the world. At my highest and most immense states of this, I did NOT have any interest or desire to play any game. And that was what typified this state more than anything else. NO INTEREST!
I was somewhat above "curious" on the CDEI scale. I could and did look at gorgeous young girls, who previously would have grabbed my attention, and . . . NOTHING. Nothing at all. NO INTEREST! I couldn't even imagine a sexual thought. I was fully OUT. And it was GOOD.
Now, to me that simply meant that I rose above the Tone Scale, that I transcended all games, and truly was existing as a static. It was the ONLY thing of value for me. But, that state CANNOT exist while you are playing a game.
You can't exist in a "no games condition" while existing in a "games condition".
To me I got a taste of what it meant - this idea "static" - the "nothingness" of eastern philosophy. But whenever I would tell anybody about it, at the Org, they would want me to GET BUSY in some game. And, I would, and I would then lose the state.
Now, I live out in the woods. Nobody bothers me to play any games. I am pretty light most of the time.
To play any game you must be "in the game". There is no way around it, though I don't doubt for a moment that you will probably keep trying to get out, yet still play in some game.
The value of such a state, to me, was the experience of self as
nothing - as a
static. But as soon as you get involved in ANY "game", or any reality at all, the aspect of static fades away, because instead of focusing on the creator (static), you are now focusing on the creations of the static.
Anyway, that is how I see it, at this moment. I am trying to make sense of it as much as you are.