David Mayo on Clear Mega Thread

Boojuum

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I'm surprised more people haven't commented on this OP.

This is a "Holy Fucking Shit!" revelation.

David Mayo is THE HIGHEST TRAINED EVER TECH GUY, who was the closest to LRH, who was trained by LRH, who audited LRH is saying that LRH was ambivalent about the state of clear and David Mayo is saying that the state of clear isn't attainable.

The state of "Clear" is the underpinning of Dianetics and Scientology. It's the prime, number one Goal of every person who has stepped into a Church of Scientology. David Mayo is saying it didn't exist. Wow.
 

Veda

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I'm thrilled that David Mayo stepped up to the plate and clarified the "clear" definition and LRH's comments about it.

This is a big deal for anyone who has been connected with Scientology or Dianetics.

Thanks very much for posting.:thumbsup:

Yes, AnonKat, you did good. :hattip:

I'm surprised more people haven't commented on this OP.

Many people have commented on it. It's been posted on ESMB, maybe a hundred times, over the years.

This is a "Holy Fucking Shit!" revelation.

The revelation appeared in print in both IVy magazine and the Free Spirit magazine around 1990. (For those who may be wondering, as there's no date on the linked IVy material.) That's when I first read it. I even made photocopies of it and mailed it to people, pre-Internet. It seems to have brought some relief to quite a few people who had been entangled in Hubbard's manipulative hypno-certainty assertions about the mind. For me, it confirmed what I had suspected since I first witnessed the Dianetic Clear frenzy amongst Scientologists in the late 1970s.

David Mayo is THE HIGHEST TRAINED EVER TECH GUY, who was the closest to LRH, who was trained by LRH, who audited LRH is saying that LRH was ambivalent about the state of clear and David Mayo is saying that the state of clear isn't attainable.

The state of "Clear" is the underpinning of Dianetics and Scientology. It's the prime, number one Goal of every person who has stepped into a Church of Scientology. David Mayo is saying it didn't exist. Wow.

I'm glad that AnonKat posted this and that you saw it. It's a great example of why key information should be posted multiple times, every once in a while. :)
 
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Enough derailing - back to the topic:










And batshit crazy Hubbard himself is the best proof:



http://home.earthlink.net/~snefru/deathoflrh/prince-death.html

You can't really say it Scientology was the cause of L Ron Hubbard's mental illness or the countless other Scientologists who have gone insane, but it is an indisputable fact that Scientology did not even remotely come close to curing Hubbard's mental illness. His mental rapidly declined while practicing Scientology. What needs to be quantified is how much did Scientology add to Hubbard's mental illness.
 
I'm surprised more people haven't commented on this OP.

This is a "Holy Fucking Shit!" revelation.

David Mayo is THE HIGHEST TRAINED EVER TECH GUY, who was the closest to LRH, who was trained by LRH, who audited LRH is saying that LRH was ambivalent about the state of clear and David Mayo is saying that the state of clear isn't attainable.

The state of "Clear" is the underpinning of Dianetics and Scientology. It's the prime, number one Goal of every person who has stepped into a Church of Scientology. David Mayo is saying it didn't exist. Wow.

The State of Clear actually does exist, it's a level in the batshit crazy role playing game known as Scientology. It exists to people who haven't figured Scientology out yet and are still wasting their time with it.
 

Boojuum

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Yes, AnonKat, you did good. :hattip:



Many people have commented on it. It's been posted on ESMB, maybe a hundred times, over the years.



The revelation appeared in print in both IVy magazine and the Free Spirit magazine around 1990. (For those who may be wondering, as there's no date on the linked IVy material.) That's when I first read it. I even made photocopies of it and mailed it to people, pre-Internet. It seems to have brought some relief to quite a few people who had been entangled in Hubbard's manipulative hypno-certainty assertions about the mind. For me, it confirmed what I had suspected since I first witnessed the Dianetic Clear frenzy amongst Scientologists in the late 1970s.



I'm glad that AnonKat posted this and that you saw it. It's a great example of why key information should be posted multiple times, every once in a while. :)

Oh. :duh: (fill in a Rosanne Rosanna Danna moment, "never mind") Blew me away. That explains the lack of comments. LOL. And I thought I'd read just about everything on the subject.

Still. It's a big deal that bears repeating over and over again.

I clearly recall David Mayo as the top tech dog in the late 70's and he's admitting that clear never existed.

I remember him in that movie "The Secret of Flag Results" and his line, "Standard tech is standard tech."

I wish he'd do a remake. "The Secret Behind the Secret of Flag Results".

I can think of a few lines to that movie, "Standard tech is whatever Ron thinks will work, even if it's a complete lie, based on an unattainable goal that we've never seen."
 

Anonycat

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I'm surprised more people haven't commented on this OP.

This is a "Holy Fucking Shit!" revelation.

David Mayo is THE HIGHEST TRAINED EVER TECH GUY, who was the closest to LRH, who was trained by LRH, who audited LRH is saying that LRH was ambivalent about the state of clear and David Mayo is saying that the state of clear isn't attainable.

The state of "Clear" is the underpinning of Dianetics and Scientology. It's the prime, number one Goal of every person who has stepped into a Church of Scientology. David Mayo is saying it didn't exist. Wow.

I think this is very good news. Now there is no reason to carry on about clearing the planet. Scientologists, you are free to go home now, the show's over. Think of all the unnecessary and irrelevant work that was avoided by this. It's a great day for scientology! No more billion years of slavery, no more saving the galax-ee! Now people can focus on something productive ... like collecting 'Clear the Planet' propaganda to sell on ebay at a later date.
 

Terril park

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I think this is very good news. Now there is no reason to carry on about clearing the planet. Scientologists, you are free to go home now, the show's over. Think of all the unnecessary and irrelevant work that was avoided by this. It's a great day for scientology! No more billion years of slavery, no more saving the galax-ee! Now people can focus on something productive ... like collecting 'Clear the Planet' propaganda to sell on ebay at a later date.

Here is his last sentence.

"Regardless of what the state is named, the recognition that a person can continue to be come clear-er, restores hope and makes progress possible again."
 

WildKat

Gold Meritorious Patron
Thanks for not dishing on old folks because they are old, that happens lots of times,

[video=youtube;RCtPa8UEA6Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCtPa8UEA6Q[/video]

Thanks for posting this video - I've seen it before, but I watched it again because this guy is just so damned interesting! He isn't really saying anything of real substance, he re-states the same concept over and over, but his style of presentation is just fascinating to me! I find myself staring transfixed at his face and not really caring what he's talking about - LOL!

But he was basically saying that people who leave Scientology are disillusioned and then decide that there was nothing there to begin with, the tech doesn't work, blah blah blah. I wonder how long after this video was made that he may have come round to the conclusion, "Hey they were right!" I had heard that, like Marty, he doesn't beat the drum for The Almighty Tech anymore.
:biggrin:
 

Anonycat

Crusader
Here is his last sentence.

"Regardless of what the state is named, the recognition that a person can continue to be come clear-er, restores hope and makes progress possible again."

'Restores Hope' - 'Clear-er' - this is the zoner pitch. Seen it.

There is no "clear", but rejoice the promise and hope restored. What a load. Is this what flies are caught with?
 

Gib

Crusader
Here is his last sentence.

"Regardless of what the state is named, the recognition that a person can continue to be come clear-er, restores hope and makes progress possible again."

"clear" is just a mocked-up goal by hubbard (or a weenie) to obtain, and once that mocked-up goal was obtained

the next mocked-up goal by hubbard was "ot".

These, clear & ot, are just mocked-up goals to obtain in hubbard's dianetics & scientology game.

Those goals ( "weenie" ) are the same in every game. :laugh: This is straight out out Dale Carneige, mocking up goals.

Only thing is hubbard created a group game. LOL

And he succeeded. He got people to try to go clear & ot, of which no state exists per his ever changing definitions. LOL

So hubbard dies, but yet mocked-up states of existence beyond OT8 per the chart "Bridge to Total Freedom", where are they, the auditing processes? LOL

You'd think he had it all mapped out. :duh:
 

AnonKat

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http://tonyortega.org/2013/04/13/the-saga-of-david-mayo-scientologys-banished-tech-wizard/


David_Mayo_Today.jpg



Thanks for posting this video - I've seen it before, but I watched it again because this guy is just so damned interesting! He isn't really saying anything of real substance, he re-states the same concept over and over, but his style of presentation is just fascinating to me! I find myself staring transfixed at his face and not really caring what he's talking about - LOL!

But he was basically saying that people who leave Scientology are disillusioned and then decide that there was nothing there to begin with, the tech doesn't work, blah blah blah. I wonder how long after this video was made that he may have come round to the conclusion, "Hey they were right!" I had heard that, like Marty, he doesn't beat the drum for The Almighty Tech anymore.
:biggrin:
 

AnonKat

Crusader
I understand auditing outside the church is in an all different ballpark than inside.

Alsoo THIS


McMaster stated in an interview: "I was so excited about the function of auditing ($cientology counseling) that I was willing to overlook Hubbard's faults - . That was up to a point of course, the final point being my realization that his intentions were entirely self-serving. I saw that he was in it for the money and personal power, and his actual intentions were not as stated. The basic function of auditing is a wonderful thing, but Hubbard perverted it."


'Restores Hope' - 'Clear-er' - this is the zoner pitch. Seen it.

There is no "clear", but rejoice the promise and hope restored. What a load. Is this what flies are caught with?
 
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