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Crikey! Senate lends Scientology a helping hand

Discussion in 'Australia & New Zealand' started by skollie, Feb 18, 2010.

  1. skollie

    skollie Silver Meritorious Patron

    From crikey.com

    The Senate lends Scientology a helping hand
    by Bernard Keane

    More at link:

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/02/18/the-senate-lends-scientology-a-helping-hand/
     
  2. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    I really don't see why they consider it inappropriate to have an inquiry on the church. Is that a separation of church and state issue?

    This Lonnie D. Kliever is a Psychologist. Now the church takes expert opinion from Psychologists their sworn enemy.

    Does this kill the Inquiry or just complicate it? And what is Hansard?
     
  3. sallydannce

    sallydannce Gold Meritorious Patron

    To my knowledge, the late Lonnie Kliever was an academic in religious studies.

    More info here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lonnie_D._Kliever

    "Hansard" is a written account/record of the proceedings/speeches made in Parliament in Commonwealth countries (based on English Westminster system).

    Does this kill the inquiry? Not at all.
     
  4. Lohan2008

    Lohan2008 Gold Meritorious Patron

    Hansard

    Named after Thomas Curson Hansard (1776–1833) was the son of the printer Luke Hansard, who began to print the (England) Parliamentary Debates.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hansard#Origins
     
  5. Hatshepsut

    Hatshepsut Crusader

    It is possible that the senate believes these are aging members from a very rich cult who now want to get together and have a class action suit. $$$$$ When money is a suspected motivation they know the lawyers are coaching. Most senators are also lawyers. I don't know if this is the case. But financial motivation is a turn off for most. This won't affect anything though as the cases are so strong. No lying here need be done to convince a judge that there have been human rights violations and that compensation is warranted. This would be no simple 'pain and suffering' suit. It's mammoth though if the C of S is to pay. It should not have stressed its members in the extreme to further its own ego.
     
  6. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    That's an excellent article by Crikey!
    The Senate Privileges Committee, perhaps in fear of haviing the Senate labelled "anti-religion" or some such, allowed the response from the CofS. They should explain unless they've already stated the reason for this. Anyone?
     
  7. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    I'm going by this link here where he states:"I received a Bachelor of Arts magna cum laude in Psychology Divinity cum laude at Union Theological seminary of New York in 1959."

    http://www.theta.com/goodman/kliever1.htm
     
  8. sallydannce

    sallydannce Gold Meritorious Patron

    Personally I don't think the move to appendix the Hansard with a statement from Dunstan is any more than OSA found a procedural method to get a "right of reply" to the Senators Parliamentary (privileged) speech. It was, imo, their (OSAs) only way to "get at him" due to the protection afforded in the debating chamber and the "record" created by the Hansard.

    This link has Dunstan's submission with a report at the beginning of doc from the Chair of Committee of Privileges explaining the procedure the Committee followed. Doesn't mean much to me without doing a crash course on Parliamentary process which I haven't bothered to do.

    http://www.aph.gov.au/Senate/committee/priv_ctte/report_143/report.pdf

    I think this whole thing was just about OSA using the "find the loop-hole tech" to allow some semblance of attack. OSA found it, the Committee of Privileges followed the rule book.

    I could be wrong. I was wrong one other time...:whistling:
     
  9. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    Thanks, I get it. The CofS has had a lot of practise when it comes to finding loopholes in the system.
     
  10. sallydannce

    sallydannce Gold Meritorious Patron

    Thanks for that freethinker.

    If anyone is really bored here is a link to the late Prof. Kliever's assignment report for organised scientology.

    http://www.scientologymyths.info/apostates/docs/kliever_the reliability of apostate testimony.pdf
     
  11. Feral

    Feral Rogue male

    How does it allow the Privileges Committee to become a party in "what attack" on us whistle blowers?

    Can anyone tell me?
     
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  12. scooter

    scooter Gold Meritorious Patron

    This came up on wwp a few (?) weeks ago when this submission was first given OK by the senate committee.

    The cult put two submissions to the senate committee, one being the one that was accepted and a second, much longer (and probably more vitriolic) one was rejected.:p

    There is quite a precendent (from memory there were around 50 previous cases granted by the Committee) for these as it allows those who have been previously "injured" by attacks in parliament to have their side of the story put on the record.

    What the cult got onto Hansard was basically the press releases that the world's media wouldn't print - all the usual stuff about Carmel, Aaron, Feral, me etc. etc..:melodramatic:

    The world's media STILL won't print it as they see it for what it is.:happydance:

    But I'm sure OSA trumpeted it as a "win" of magnitude over the Forces of Darkness when the senate committee allowed their request.:duh:

    If you wish to, you can find and download the cult's "rebuttal" from the Oz Govt site - sorry but I don't do links to dogpoo.:D
     
  13. Petey C

    Petey C Silver Meritorious Patron

    Senate Privileges Ctee allows Scn to respond to Xenophon in Hansard

    <Deletion>

    The Crikey position is quite clear. Pity the Senate's isn't. And as far as the Scientology response goes, what a bunch of pious, misleading, self-congratulatory claptrap. Makes my blood boil.
     
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  14. Carmel

    Carmel Crusader

    I was told that it's pretty standard in this country for groups to ask for and receive a right of reply, and that the CofS didn't get any favours. It's a practice that's long standing.

    Looks like Bernard Keane from Crikey needs to get his facts straight on this one.

    As a comment, I'm looking forward to my "right of reply" during the Inquiry. :coolwink:
     
  15. Once bitten

    Once bitten Patron Meritorious

    Thanks, Carmel. It's all very mysterious.
     
  16. byte301

    byte301 Crusader

  17. HappyGirl

    HappyGirl Gold Meritorious Patron

    Thanks, you guys!!! This thread had me all worried about you Ausketeers! :)
     
  18. Feral

    Feral Rogue male

    Me too, I thought I was going to have to "up" the pressure on them. :)
     
  19. scooter

    scooter Gold Meritorious Patron

    :hysterical:

    Does this mean you would have organized professional 24/7 pickets on them around the country, taken out full page ads in every major daily AND paid for TV spots from the millions you get as "Head of Anonymous?" :whistling:

    Pressure? The poor dears are cracking under what we're doing already - I ALMOST feel sorry for them.:bigcry:
     
  20. Emma

    Emma Con te partirò Administrator

    I wouldn't worry too much about it. Apparently Scoots, Feral, Carmel, Peta, Anna & Dean aren't important anyway. :eyeroll:

    Or any of the hundreds of others that came forward after Senator Xenophon made his speech to parliament.

    Lucky hey!

    http://vimeo.com/9487298