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Debbie Cook Agreement with CSFSO, CSI and RTC (19 October 2007)

Discussion in 'Debbie Cook' started by Caroline, Oct 15, 2013.

  1. Caroline

    Caroline Patron Meritorious


    The handling of Debbie's 8-year long medical condition is interesting from a Scientology tech/ethics point of view. It is also a matter of considerable importance PR-wise for Scientology and Scientologists. (The Captain FSO not able to handle her PTS situation with Scientology tech? Wow!)

    Debbie dated her medical condition back around eight years, or to 1999, which was during the Lisa McPherson litigation. As Captain FSO, Debbie was responsible for much of what was done to Lisa, from the start of her Flag auditing to her incarceration and death. She provided a sworn statement in the criminal investigation in 1997.

    Scientologists understand that "medical conditions" are caused by PTSness. Debbie indicated she had all kinds of help and assistance for her condition. But why would she, as a dyed-in-the-wool, worldwide opinion leader, Class IX auditor, OEC/FEBC grad and veteran SO exec agree to a minimum contact clause for one year from her Scientologist contacts and family? This is not a usual PTS handling for a Scientologist in good standing. Possibly they're treating it as a "Type 1 PTS situation," where the SP or SPs on her case are currently in her environment, and are threatening her, her family and Scientology.

    On the record, all sides -- Scientology and Debbie and Wayne -- agreed that it was in all of their best interests that Debbie and Wayne do a disappearing act. It was also evident from the interview that Debbie had information that was potentially damaging to Scientology.
  2. Rene Descartes

    Rene Descartes Gold Meritorious Patron

    I can't even make it through that entire thing. Once it gets to a point where to us former members where you can see all the spoon fed crap it truly gets to be sickening to continue.

    1984 lives.

  3. Idle Morgue

    Idle Morgue Gold Meritorious Patron

    Pass this to everyone you know!

    I had some "wogs" read it w/o saying one word...just let them read it and looked for their response.

    They all said the same thing - "looks like Scientology treated her very badly and is forcing her to sign this and agree with everything Scientology wants her to agree with!

    It is obvious she is not stating these things on her own and would not be allowed to leave unless she agreed to everything"

    This will keep people out of the cult - so pass it on!! Post it on facebook and twitter! Send it to your entire e-mail contacts!!

    This is very damaging! Thanks for posting it in a "new unit of time" - good for lurkers to see how you are treated after 30 years of volunteering!!
  4. TG1

    TG1 Angelic Poster


    At one point I saw a video of Gerry executing his settlement agreement with the Church. I cannot find the link online. Do you know where it is -- and if so, would you please post that, too?



    EDIT: Or just PM it to me. It doesn't need to interrupt this thread. Thanks.
  5. TG1

    TG1 Angelic Poster

    Caroline, thanks for posting this. I saw it at one point but couldn't find it again.

    It's very eye-opening for those who haven't before seen just this tiny bit of what a Sea Org member must go through to get out the front gate.

  6. Bea Kiddo

    Bea Kiddo Crusader

    I wish I could get a hold of mine. It was done at OSA, when OSA was kind of still around....

    I was deliberately just grunting the answers. I don't think I ever said yes or no. Somehow I knew I should not really sound like I am agreeing....

    But I signed and got out pretty quick after that... Yay.

    Is the only way to get these is when they become part of a court case?
  7. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    It shouldn't be. It's a legal agreement you took part in and you are entitled to a copy of it.

    Now that Laura DeCrescenzo has gotten her pc folders back, I think Scientology is going to have a much harder time keeping these types of things from the people who were party to them any more.

    I would have a lawyer write them a letter asking for yours.


    (Hi Bea!)
  8. In present time

    In present time Gold Meritorious Patron

    debbie said in a letter to dm that she knew where the bodies were buried. literally. in all the hooplah, that was the part i will never forget.
    Last edited: Oct 15, 2013
  9. Caroline

    Caroline Patron Meritorious

    Right. We won't forget this either:

  10. TG1

    TG1 Angelic Poster


    I've been looking this afternoon for that email she sent (to Pouw?), but cannot locate it.

    Does anyone know where it is? And post the link here, please?

    Many thanks,

  11. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    No gag order can keep anyone from talking about illegal acts to the authorities.

    She could still go to the FBI and keep every cent of the money she got from her settlement.

    This is the case for every single person who has ever had a gag order settlement with Scientology.

  12. Bea Kiddo

    Bea Kiddo Crusader

    Wow Caroline, How did that letter get leaked. I am missing so much information...
  13. TG1

    TG1 Angelic Poster


    It was one of those exciting times when you actually think the cult could cave. And then it didn't.

    Still, some good stuff happened while you were livin' life.

    They weren't show-stoppers. But they weren't bad. :)


    P.S. Oh yeah -- and while you were gone, Katie divorced Tom. :)
  14. Anonycat

    Anonycat Crusader

    I think that's the transcription from the video.
  15. Caroline

    Caroline Patron Meritorious

    Last edited: Oct 16, 2013
  16. Caroline

    Caroline Patron Meritorious

    From Mark Rathbun:

    That amount, according to Karen de la Carriere, was paid after the hearing.

  17. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    Back in Jan 2012 I received the Debbie Cook email. At that point I decided to take the red pill, which would mean I started reading the internet for the truth about scientology.

    I saw this video of Debbie signing the gag agreement, and at the time I was still digesting the red bill and the blue bill was slowly working out of my system.

    In looking at this video today with my new all red pill viewpoint, and specifically looking and observing this lawyer

    I find I have some questions:

    1:18 Lawyer says it's been very interesting hasn't it been.

    How does this lawyer know that, that Cook's 28 years in were interesting?
    1:19 Lawyer asks Debbie "Can you tell me what position you've held in FSO?

    Debbie answers "........head, Captain of FSO for 17 years, and,.........pause, comm lag for 11 seconds before the lawyer finishes her answer.

    A 11 seconds is a long pause. I wonder what was going thru her head at the time?

    It appears Debbie was suppressing grief.
    2:35 Lawyer says " And is it your desire that they continue with I consid-, what I consider astounding growth and help to the planet?"

    How and why does he consider scientology has had astounding growth?
    5:55 Lawyer asks "You've had plenty of sleep?"

    Cook answers "Plenty of sleep."

    Lawyer says "Probably much more than you've ever had on post?"

    How does he know that? And why would he even bring up sleep?

  18. Sindy

    Sindy Crusader

    Abelson's, "It's showtime" remark in the beginning says it all. If she even so much as hinted at her displeasure it would have been back in the Hole for more gang bang sec checks. I'd be kissing that guy's butt, for the camera, too.
  19. Bea Kiddo

    Bea Kiddo Crusader

    I wish I could get a hold of mine. I am pretty sure it was videoed. I mumbled and shrugged through the whole thing and tried to make it look like I was totally in disagreement with agreeing (which I was). I am sure very few of these are with smiley and happy people. One thing for sure when I boarded that train to leave Scn forever I was beaming from ear to ear.
  20. MissWog

    MissWog Silver Meritorious Patron