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Cult drops bombshell in Monique Rathbun case

Discussion in 'Monique Rathbun' started by Emma, Oct 19, 2013.

  1. mnql1

    mnql1 Patron Meritorious

  2. Churchill

    Churchill Gold Meritorious Patron


    I take your point. I could be wrong, but I think that most people who take the wonderful step of visiting this site

    have experienced PTP's and ARC Breaks with the nutty management that's destroying the organization. It's a huge step

    for someone in to come here, and it puts them on a withhold from the group.

    If they apply Doubt honestly, many will realize they need to leave the Church,

    because it simply is not possible for a being with a shred of rational and independent thought

    to not examine both sides and see where the truth rests.

    They realize that far from this being entheta, it is a vibrant, energetic, and diverse community of well meaning ex Scientologists

    speaking to one another, exchanging ideas, and sometimes arguing and debating and behaving like FREE PEOPLE ought to.

    The absence of lockstep thought is the guarantee of free thought.
     
  3. Ogsonofgroo

    Ogsonofgroo Crusader

    So, does the judge rule on the cult's SLAP plea today? :shrug: Anyone in Texas following this? Updates?

    :drama:
     
  4. Udarnik

    Udarnik Gold Meritorious Patron

    He's a careful judge. Don't hold your breath, you'll turn blue. :biggrin:
     
  5. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    Yes and he does need to be careful. However, the cult keeps dropping it's cards face up on the table. :thumbsup:
     
  6. NoName

    NoName A Girl Has No Name

    Did the judge say when he would rule? I've been too busy to follow if he even said when he would rule....
     
  7. JBWriter

    JBWriter Happy Sapien

    At this point, Judge Waldrip has only heard from the Co$ attorneys.
    Their Motion to Dismiss the case, based on the anti-SLAPP law(s), was submitted in his courtroom on Friday.

    He has not yet received the Response Motion from Mrs. Rathbun's attorneys.

    Per Wiki and a few other online sites... in civil litigation, the "reply" and "surreply" motions aren't as frequently seen, but do pop-up.

    Motion (submitted on Friday)
    Response Motion (not yet submitted)
    Reply Motion
    Surreply Motion

    JB
     
  8. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    Re: What's the date?

    The latest red and green vols have "LRH" modified issues from the 1990s.

    Its disguised verbal tech. Here is an interesting change. Clearly the 1991 step B2
    is just an excuse to extract as much dosh as possible. A recent favorite is X no. of
    basics donated to libraries. God knows what else is in the extra 11 pages added to this
    PL!


    I was just comparing the HCO POLICY LETTER OF 23 DECEMBER 1965 with the 1991 revision.

    The A-E steps changed quite a bit in 1991. Hell, they even changed the name! Does anyone know who ml.cden are? And who might LRH Technical Research and Compilations be referring to?

    Can anyone say if the changes really came from LRH or DM?


    Here’s the 1965 version:

    OEC Vol 1 copyright 1980 pages 552-557 (only 5 pages long!)

    HCO POLICY LETTER OF 23 DECEMBER 1965

    ETHICS SUPPRESSIVE ACTS SUPPRESSION OF SCIENTOLOGY AND SCIENTOLOGISTS THE FAIR GAME LAW

    LRH:ml.cden Copyright (c) 1965 by L. Ron Hubbard ALL RIGHTS RESERVED

    A. Tells the person or group to stop committing present time overts and to cease all attacks and suppressions so he, she or they can get a case gain;

    B. Requires a public announcement to the effect that they realize their actions were ignorant and unfounded and stating where possible the influences or motivations which caused them to attempt to suppress or attack Scientology; gets it signed before witnesses and published broadly, particularly to persons directly influenced or formerly associated with the former offender or offenders. The letter should be calculated to expose any conspiracy to suppress Scientology or the preclear or Scientologist if such existed;

    B(1). Requires that all debts owed to Scientology organizations are paid off;

    C. Requires training beginning at HAS at their expense if Division 4 (Training and Processing) will have the person or the group members;

    D. Makes a note of the matter with copies of the statement and files in the Ethics files;

    E. Informs the Chairman at Saint Hill and forwards a duplicate of the original copy which shows signatures.



    Here’s the 1991 revision:

    OEC Vol 1 pages 873 – 889 (16 pages long!)

    HCO POLICY LETTER OF 23 DECEMBER 1965RB
    REVISED 8 JANUARY 1991

    SUPPRESSIVE ACTS SUPPRESSION OF SCIENTOLOGY AND SCIENTOLOGISTS

    Revision assisted by
    LRH Technical Research
    and Compilations

    A. Tells the person or group to stop committing present time overts and to cease
    all attacks and suppressions so he, she or they can get a case gain;

    B. Requires a public announcement to the effect that they realize their actions were ignorant and unfounded and stating where possible the influences or motivations which caused them to attempt to suppress or attack Scientology; gets it signed before witnesses and published broadly, particularly to persons directly influenced or formerly associated with the former offender or offenders. The letter should be calculated to expose any conspiracy to suppress Scientology or the preclear or Scientologist if such existed;

    B1. Requires that all debts owed to Scientology organizations or missions are
    paid off;

    B2. May require that, subject to the approval of the International Justice Chief, an amends project suitable and commensurate with the severity and extent of the suppressive acts committed be completed before further A to E steps are undertaken;

    Before any such amends project is begun, the person must submit an Amends Project Petition to the International Justice Chief, using full CSW and stating what he proposes to do as amends, and this must be approved by the International Justice Chief to be considered valid. (Ref: HCO PL 1 May 65, STAFF MEMBER REPORTS, and HCO PL 1 May 65 II, ORDER BOARD AND TIME MACHINE) Evidence of genuine ethics change may be required before approval of the amends project is given. (Examples of such evidence might be, depending upon the high crimes committed: the person has obtained an honest job; has paid off all debts owed to others; valid contributions have been made to the community; the person has totally ceased those actions for which he was declared, etc.);

    It is also within the power of the International Justice Chief, when approving an Amends Project Petition, to require, as a protector of the Church and its tenets and membership, that such amends project be carried out entirely off any Scientology organization, mission or network lines, and to require, before the amends project may be considered complete, extensive evidence over a protracted period of time that the person has, beyond any doubt, ceased his or her suppressive actions, has created no problems for the Church or any member of the Church in any way on any line, and has undertaken and completed
    an action which is clearly and undeniably of benefit to mankind;

    C. Requires training beginning at the lowest level of the Bridge at their expense if executives in charge of training will have the person or the group members;

    D. Makes a note of all of the above matters with copies of the statement and files in the ethics files of those concerned;

    E. Informs the International Justice Chief and forwards a duplicate of the original statements which show signatures.
    Reply With Quote
     
  9. NoName

    NoName A Girl Has No Name

    Re: What's the date?

    I think you should Comm Ev Davey at one of your FZ Orgs. Marty wrote a Declare a while back, and I think that the FZ needs to get on the ball!!

    Give him something else to drink about....
     
  10. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    Re: What's the date?

    Well one who dosn't read history is destined to repeat it. So respectfully I decline :)

    Veritas, CBR and Jon Attack have issued declares, and probably several others.

    He might do better there than in Texas:coolwink:

    But characteristically he was a no show on all accounts.

    So Texas probably has an edge here. :)
     
  11. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    Don't forget that what happens with this anti-SLAPP motion affects more than just this case. It affects future cases and would open the door to defeating the purpose of the anti-SLAPP in the first place- to prevent legal bullying and unfair legal assault.

    The judge will have to be very careful in going over all the associated case law because if this is allowed to fly, the potential for large companies using this to get legitimate complaints off their ass looms large.

    This is actually some serious shit because it is not just Mosey at stake here, it's the purpose of anti-SLAPP being corrupted for future litigation.

    It's a pebble in a very large pond.
     
  12. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    You should have seen what they were using in the KTL courseroom before the books were proffessionally published and the price bloated.

    They looked like kids coloring books.
     
  13. Dave B.

    Dave B. Maximus Ultimus Mostimus

    Tom is an uptone, upstat, homo novis, he hires P.I.'s to follow him on his own dime and report to the Dwarf.

    :biggrin:
     
  14. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    Re: What's the date?

    Party!!!

    :party:


     
  15. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    Hey watch that!

    He uses study tech liberally and gets word clearing from a black and blue word clearer who never finds any MU's


     
  16. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor




    OH man, is this a space opera unifom or what?

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    This guy doesn't know what is coming

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  17. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    Per the Staute he has 30 days from the filing but I estimate 7-10. He did not say, he was listening to the lawyer run his schpiel.


    He did ask if it was part of the Dec 11th date but that is when the lawyer started his crap about how it had to sop right now and Blah blah I bring gifts in the form of a KTL 6C.
     
  18. Udarnik

    Udarnik Gold Meritorious Patron

    Yeah, I have a feeling this Judge is talking to some Texas supreme court Justices right about now. If ever there was a move designed to antagonize an honest judge, this would be it. This may be the biggest footbullet in this trial.

    The cult lawyers are throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. Most of it appears to be sliding off. But I get the feeling that Judge Waldrip does not like shit smears on his wall.
     
  19. NoName

    NoName A Girl Has No Name

    All the more reason to come down VERY HARD on this and make an example of the cult. A nice little "BENCH SLAP" for the "anti-SLAPP" abusers may be just what the karmic vortex ordered.

    :drama:
     
  20. ILove2Lurk

    ILove2Lurk Lisbeth Salander

    ...
    How is Squirrel Buster extraordinaire John Allender keeping himself busy

    while waiting for the action to move forward in the court case?

    Seems like he's volunteering as a stand in course completion for ideal org graduation
    photo shoots at an org where he's not exactly on services. (Holding a "dummy" cert
    from the back row far left, sans trademark head cam.) :eyeroll:

    Despite being at the center of a controversial court case, his photo is included in
    the most recent org magazine being sent around. Maybe they haven't heard the
    news about his scandalous affidavit.

    A guy's gotta "keep his hand in" while waiting for the next shoe to drop, doesn't he? :coolwink:

    Article at Mike's for the curious: http://www.mikerindersblog.org/stevens-creek-fake-promo-starring-john-allender/

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