Dating a Scientologist - I Have Questions

[WOG3232]

Here is a link but this is for security checks not courses.

http://www.xenu.net/archive/books/isd/isd-5i.htm

Holy C**P - One of the questions is, "Have you ever hidden a body?". Seriously ?

 

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Holy C**P - One of the questions is, "Have you ever hidden a body?". Seriously ?

Welcome to the insanity known as scientology.

AND - if one had hidden a body they would not be turned over to the authorities. However the information and confession would be used to guarantee "good" behavior.

 

[WOG3232]

My hat's off to you for sticking around for 3.5 years and giving her that extended window of opportunity to wake up and leave/escape (I wish I had been that lucky). But no, she wants to swim upstream against the tide, what can you do.

She may wake up after you leave and realize how right you were. Deep down she knows who really cares about her, and it ain't the church!

Thanks Renegade. I'll be honest, even if she did come to me saying she's left and wants nothing to do with the CofS I need to move on. 20 years in a cult will leave some seriously deep scars. I'm in my 40's and not looking to a long time fixer-upper. For our time together I truly did love her and now that we are apart I wish her well and hope she finds happiness; one way of the other.

 

[Type4_PTS]

Holy C**P - One of the questions is, "Have you ever hidden a body?". Seriously ?

Check out some of these questions on the Whole Track Security Check:

Whole Track Sec Check
Have you ever enslaved a population?
Have you ever implanted anyone?
Have you ever sacked a city?
Have you ever sunk, or otherwise destroyed, a non-combatant vessel?
Have you ever abused hostages, or prisoners?
Have you ever ordered, or yourself committed, genocide?
Have you ever annihilated a population?
Have you ever poisoned food or drinking supplies?
Have you ever strangled anyone?
Have you ever deliberately spread disease?
Have you ever degraded a religion?
Have you ever raped a child of either sex?
Have you ever warped an educational system?
Have you ever deprived people of hope?
Have you ever committed murder?
Have you ever destroyed a culture?
Have you ever forced anyone into an undesired beingness?
Have you ever stolen a body from another being?
Have you ever destroyed an economy?
Is anybody seeking to discover your whereabouts?

<snip>

See full post: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?7868-Scientology-s-quot-Whole-Track-Security-Check-quot

 

[Terril park]

Maybe others with better info can comment.

Sounds to me she does basic simple courses.
Probably aligned to administration, being wise an all.
Or courses based on scn books.

Auditing courses are fairly heavy duty studies
of how to become a therapist SCN style.The CO$
appears not to be doing these currently.

That you spent 3+ years with no problems seems
to fit with the above.

IMO you have done the right thing. A bit of scn
that applies and is sensible is that one withdrawing
tends to make others reach. If so you'll have to cross
that bridge when and if you come to it.

Scientology organisations are cults and destructive.
Scientologists, especially those not tied to the
organisations are not nessessarily so.

 

[WOG3232]

There are two sides that go up the Bridge to Total [STRIKE]Freedom[/STRIKE] Enslavement. One side is the Auditing or Processing and the other is Training or Course.

In auditing the member sits with an auditor who asks questions to which the member responds while holding onto the e-meter cans. The e-meter, which is a rude lie detector, measures resistance which is displayed via a needle (think old time speedometer). In order to move to the next level of auditing certain needle functions must be met and certain phenomenon must be displayed. The questions asked depend on what level of auditing is being done. Many of the questions are extremely personal/private in nature including sexual, criminal, and other topics one would prefer to not have public (think confessional with the confessee asked leading questions) These have been used against people when they try to leave the cult. Oh, and it's very costly. Currently just under 200$ US if I remember correctly. Members who are actively auditing will blow through several hours a week.

In processing the member pays a lot of money to read very boring, outdated, simplistic textbooks on a variety of topics. There are courses for newbie/public members and more advanced courses for long timers. Courses cover things like communication, child rearing, ahd hubbards insane ravings about just about anything. At the end of each chapter the member will fill out a worksheet demonstrating understanding with a spot for how this boring, stupid, outdated material made their life better.

Both auditing and training have built in elements of mind control and hypnosis and are built with the intent to subjugate the member's ability to think for or trust him/herself. Both include confusion, misdirection, boredom, trance and other well known mind control techniques. When on course one is not allowed to question the material presented. It is assumed to be 100% divinely (as in hubbard/divine) Truth. If you disagree or have questions it is only because you have failed to fully comprehend something (such as the meaning of simple words earlier in the text).

For the privilege of being allowed to audit or train you will empty your savings, mortgage your house, spend your kids' college fund, and cut off completely any friend or loved one who suggests you might want to use the brain god gave you.

Grade chart attached.

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I recently asked my now "ex"girlfriend how much she paid for the "processes" she recently took at the CofS. She told me she paid $200. HAVING SAID THAT... she has also stated (in earlier posts) that she's been doing "THAT" for a long time and she "WANTS T0 D0 IT WHEN SHE WANTS T0". She's only ever told me that she's done "COURSES", but that might just be her generalization for all of the activities she's really doing. Keep in mind she recently admitted to me that she has been in it for a span of 20 years. She told me that she would take some time off from it once in a while, but I now know that it was a large part of her life (I honestly think she was embarrassed or afraid to talk to me about it). She recently entered one of her children in a "course" and told me that her other child had been "asking" about it and that she would also be taking a "course".

Also, keep in mind that she has been working (as the COO) for a organization that has embraced WISE Management Tech for the past 20 years. They have a very high rate of turn-over, their website has a link directly the the 200 question "PPA" test and it isn't easy to find reviews from ex-employees and customers saying that it was a cult and that it was absolutely run by Sci-Tech. This might also help.

Member of the group "WISE MAKH CHAT"
Name appears on "Scientology Service Completions" back in 1999 for "Life Repair" (Cognition 330). D

Does this provide enough information for anyone to tell me all of the things and or processes she might have been doing in the CofS? I would like to know how deep down the rabbit-hole she actually was or will be going and taking her kids.

 

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Does this provide enough information for anyone to tell me all of the things and or processes she might have been doing in the CofS? I would like to know how deep down the rabbit-hole she actually was or will be going and taking her kids.

There's no way to know all the things she's done in the last 20 years. Co$ is very adept at making it's members do and re-do auditing and training because some comma or colon was purportedly mispaced in the original text. In other words - they scam their members to keep them redoing all levels of the bridge in order to suck as much money as possible from them. It's also a way to continue the confusion and misdirection that is an integral part of the mind control. I'd be willing to bet your soon to be ex gf doesn't even know everything she's done over the last 20 years.

 

[Claire Swazey]

Yah, $200.00? Gotta be a basic course.

You're welcome.

 

[Intentionally Blank]

As a never-in married to a scn, the poster from whom I've possibly learned the most about how hubbard and the cos and how he/it uses mind control techniques is Mockingbird. You can find a list of his threads here - http://www.forum.exscn.net/search.php?searchid=5103067.

 

[Intentionally Blank]

Yah, $200.00? Gotta be a basic course.

You're welcome.

Or a payment on a course? Or an hour of auditing?

 

[Claire Swazey]

Thought she told him that was what the course cost.

Afaik, iirc, can't buy just an hour of auditing anyway, unless it's review auditing.

In any event, I've a feeling the op doesn't see my posts.Shame, that, since I wrote a lotta specifics on how courses are done there.

But, it is what it is.

 

[WOG3232]

Maybe others with better info can comment.

Sounds to me she does basic simple courses.
Probably aligned to administration, being wise an all.
Or courses based on scn books.

Auditing courses are fairly heavy duty studies
of how to become a therapist SCN style.The CO$
appears not to be doing these currently.

That you spent 3+ years with no problems seems
to fit with the above.

IMO you have done the right thing. A bit of scn
that applies and is sensible is that one withdrawing
tends to make others reach. If so you'll have to cross
that bridge when and if you come to it.

Scientology organisations are cults and destructive.
Scientologists, especially those not tied to the
organisations are not nessessarily so.

Terril - She's definitely not a "basic" CofS participant. WISE is just as (if not more) evil, twisted and corrupt as Narnacon, Applied Scholastic's and any of the of the other division that funnel $$ into the CofS. She literally manages and enforces the entire CofS doctrine side of her organization for 20 years. She has the tone scale on her wall, gets hourly reports from all locations about up/down-stats, up/down tone people in the office, etc. She spoke Scientologees on the phone (when she didn't 'think I could hear) to her office managers. Most (if not all) of her job entailed looking at stat reports and making sure everyone had "what they needed". I never fully understood all of it until very recently. She had that intense, "dead stare" I've been told about that Scilon's get after years within the cult. She owns tons of non "tech" or "administration" CofS books. She gets all of the CofS magazines (I found this out near the end of the relationship because she was hiding them, and throwing them away before I saw them). She kept everything for her work in the trunk of her car. Again, I didn't put it all together until recently. She even owns the laughable "All About Radiation" book and has other books by LRH all over the house (boxes and boxes of them), she even has some recent books from CofS on how to raise children. For her to leave she would need to quit and never talk to anyone at her job ever again. Her job is her life - so that is never going to happen. She's in deep and she's starting to pull her children into it as well.

The more I think about it, the more I know I did the right thing by breaking it off.

 

[Intentionally Blank]

Thought she told him that was what the course cost.

Afaik, iirc, can't buy just an hour of auditing anyway, unless it's review auditing.

In any event, I've a feeling the op doesn't see my posts.Shame, that, since I wrote a lotta specifics on how courses are done there.

But, it is what it is.

You're probably right. I was just wondering if she was tossing a number out there that might not reflect the entirety of the cost but just a portion so it wouldn't seem like it was all that much. So, "I only spent $200" without adding the "per hour for a thousand hours" part

I wonder why a 20 year member is doing basic courses, too. Aren't the $200 courses for newbies just off the street?

 

[Dulloldfart]

HH,or anyone else - I've always wanted to know how this "Course" process looks/works. For those of us not super familiar with it can you offer a layman's version/walk-through of the process along with samples of any questions they ask, topics they discuss, etc.? It would help to know what it looks like for adults and for children.

I have several free Scientology auditing modules at PaulsRobot3. They don't work as well as the non-Scn ones there, but I tried to make them as authentic as possible (apart from the Robot bit and Rub&Yawn, of course). They include over 800 pages (including audio) of the two lowest auditing grades, ARC Straightwire (Expanded) and Expanded Grade 0. They are basically written in Scientologese, deliberately, but much of them should be comprehensible to a non-Scientologist.

Grade 0 begins here, the page immediately before the session starts: http://paulsrobot3.com/scn/expgrade0/quick-else.htm . If you continue to act as if you are receiving the session as a client and do the actions (to some extent, anyway) then click the appropriate responses, the session will sort of run by itself. For example, the first command of the first process is "OK. Look around the room and discover some object which you don't mind being present." So you would look around the room, maybe not pick the wall because you hate the color of the wallpaper, then figure the table is OK. Then you click the link that says, "I found something in the room I don't mind being present and said aloud what it is." Clicking that link calls up the next page, and the audio (assuming you're using Chrome or IE) says, "Good. Locate something else you don't mind being present." You look around at various things then decide the carpet's OK, and say so. Click the link saying you've done that. You'll get the next command, "OK. Look around the room and discover some object which you don't mind being present." Yes, it's the same command as the first one. It's a repetitive process. But you carry out the command newly. After a bit you might decide the wallpaper isn't so bad. Or you might not. Whatever happens happens.

Someone genuinely trying to get the most out of this would read and follow all the instructions, but I figure you just want to get some idea of it all and not get the most you can out of it. I'm not trying to turn you into a Scientologist (Heaven forbid), but if you do the thing honestly you will get somewhat of a fair view of what non-sensational auditing is about.

The CofS is a rapacious criminal cult. Much of Scientology is full of lies and obfuscation. Some of the lower-level technical stuff is harmless, even beneficial, once you remove the cult from the equation.

Paul

 

[Enthetan]

I recently asked my now "ex"girlfriend how much she paid for the "processes" she recently took at the CofS. She told me she paid $200. HAVING SAID THAT... she has also stated (in earlier posts) that she's been doing "THAT" for a long time and she "WANTS T0 D0 IT WHEN SHE WANTS T0". She's only ever told me that she's done "COURSES", but that might just be her generalization for all of the activities she's really doing. Keep in mind she recently admitted to me that she has been in it for a span of 20 years. She told me that she would take some time off from it once in a while, but I now know that it was a large part of her life (I honestly think she was embarrassed or afraid to talk to me about it). She recently entered one of her children in a "course" and told me that her other child had been "asking" about it and that she would also be taking a "course".

Also, keep in mind that she has been working (as the COO) for a organization that has embraced WISE Management Tech for the past 20 years. They have a very high rate of turn-over, their website has a link directly the the 200 question "PPA" test and it isn't easy to find reviews from ex-employees and customers saying that it was a cult and that it was absolutely run by Sci-Tech. This might also help.

Member of the group "WISE MAKH CHAT"
Name appears on "Scientology Service Completions" back in 1999 for "Life Repair" (Cognition 330). D

Does this provide enough information for anyone to tell me all of the things and or processes she might have been doing in the CofS? I would like to know how deep down the rabbit-hole she actually was or will be going and taking her kids.

I haven't been "in" for a number of years, but it looks like she's going through "The Basics". What happened some years ago is that David Miscavige (Chairman of Scn) decided that the problem with Scientology was that Scientologists had not studied the early materials of Scientology enough. So out came a series of relatively short courses on early books and lectures.

ADDING: Article on "The Basics"

 

[Enthetan]

You're probably right. I was just wondering if she was tossing a number out there that might not reflect the entirety of the cost but just a portion so it wouldn't seem like it was all that much. So, "I only spent $200" without adding the "per hour for a thousand hours" part

I wonder why a 20 year member is doing basic courses, too. Aren't the $200 courses for newbies just off the street?

I think DM's "The Basics" courses are mandatory for all Scientologists, no matter how many years they've been in.

 

[WOG3232]

I have several free Scientology auditing modules at PaulsRobot3. They don't work as well as the non-Scn ones there, but I tried to make them as authentic as possible (apart from the Robot bit and Rub&Yawn, of course). They include over 800 pages (including audio) of the two lowest auditing grades, ARC Straightwire (Expanded) and Expanded Grade 0. They are basically written in Scientologese, deliberately, but much of them should be comprehensible to a non-Scientologist.

Grade 0 begins here, the page immediately before the session starts: http://paulsrobot3.com/scn/expgrade0/quick-else.htm . If you continue to act as if you are receiving the session as a client and do the actions (to some extent, anyway) then click the appropriate responses, the session will sort of run by itself. For example, the first command of the first process is "OK. Look around the room and discover some object which you don't mind being present." So you would look around the room, maybe not pick the wall because you hate the color of the wallpaper, then figure the table is OK. Then you click the link that says, "I found something in the room I don't mind being present and said aloud what it is." Clicking that link calls up the next page, and the audio (assuming you're using Chrome or IE) says, "Good. Locate something else you don't mind being present." You look around at various things then decide the carpet's OK, and say so. Click the link saying you've done that. You'll get the next command, "OK. Look around the room and discover some object which you don't mind being present." Yes, it's the same command as the first one. It's a repetitive process. But you carry out the command newly. After a bit you might decide the wallpaper isn't so bad. Or you might not. Whatever happens happens.

Someone genuinely trying to get the most out of this would read and follow all the instructions, but I figure you just want to get some idea of it all and not get the most you can out of it. I'm not trying to turn you into a Scientologist (Heaven forbid), but if you do the thing honestly you will get somewhat of a fair view of what non-sensational auditing is about.

The CofS is a rapacious criminal cult. Much of Scientology is full of lies and obfuscation. Some of the lower-level technical stuff is harmless, even beneficial, once you remove the cult from the equation.

Paul

Paul - First of all, thanks for taking the time to explain this. Having said that and having looked at the content in your link I need to tell you that I personally think all (100%) of this is completely and utterly ridiculous. It has ALL of the earmarks of mind control and the "normalization" of an intelligent human beings thought processes and their ability to think independently and rationally. If (and that's a huge IF) I ever had walked into a CoS org or building and they presented me with this, I would have laughed myself right out the door while saying "good luck with that".

 

[WOG3232]

I haven't been "in" for a number of years, but it looks like she's going through "The Basics". What happened some years ago is that David Miscavige (Chairman of Scn) decided that the problem with Scientology was that Scientologists had not studied the early materials of Scientology enough. So out came a series of relatively short courses on early books and lectures.

ADDING: Article on "The Basics"

Great read Enthetan - thanks.

 

[Dulloldfart]

Paul - First of all, thanks for taking the time to explain this. Having said that and having looked at the content in your link I need to tell you that I personally think all (100%) of this is completely and utterly ridiculous. It has ALL of the earmarks of mind control and the "normalization" of an intelligent human beings thought processes and their ability to think independently and rationally. If (and that's a huge IF) I ever had walked into a CoS org or building and they presented me with this, I would have laughed myself right out the door while saying "good luck with that".

Fair enough!

It's tempting to say, "Well, if you think that's bad, you should see . . . ."

Paul

 

[Terril park]

Terril - She's definitely not a "basic" CofS participant. WISE is just as (if not more) evil, twisted and corrupt as Narnacon, Applied Scholastic's and any of the of the other division that funnel $$ into the CofS. She literally manages and enforces the entire CofS doctrine side of her organization for 20 years. She has the tone scale on her wall, gets hourly reports from all locations about up/down-stats, up/down tone people in the office, etc. She spoke Scientologees on the phone (when she didn't 'think I could hear) to her office managers. Most (if not all) of her job entailed looking at stat reports and making sure everyone had "what they needed". I never fully understood all of it until very recently. She had that intense, "dead stare" I've been told about that Scilon's get after years within the cult. She owns tons of non "tech" or "administration" CofS books. She gets all of the CofS magazines (I found this out near the end of the relationship because she was hiding them, and throwing them away before I saw them). She kept everything for her work in the trunk of her car. Again, I didn't put it all together until recently. She even owns the laughable "All About Radiation" book and has other books by LRH all over the house (boxes and boxes of them), she even has some recent books from CofS on how to raise children. For her to leave she would need to quit and never talk to anyone at her job ever again. Her job is her life - so that is never going to happen. She's in deep and she's starting to pull her children into it as well.

The more I think about it, the more I know I did the right thing by breaking it off.

Looks like a basic CO$ participent. Not on staff at a mission or org, not SO. No one has bothered with her 3+ years relationship with you. She is not on direct CO$ command lines.

She might have exec talent but not sure if a WISE CV is useful.

Note I've in effect studied all admin , OEC/FEBC. I know Exes who were good execs make money using 1 or 2 policies as management consultants
paid by result. Good choice ignoring the other 99% of this stuff.

Its sad to see your story......

For her sake send her this stuff:-

From the Captain of Flag:-

https://backincomm.wordpress.com/debbie-cooks-letter/


Video of her shocking televised testimony of abuse
from the top. :- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5zUS6YR5e0

Mike Rinders and Marty Rathbun's blogs. Having been in
20 years she will know of the International Spokesperson
and the ex number 2 in CO$.