Correspondance with an IAS Freedom medal winner

WildKat

Gold Meritorious Patron
Why are Scientologists so threatened by someone disagreeing with them? Could it be because they are terrified of the thought that they might be wrong and have wasted their lives?

Personally, I just pity them - they are deluded and think they are saving the universe but cannot even face the truth or see how sad they appear to others.
Axiom142

You nailed it with this statement:

THEY ARE TERRIFIED OF THE THOUGHT THAT THEY MIGHT BE WRONG AND HAVE WASTED THEIR LIVES

This is why a true kool-aid drinker has to hit ROCK BOTTOM before getting out. Sadly, some don't make it.

They are saddled with these fixed ideas:
LRH is always right
Scientology is saving the planet

There's just no arguing with anyone who is stuck with these ideas.
 

Voltaire's Child

Fool on the Hill
Well, when I was in, I was taught that it was an entheta/counter intention thing. But I think what's behind it is what you guys said. The organization is scared of losing customers.
 

Gadfly

Crusader
Scientologists are indoctrinated heavily into accepting ZERO disagreement.

Any disagreement with Hubbard, the subject of Scientology or the Church of Scientology, within the Church of Scientology, is dealt with severely. This response or reaction to disagreement is built tightly into the philosophy and practice of Scientology itself.

Disagree with anything Hubbard or the Church says? Get word clearing.

Still disagree? Get false data stripping.

Still disagree? Get the "disagreement remedy"! Imagine that? Scientology is the only group anywhere that I know of that has a special "handling" for "disagreeing". "Disagreement" is viewed as an "illness", as a "flaw", as an "outpoint" that needs to be REMEDIED!

Still disagree? Get regged for, pay for and get M1 (to clear up earlier similar misunderstood areas of life).

Still disagree? Get sent to ethics and write up your overts and withholds.

Still disagree? Get regged, pay for, and receive "sec checks".

Still disagree? Get a non-enutrbulation order issued on you.

Still disagree? And you FREELY TALK ABOUT THE DISAGREEMENTS despite the non-enturbulation order, then you get a Comm Ev and declared as a suppressive person.


Scientologists are conditioned by involvement with Scientology to not tolerate disagreement. All disagreement with Hubbard or the Church is viewed as a "problem with YOU". The assumption (fixed idea) is that a sane, intelligent and ethical person will naturally and always AGREE with Hubbard, the ideas of Scientology and the Church of Scientology.

The Church of Scientology is completely INTOLERANT with any member who expresses ANYTHING less than 100% fawning admiration and agreement with Hubbard and the Church of Scientology's policies and behaviors. They are also quite intolerant with ANY critic who questions any aspect of their theories or practices. This "intolerance" is built right into the Scientology "scriptures".

Also, the die-hards are "true believers". Any disagreement is a REAL THREAT for their comfort zone or their "strict belief system" defined by the Scientology paradigm. Most would feel "lost" if they allowed any disagreements with their Scientology-based fixed tiny little box of agreements about all-that-is. Disagreement with their Scientology-based ideas shakes the very foundation of their world and personal universe!
 
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Petey C

Silver Meritorious Patron
Holy crap! That's the first time I've seen Feral's OP and the exchange of letters. I'm stunned at the vitriol and hate that spews from this IAS Freedom Medal Winner in the name of protecting CoS. And full of admiration for the firey way Vickie.

These letters show exactly what the secret face of Scientology is. Thanks for showing the world, Wendy. Let's just hope that whenever you leave Scn (and that day will come) that you have friends to help and support you.
 

lotus

stubborn rebel sheep!
Holy crap! That's the first time I've seen Feral's OP and the exchange of letters. I'm stunned at the vitriol and hate that spews from this IAS Freedom Medal Winner in the name of protecting CoS. And full of admiration for the firey way Vickie.

These letters show exactly what the secret face of Scientology is. Thanks for showing the world, Wendy. Let's just hope that whenever you leave Scn (and that day will come) that you have friends to help and support you.

Same for me
I've been amazed to read the vitriolic on-going attempts to make these people appear they are the ''scu..of the earth''
And this person pretend to ''cure cancer'' - or take care of those people

This person had engaged on a very dammaging path as she thinks she cures cancer with a scam
and then , on the other side , she made all attempts to destroy good people and their family relationship - wich they don't even have a clue of what is a ''family''and a ''relationship'' of caring and sharing. They , infortunately, had been brainwashed to forget simple human things and phemomenons.

True LRH ''humanitarian path''

:confused2:
 
Wow! This obviously mentally ill woman won a medal? Does everyone in the COS belong in an insane asylum? Is this what COB is promoting as ethical and helpful behavior? YIKES!

She never should be allowed to "counsel" anyone, anywhere...period!

As a representative of a putative "church" or "religion", she's a good example of why NO ONE should EVER get involved with the cult of Scientology.

She's clearly a liability to anyone who gets near her.
 

dianaclass8

Silver Meritorious Patron
Hi Feral:

Thanks for sharing this disgraceful behaviour of a "Medal Winner" with us.

It is obvious that she not only she is NOT OT, she is not a spiritual person and on top of that she has lost any common sense decency. These people who are brain washed are de-humanized.

I wish that you share her name, perhaps by reading this thread and the comments, from an exterior as well as enturbulated point of view gives her enough shock to wake her up from whatever state she is in.
 

Panda Termint

Cabal Of One
Hi Feral:

Thanks for sharing this disgraceful behaviour of a "Medal Winner" with us.

It is obvious that she not only she is NOT OT, she is not a spiritual person and on top of that she has lost any common sense decency. These people who are brain washed are de-humanized.

I wish that you share her name, perhaps by reading this thread and the comments, from an exterior as well as enturbulated point of view gives her enough shock to wake her up from whatever state she is in.

Hi, I'm not Feral but note that he's already told us the answer to this question here;

My wife had a delightful conversation with Wendy a couple of years ago.

You can read it here

This was just prior to Wendy starting her campaign for religious tolerance.

The "correspondence" was from Wendy Honnor.
 
god in heaven!

one of the church's bright lights, a freedom medal winner, produces such venom.

well, i suppose we should be grateful the person did at least deign to respond

i do not say this with tongue in cheek. i am christian and am certain the principles of dianetics are very well practicable when applied within the context of the true religious spirit, a concept i suspect this person would view with contempt, the same sort of contempt which held germany within it's thrall seven decades ago

your story began with a dissembling that you know nothing of writing. i do know something of writing and it quickly blossomed into one of the richest deepest and most beautiful poetic images it has ever been my delight to read. true literature of the first water, inspired. indeed a literary brilliance l ron hubbard never matched in any of his published works which i have ever read.

of course such sublime art is wasted on those who produce such craven words as you received. the person is painfully reminiscent of the SS officer who said "whenever i hear someone mention culture i just reach for my revolver"
 
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Gottabrain

Guest
Wow! She needs a TR retread! :p

You're absolutely right, Ems! And she's so fortunate because DM just discovered that ALL TR's were out-tech except Blinkless TRs! If she rushes, she can get on the BRAND NEW IN-TECH TRs Course at Flag and if she's fast flow, it will only take nine months!

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Emma

Con te partirò
Administrator
Bump considering - well - you know :)

A little while ago I sent my story, via e-mail to an IAS freedom medal winner. Now some of you will know/guess how this came to pass and who I am talking about, but let's keep this persons name out of the thread, OK?

So, you all know my story, nothing vicious in it, mostly an account of my 25 years in, let's call it my 'scientology success story' http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=7524

I got the following reply (XXXs is where I edit it to protect identities of ....well everyone! );


START:

Kevin, you are a big wanker. You always were up yourself and I often
wondered over the years if you were an SP because of all the shit and
sadness surrounding your family and friends. The hallmarks of an SP. You had
them. When I saw how your wife and children suffered I knew you were screwed
up. You used to walk around as though you were something.

But you know what Kevin - NO PRODUCTS.

That's you.

No products.

The only reason you ever got any products was because of the good people who
came into your life.

Well its all "down" from here Kevin for you. You are sunk.

Like Judas Iscariot and all the other great wankers of history. You have
joined their ranks. Forever!!

You are an SP.

What did you do today to help another being?

Nothing.

Cos that's you all over. Your modus operandi is to destroy.

And I actually know all about you. And Kevin, one day, everyone will know.

Nothing surer.

ENDS



Now the interesting thing is, my wife, well, she read this and got ... well ...let me just post her 'correction';

STARTS,

Dear XXXX,

I'm very SORRY but YOU don't know what you are talking about !

* Kevin has been a loving and supportive husband over our 22 year marriage. ( The only time we had any trouble was when he was left with out tech, unflat FPRD on solo nots - refer to C/S series 73 RB.)

* He gave up everything except for solo nots for 7 years to deliver a therapy program to our daughter ( I know only a handful of other fathers who did this ). Our daughter has done remarkably well given her initial diagnosis - you don't know anything about her so how could you comment ? And you say you saw our children suffer - but we have only had one child up until recently - so I don't know which children you are referring to.

* He FSMed me onto the Bridge and helped me to get all the way up to and complete OTVII - even when I did not earn any income for the last 10 years as I was a full time carer .

* We are both Patrons of the IAS, Cornerstone members of Superpower, Human Rights Advocates of CCHR, we have donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to Scn projects and have loaned money to dozens of Scientologists to get their next service (of which over $ 150,000 has never been paid back !)

* He has audited me, our daughter, and public when he was on staff and spent thousands of hours helping others through ethics progams and other cylces in the Org.He FSMed a lot of people into the Org and field auditors. He and I were the top FSMs for Flag in NSW.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GET THE IDEA OF NO PRODUCTS !

I DON'T GET HOW YOU THINK I AM SUFFERING FROM HIS BAD TREATMENT - YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ME

Yes we will now be labeled SPs because we want to get a repayment of our unused monies on account - OSA and other terminals are already spreading their black PR , enemy lines and dead agent crap. If we had not of been so generous and had not put so much money on account for the last ten years we would of been able to just drift off as ARCX public - but NO because we want our unused $ 100,000.00 they label us SPs.

And you mention what has he done TODAY to help -well today he went and HELPED a neighbour and last week we had another neighbour and his family stay here all week as their house burnt down in a lightening storm - but perhaps that is Kevin's fault too ???

XXXX - we have walked the whole Bridge and paid over a million bucks and at the top there is nothing much there - sorry to burst your bubble - but there are plenty of OTVII and VIIIs who will back this up - but of course they are all SPs too !!!

Have a nice life !


Vicky.

ENDS



Now our IAS freedom medal winner responded thus;


STARTS;


Dear Vicky

I do know you. Very very well.

The difference between you and me is that I have got the balls to confront and handle whatever comes up as a barrier or an upset to the direction I am going, and the ones I love are going.

And you and your pathetic SP husband and your little gang of whinging weak as piss dickheads, don't.

Vicky you thought that going free was something you just pay for, switch on, then sit back and relax.

Well it's not.

It's something you have to fight for.

Every day.

Not only for yourself but for everybody else out there who doesn't even know they have lived before, or that they have a reactive mind, or what happens when you die.

Anybody on this planet who wants to build a better world, has to fight against the "visciousness of groups and the idiot nature of collective think". In every group there are people who try to stop things with their insane viewpoints, there suppression of good people. 20% of people after all are antisocial like you. They cause all the dev-t, all the out tech, all the "problems" that you had.

You think you had problems!

Even LRH had problems.

But it is a specially selected group that makes it to OT. And you didn't because YOU are weak and selfish. And you have a husband who is an SP and made sure through every action, every word, that you didn't.

WAKE UP VICKY.

The enemy is within the group. LRH even says that. And we have to root them out and keep going.

But you didn't.

You just gave up.

And then became the enemy.

Lightning burned down the house! I am not even slightly surprised.

But that's only the beginning for you and your family. You have tried to cause harm to the only way out for the entire planet.

That is a serious business for you as a being. I would not like to be you for the next few months. Per the laws of karma. You are doomed. Ask any Hindu, Buddhist or Shintoist.

And one day, you are going to have to confront what you did.

What are you going to do to help mankind. Sell hotdogs at Bunnings one Saturday morning to raise money for Cancer research? Go door knocking for old clothes that can be recycled for the poor. That will create a big impact. Just like you thought donating money was enough. Well actually you two did nothing compared to what was needed and you know it. You never got off you butt and actually helped to the level that was needed. AND THAT'S WHY YOU ARE SO ANGRY AT US. Because we have what it takes. The stamina, the balls, the intelligence - TO KEEP GOING.

You and Kevin and your idiot friends - like Carmel - whose only claim to fame is some long forgotten PR campaign that went wrong and she never got over it!!! - you guys are like mosquitoes running alongside a battle ship.

You got onto the internet and fell for it hook line and sinker.

You got sucked into the quick sand.

Because you are weak as piss and this is your swan song.

Poking fun and trying to annoy a bunch of heroes.

Go fly a kite Vickey . You are not an OT's arsehole. You are nothing.

ENDS



Now my dear Mrs. Feral did some more false data correction;


STARTS;

Dear XXXX,

Wow - " Understanding through Communication" - your tag line - well you definitely have a way with words !

But honestly XXXX you DO NOT know me - we never said more than a social hello to each other - you are basing your opinion of me on hearsay and false data.

You say I have no balls or confront - hah sorry love , but you have NO IDEA what balls and confront it takes to get up and through OT VII !!! .( Then there is the level of balls and confront to deliver a full time therapy program to a disabled kid and to get that therapy brought to Aussie so that other families can avail it. But XXXX I don't need your or any other Scios
approval - I have many real commendations, unsolicited from non-scios that I have helped with their kids - truly thanking me for all my efforts )

You say that we just expected to pay our way up the Bridge - NOT TRUE - you have NO IDEA of the contribution level you are required to make to stay on OTVII . Kev and I both stayed on the level - me for 11 years ( until I comped ) and Kev for 15 years ( until he wrote up the out points he had found and sent back his materials in disgust ).

We do not judge if our contributions are worthy enough - the Flag MAA , C/S and RTC do ! So how can you comment on that - are you above them ???

Our contributions were not just bought - and we had to report them every trip to Flag. We did many , many cycles including :

Being on staff in a class V Org - me as an exec and Kev as an auditor
After leaving staff - holding an Org Execs post for a week so she could have school holidays with her kids,
Looking after SO kids so the SO could have SO day,
Babysitting someone who had gone type III,
Painting the Org from 6pm Saturday through till 3am Sunday ( for months) so that no staff production was interrupted ,
Lacquered all the wooden furniture in the Org and building an on policy the Org board,
Using our time and comm lines to source wholesale furniture for the Org,
On OT committee for years,
Set up the NSW Narconon set up Committee and got an ED posted,
Donated materials and furniture to Athena school many times ,
Helped recruit staff for the new ideal org
Handed out letterbox promo for a mission which had collapsed
Organised and sold nearly all the tickets for 3 fundraising events for Org renos
Held numerous events at our house to brief the field about OTVII and Ideal Org
Gave numerous briefings to public about OT VII
Gave up time to be interviewed and featured in many Org promos
Had an off the rails teenager of an OT stay at our farm for over a month and got her through an ethics pgm

XXXX I could go on and on ! In fact I wrote up all my contributions last time I went to Flag - it was 3 pages long .You see my darling, you are getting your information from Cyrus and his OSA friends and they are working overtime to black PR us - they DO NOT HAVE the correct data.

Also please don't make generalities about my friends - a lot of them are not even scientologists - but the rest were all great scientologist. As for Carmel how can you say that about the woman who was a trained auditor and CS of class V org for years and later the ED, power FSM, not to mention what she did for the Athena school and the OT committee
and even had Kha Khan status !!! How can you say that the volcano was her only claim to fame ??? Don't you know the truth behind that one ?

Its funny, but Kev accompanied you to the Drug Free meetings at the Ramanda for weeks whilst you were representing Narconon. He never had anything but nice comments to say about your efforts - he went to back you up so that you
had support in your project. He may have seemed a little strange at that time, as we were just finding out that something was terribly wrong with Courtney - it was a very stressful and unhappy time for us both - perhaps that was what you did not understand. But if you were so adament that he had SP traits, perhaps you should of written up a report on what you observed . Obviously the ethics and tech guys at the Mecca of technical perfection hadn't noticed anything - as he was totally eligible for OT levels.

I know that you "must" now attack us because we are leaving Scientology - LRH says you have to do so and that we must have crimes. So be it - what can I say, in your universe you must be right , I must be an SP and not OT . I think you have not been briefed on why we decided to leave - perhaps if you actually read Kevs story you might know .

If just for one moment you could consider that something might be wrong with the management of the Church -

* Do you know that OTs are getting declared for trying to get KSW applied at Flag ?
I mentioned the out tech to my D of P 6months ago - the data went to the CS - it did not come back with any data to correct me - NOTHING !!! No r- factor saying I have an MU, or another reference applies - NOTHING !!!

* Do you know that several ex International Management have left the Church and are exposing the human rights violations in the SO ?

XXXX perhaps it might be wise love, for you to take a good LOOK and stop listening !!!

We all know that you have worked tirelessly to earn your elig for the auditing side of the Bridge - but honestly you deserve better !

regards, Vicky XXXX
OT VII Completion ( sorry you can't fake that one - the EP check is 2 to 4
ints !!! Though the EP check is not mentioned on the grade chart or in any
of the confidential references on the level !!! )
IAS Patron
Superpower Cornerstone
Human Rights Advocate
ENDS

The responses stopped,I think OSA stopped our IAS freedom medal winner from communicating to us SPs before she formed fatal cracks in her universe.

So this is the top scios handling life, setting a good example and handling confusions and communication with the tech.
 

Emma

Con te partirò
Administrator
Hey Wendy! Got the balls to confront this?

I'd think a lot more highly of you if you do.

We'll be waiting. :eyeroll:
 

Freeminds

Bitter defrocked apostate
Holy fuck.

Or rather, since we're talking Scn here, unholy mindfuck.

I guess we won't be seeing Wendy around here after all...
 

I told you I was trouble

Suspended animation
Holy fuck.

Or rather, since we're talking Scn here, unholy mindfuck.

I guess we won't be seeing Wendy around here after all...


Yep, I re-read that a few days ago when the news broke of her 'resignation' to remind myself of who she is ... but hey, she apparently has "the balls to confront and handle whatever comes up as a barrier or an upset to the direction she is going" ... so I guess we can expect her any moment now.

I can hardly wait.
 

Gadfly

Crusader
Thanks Emma for reminding me how "a real Scientologist" thinks and talks.

It showed me clearly again why I have so LITTLE affinity for any of these types of pretentious, pushy, arrogant and NASTY people.

I never cared for people who "get in your face", but boy do some of these "dedicated Scientologists" get in your face.

I am SO GLAD that I left being around those types of people a long time ago. :thumbsup:

People who are "so certain" (in their delusion) are unable to come to ESMB and communicate honestly and decently.

I remember, when I had been involved with Scientology, that after being near people like that I often felt the need to take a good long shower - as if I might be somehow infected by their moronic over-the-top behavior.

Reading the above copied post it struck me again how NASTY some of these "card-carrying Scientologists" can be in their aim to "apply the tech". Vicky showed decency, honesty and compassion in her comm, but this OTHER ONE, geez, it was all fire & brimstone, attacks, make-wrong, invalidation and intention to overwhlem. YUCK!!!!!! :puke2:

What is going on is horribly simple. Support the Church of Scientology, or at least don't make waves, and everybody will treat you like a best friend. But, cease to support the Church of Scientology and they would just as well bend you over a table and shove a red-hot burning poker up your ass (slowly). The loud assertive arrogance and "hate" in these people are palpable.

But hey, it is hard work clearing a planet! :duh:
 
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BardoThodol

Silver Meritorious Patron
All of this stuff deserves a book. Not just from an individual perspective. A compilation of perspectives, the combined weight focusing on how this church ruined so many lives. First hand accounts. Would make this more real to those not involved. The emphasis not on Hubbard or the CofS but on individuals who became involved and what occurred.
 

Gadfly

Crusader
All of this stuff deserves a book. Not just from an individual perspective. A compilation of perspectives, the combined weight focusing on how this church ruined so many lives. First hand accounts. Would make this more real to those not involved. The emphasis not on Hubbard or the CofS but on individuals who became involved and what occurred.

Great idea! :thumbsup:

Can you imagine?

Twenty Five Lives - Destroyed by Scientology
A Study in Evil

With a full chapter for each example. And, an introduction and end summary that unite the common elements of exact LRH policy and Scientology practices that justify the abuses and harm that occur in each specific case.​
 
That letter reminds me so much of this clip

[video=youtube;0ZrPCNQTx0g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZrPCNQTx0g[/video]

I used to find humor in watching a Scientologist impotently attempting to apply Hubbard's mindfuck on someone not interested in playing the con game of Scientology,

now I just find it sad. At times I actually even feel sorry for those pathetic morons.

They truly have no idea that attempting to apply Hubbard's mindfuck on someone who actually understand the con game of Scientology,

has about as much effect as telling an adult that Santa Claus is going to put coal in their stocking on Christmas
 
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