"Crimes" or "wrong doings" within the CofS?

[Voltaire's Child]

The subject was on the table, so I commented. I don't have to have been in the SO to know who Jeffrey Augustine is.

 

[Black Sun]

Ceedia

Some weeks ago now, I heard that these parents were still on lines in Melbourne org.

Thank you for your work of revealing the truth behind the scenes, Ceedia!

One day, and this day will come, all those still defending the church will have a chance to see the lies that poisoned their lives, robbed them of their youth, family, success or health to be sacrificed for nothing but greed for money and power.

Those at the outskirts of scientology may still believe in “accidents” and “mistakes” that happen along the way while working for planetary salvation. But I have seen and experienced the church from top to the bottom and these accidents and mistakes are accidents and mistakes only to the degree that they are not intended to be seen. They are not for the public eye. What emanates from the self-elected heart of scientology, DM, is cold and calculated greed for power and the deepest contempt of everyone else. That he does not see he is doing this, does not change a thing. By the doctrines of his own church a person like this is a suppressive.* I concur.

* Reference:
HCOB 27 SEPT. 1966, THE ANTI-SOCIAL PERSONALITY, THE ANTI-SCIENTOLOGIST:
“Even the anti-social personality, in his warped way, is quite certain that he is acting for the best and commonly sees himself as the only good person around, doing all for the good of everyone—the only flaw in his reasoning being that if one kills everyone else, none are left to be protected from the imagined evils.”

 

[Free to shine]

Thank you for your work of revealing the truth behind the scenes, Ceedia!

One day, and this day will come, all those still defending the church will have a chance to see the lies that poisoned their lives, robbed them of their youth, family, success or health to be sacrificed for nothing but greed for money and power.

Those at the outskirts of scientology may still believe in “accidents” and “mistakes” that happen along the way while working for planetary salvation. But I have seen and experienced the church from top to the bottom and these accidents and mistakes are accidents and mistakes only to the degree that they are not intended to be seen. They are not for the public eye. What emanates from the self-elected heart of scientology, DM, is cold and calculated greed for power and the deepest contempt of everyone else. That he does not see he is doing this, does not change a thing. By the doctrines of his own church a person like this is a suppressive.* I concur.

* Reference:
HCOB 27 SEPT. 1966, THE ANTI-SOCIAL PERSONALITY, THE ANTI-SCIENTOLOGIST:
“Even the anti-social personality, in his warped way, is quite certain that he is acting for the best and commonly sees himself as the only good person around, doing all for the good of everyone—the only flaw in his reasoning being that if one kills everyone else, none are left to be protected from the imagined evils.”

Amen to that.

The scope of the hidden crimes is actually so vast it takes time to assimilate. I know people who have been out for years who are only just starting to get the picture.

Let's keep telling those truths!

 

[Carmel]

Human rights violations at INT!

The following posts have been posted by Black Sun on other threads. Given their content, they also belong here.

I guess I owe you – something for sure. I do not have a ‘story” – Int is not a story. And definitely not my story. It is an essence of all that is wrong with scientology. And one way I thought I could express it, would be by what it is not.

Let me start the “story” of the Int Base vs Human Rights with a kids a booklet on the Declaration of Human Rights produced and donated to the Base by Tom Cruise. It was on exhibit on a nice red velvet covered stand in MCI (the dining hall) and all crew were supposed to stand there and admire diligently how nice it was. And I got this odd idea to read it, because I had some sort of recollection from my pre-scietology life that this declaration was not quite the pattern of the way of life at the Base.

Now since then, as you may also know, a series of 30 videos have been produced there for “Youth for Human Rights International” which is really just another recruitment and self advertising front group of the Church.
So, I thought I would look at these human rights in view of their application at the Base, as you might be interested, and to some of the luckier ones of you, this may be new.

Let’s see for example, the right to privacy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_SlatvGWbA

Now to the application side of the same at the Base: how is this for privacy for the same infamous MCI to have all crew sit there and be presented with the shots of a girl in session at the base HGC and be told to be abhorred by the disgusting behavior of the girl sitting there, and have it be explained to us that she, after of course having horrible withholds and having messed up, and not done her job, and blah and blah, now she has the cheek to sit there feet up on the auditing table. (Good thing that sec checks are not auditing, so of course, no secrecy is required. And a wise thing to set up auditing rooms with video cameras, so you have something to show the crew instead of movies.) At this point of course abhorrence is mandatory, and compliance is instant. A few hundred staff sit there and abhor on command. Much more like Two Minutes of Hate in Orwell’s 1984 than the PSA.

Or how is it for privacy ho have a muster for all crew to be briefed, that is these times, when we all should "trim our sheets” and tighten up and work every minute and more, a couple (by name) dared to have plans to get married. And, oh my god, they had a secret rendezvous in the night under the guise of “burning the midnight oil” working late in the night (meaning after 12 p.m.) one of them pretended to take some people home by car just so THEY can meet and engage in 2D activities. And this, so everyone was told emphatically, is disgustingly non-team. To put the 2nd dynamic ahead of the 3rd. When the 3rd in is danger, and when we have a planet to save. So again, everyone to abhor on command. Then come the details on how the offender messed up on post because of thinking of their beloved one. At a time when the planet is in urgent need of salvaging. Oh, and these are metered interview notes, by the way, thank god we have the tech and these things can be done on a 21st century level now. So then the two offenders get to be avoided like lepers. And breakers of the excommunication agreement are watched for and singled out by the MAAs as having mutual out ruds with them or else why be so friendly? This is how you become a noperson or internal fair game. The rest are now allowed and required to degrade, scream at and torture the offenders in other ways to thereby force them to “reform”.

Nice privacy, is it not? Just please do not let the rest of the world in on this, because they are so uninformed, and so in need of salvaging, that with their unenlightened minds they would not see with the same crystal clarity how right this was.

These are just two examples – we had more along that line. Musters were turned into long and agonizing public degradation sessions, so to list just a fraction of them would fill volumes – I won't even try.

But as there are more human rights that can be violated, there will be more to come.

Good evening/morning/day/ (whichever applies)!
Just when you were about to think you deserve a break, here is the next human right:

We're Always Innocent Till Proven Guilty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MggWG9QpZpM

So here we go on this right in Int Base style:

One day we find out that one of the mildest never-to-hurt-a-thing guy from the Estates branch is sent to the RPF. Not clear why. Does not fully make sense either. But things like that do happen, and hell, it is bad enough outside the RPF to make you forget about it. So time goes by and more time goes by, and one day he is back. Briefing to go with it is that he asked for his assignment to be checked into, and it was found he should never have been sent there in the first place. So does he get an apology or some form of redress? No, but now he may stay and be happy that he does not have to go to pieces in Happy Valley for something he has never done…

Or another much milder one of my own. Smack in the middle of an “evolution” after no sleep for 3 days in a row I was in a meeting with some 15 other staff and execs to work out how the rest was going to roll out. In walks one of the few execs that had the ugly habit of enjoying power and pain and starts screaming right upon entry: You want to know why you are all here trying to make this release happen and work you asses off??? I just found proof that this staff member (points at me) has been sitting on the completed material for a week now!! So THIS is why we are not going to make it!! (Just to get things straight, this sayso was all the proof ever produced on the matter).

My senior looks at me, horrified as it behoves a good on-purpose senior when a productive on-purpose exec says something like that, gets red as a beet and starts yelling: Why did you do that? Now if you are idiot enough after that many years there, like I was, you attempt to answer. But answering is in fact forbidden, it is another crime called backflash to a senior, and so that resulted in a roomful of people chanting BACKFLASH! and the properly horrified senior creaming OUT!!! Five laps! (Meaning now I go run around the block five times and report back when I'm done). Just what I wished to get a chance to do after no sleep for 3 days…

And to make the episode complete: I did have hard evidence to the contrary, but nobody was interested. Filed it with the appropriate authorities and nothing ever happened because the police forces there would never interfere with the “instant justice” administered no matter right or wrong (and just by the nature of the beast, usually wrong).

Incidents of this type may be called various things in other parts of the world… but I doubt there is one place that qualifies them as upholding human rights.

Right to social security…

http://video.google.com/videosearch...=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&lv=0&sourceid=Mozilla-search#

Right to social security…

A term that would require word clearing to full EP for staff within the perimeter of the Gilman Hot Springs* fences.

First there were the olden days with PTS-es. Plain old ethics handling, finding your SP. As a rule of thumb, the SPs are your family, always. They are not someone that invalidates or makes less of you, your goals, etc. And certainly not an on purpose exec that screams and beats you up. It is your family that writes you a letter and asks how you were doing and if you were going to come home this year for Christmas. Because why are they trying to get you to come home? Are they anti-Church? Maybe they are planning to have you deprogrammed while you visit them. I am not kidding, BTW.

In these good old friendly days there used to be an ISO there, and sick people used to be sent to ISO, so as to keep them away from the rest and so the rest could stay in production and not get sick. (That a sick person was weak, and need rest and medicines was never the reason behind sending staff to ISO) One night in these good old days a guy from RTC was brought in to ISO very sick, with high fever, late at night, after 11 for sure. The few Golders who resided there at the time were shocked to see that he stayed on post so long in this condition. He was ordered by the MLO (Medical Liaison Officer) to get in bed and rest. So he did. Half an hour went by and he was ordered back to the Base. DM found out about his “loafing off” and so he was driven back to post. Never came back to ISO. But this was just obvious good sense and the proper handling for all that PTS crap that all those lazy bastards would use as an excuse to be off production.

So time came to end off the days of reasonable leniency. One thing to understand is, that a major obstacle in the way of planetary clearing and a pet target of DMs rage were the so called “worker oriented” execs that allowed their staff to go home and sleep as early as 3 a.m. or allowed them to go on “medical lines” when sick, eat at meal times and other deviations from the hard line of those a few execs who had salvaging this sector of the universe really at heart, namely DM. So DM cancelled ISO as such. Thereby sickness at the Base was terminatedly handled. At that point the only reason why you would not come in to post would be that your legs broke to splinters and could not sit up in a wheelchair. Or something similar.

In these much more disciplined times of no more sickness a girl sitting next to me in the office arrived one morning looking all broken. Her face was grey and she could hardly move around. I found out that she did something with her arm, tore a ligament or twisted it, had no idea, but was in awful pain. It was so bad that for at least a week she could never sleep at night. But she kept coming to post and would not dare say that she needed to go home and rest. I asked her more than once is she could maybe go and ask for help at the MLOs, each time she refused, said there was no ISO anyway, and she would only manage to get into more trouble for trying to f* off. She did not even protest when she was sent to go run laps around the block with all the rest of the department – didn’t even know who offended and in what way that this penalty was meted out but did it anyway, even though she could only limp around.

But obviously the process was biting all right: a lot less people dared to get sick, so this was one more obstacle that DM single handedly cleared out of the way of planetary clearing.


*Site of the Int Base

 

[Spirited]

SO members donating to IAS

Hello,
The following pales into insignificance compared to some of the wrong doings by the organization mentioned on this thread, however I do see it as wrong all the same.
I still know people in the sea org and I was not overjoyed when 3 of them recently told me that the wins on the planet are so huge and that the cycles and campaigns being done are so important that they have donated their own hard earned cash to these current causes themselves.
These guys have NO money except their ever abundant….Not! sea org pay.
So not only is the “can’t have” Elite sea org member expected to have
No Family ie: Kids
No true friends outside the Sea Org
No Cell Phone
No Email or Internet
No TV
No regular Libs days
No Bridge
No Sleep
No beautiful nutritious food
No private mail without it being opened and read first
No Freedom
No proper medical and dental care
And virtually NO money
But David Miscavige is also HAPPY to accept the very measly amount of money that SO members receive as well!!
Yes it’s been going on for years and this outpoint never went unnoticed by me.
I have even commented on it at times to the guys that donated it…. It’s a wonder I didn’t get slammed for it…. The general comments back to me from the SO/Staff member would always be that they were happy and willing to donate it as it is sooooo important and apparently wasn’t an issue for them.
I understand that some may say that it’s their choice and that there should be NO limit to “helping”. That’s ok…However, IMO the issue that I deem totally WRONG is that David Miscavige allows and accepts these “donations” from SO members that are already working 18 hour days with next to no exchange and no havingness (listed above).
It should be policy that they should NOT be allowed to donate money at all, or at least if they “insist” on giving back their pay to DM then one would at least expect him to flow it back to them by using the money to improve conditions for them.
Knowing all that we know….Pigs might fly too!!

Hopefully people that are still “in” or on the fence will not “justify” these sort of outpoints but rather see them for what they are. Wrong!

 

[Carmel]

Hello,
The following pales into insignificance compared to some of the wrong doings by the organization mentioned on this thread, however I do see it as wrong all the same.
I still know people in the sea org and I was not overjoyed when 3 of them recently told me that the wins on the planet are so huge and that the cycles and campaigns being done are so important that they have donated their own hard earned cash to these current causes themselves.
These guys have NO money except their ever abundant….Not! sea org pay.
So not only is the “can’t have” Elite sea org member expected to have
No Family ie: Kids
No true friends outside the Sea Org
No Cell Phone
No Email or Internet
No TV
No regular Libs days
No Bridge
No Sleep
No beautiful nutritious food
No private mail without it being opened and read first
No Freedom
No proper medical and dental care
And virtually NO money
But David Miscavige is also HAPPY to accept the very measly amount of money that SO members receive as well!!
Yes it’s been going on for years and this outpoint never went unnoticed by me.
I have even commented on it at times to the guys that donated it…. It’s a wonder I didn’t get slammed for it…. The general comments back to me from the SO/Staff member would always be that they were happy and willing to donate it as it is sooooo important and apparently wasn’t an issue for them.
I understand that some may say that it’s their choice and that there should be NO limit to “helping”. That’s ok…However, IMO the issue that I deem totally WRONG is that David Miscavige allows and accepts these “donations” from SO members that are already working 18 hour days with next to no exchange and no havingness (listed above).
It should be policy that they should NOT be allowed to donate money at all, or at least if they “insist” on giving back their pay to DM then one would at least expect him to flow it back to them by using the money to improve conditions for them.
Knowing all that we know….Pigs might fly too!!

Hopefully people that are still “in” or on the fence will not “justify” these sort of outpoints but rather see them for what they are. Wrong!

No Spirited, your point doesn't pale into insignificance at all - it is a good one. People who support this 'church' need to know what it does to its own - thanks for posting.

 

[Royal Prince Xenu]

Even nuns taking vows of Chastity, Poverty and Obedience live better than this, and what's more; if one decides to leave, it is PERMITTED.

 

[Carmel]

Even nuns taking vows of Chastity, Poverty and ______ (I can't remember the third one) live better than this, and what's more; if one decides to leave, it is PERMITTED.

'Obediance', I think.

And yes, while those leaving a religious order under the umbrella of the Roman Catholic Church have a lot to contend with - they are free to leave if that's what they choose to do.

 

[Lynn Fountain Campbell]

Interesting thread.

Lynn

 

[Lovesnightsky]

It is heartbreaking.

 

[Panda Termint]

Hey Ceedia/Mate,
Have you heard any more about the on-going Investigation into the paedophile cover-ups in Sydney? I asked a friend who told me that the Department of Community Services is in the midst of a huge shake up and that many Investigations are being reviewed. Any news?
Cheers, Panda

 

[Free to shine]

Yes we would really like to hear about that!

 

[Carmel]

Hey Ceedia/Mate,
Have you heard any more about the on-going Investigation into the paedophile cover-ups in Sydney? I asked a friend who told me that the Department of Community Services is in the midst of a huge shake up and that many Investigations are being reviewed. Any news?
Cheers, Panda

Yes we would really like to hear about that!

While the CofS did its thing in relation to the cover-ups at the time, there are now several parties who had varying degress of involvement back then, who now wish to make good!

This was all buried for a long time - it's not buried now, but these things take time

 

[scooter]

^^^^^ ^^^^^

 

[Royal Prince Xenu]

While the CofS did its thing in relation to the cover-ups at the time, there are now several parties who had varying degress of involvement back then, who now wish to make good!

This was all buried for a long time - it's not buried now, but these things take time

Yes. Expose them, but I don't think I want to know the details beyond the actual cover-up.

 

[scooter]

The stuff I personally know is too stomach-churning, mate.

Let the tabloids feast on it when it goes to the appropriate Courts

 

[ttamaad]

<snip>
Let the tabloids feast on it when it goes to the appropriate Courts

or failing the appropriate authority handling it, let the tabloids feast on everything that is written here.... We may be out, but combined, we know so much more than could ever be handled by the authorities... with the info written here alone could keep scn shrinking until the cows come home and then scn would have turned out all the lights anyway

 

[Royal Prince Xenu]

The stuff I personally know is too stomach-churning, mate.

Let the tabloids feast on it when it goes to the appropriate Courts

In my life I have been exposed to one KP image and one snuff image. That's more than enough for me. Fortunately I can't remember where I saw them, but they didn't originate in Australia--and I've no burning desire to either again.

As for the cover-up, yes expose the people who covered things up, but the "stomach-churning" stuff can stay in the prosecution files thank you very much.

 

[Panda Termint]

Bump.... this has been buried for too long.

 

[Carmel]

A request to members here.

There's a lot of relevant stuff on this thread, that the CofS doesn't/didn't like!

Soon after I started this thread, I got calls from OSA. They put shit on me and tried to threaten me, in an effort to get my posts on this thread (and my staff war stories thread) deleted. They wanted me to request that my posts on this and the other thread (but particularly two posts here), get removed! I wonder why?

This whole thread is worth a read, but if ya don't feel inclined, I suggest you at least read posts:
#'s 4, 6, 22, 33, 82, 84, 101, and 116. (FYI - When posters were addressing "Ceedia", they were addressing me - I was posting under the name of Ceedia before I started using my christian name).

We have gathered that the CofS didn't like the fact that we exposed their; negligence in regard to the deaths of two little girls (Scooter and Mary Mag's daughters); enforced abortions; and the cover ups of 'PAEDOPHILIA by their 'parishioners'.

I suggest we keep these issues somewhat 'alive' on this board. I also suggest and request that members here post crimes within or by the CofS that they have witnessed/copped.

We who are members here, may well not see all the effects that this board can have. Be aware that there are many still trapped within the ranks looking for data on the net, and the data that comes up on this board makes a difference. It has helped set many free. Threads and posts that expose the actual game, crimes and atrocities within the CofS do make a huge difference, so let's contribute to that if we can by posting about CofS crimes - crimes that the CofS would rather have kept under the carpet.