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Debbie Cook, Karen de la Carrier and now Mark Shreffler - email going viral?

Sindy

Crusader
The irony is gorgeous, but runs even deeper than you suggest. Communication is the root cause for exposing the fraud, of course, but look at who are largely driving the increasing public awareness: celebrities and the cult front groups - the very communication models L Ron Hubbard claimed would provide the best PR! Over recent years its been people like Paul Haggis, Jason Beghe, and Lisa Marie Presley. Unwittingly, John Travolta and Kirsty Alley have had a part to play and, just recently, in something of a perfect storm, the whole TomKat spectacle. Meanwhile, Study Tech gets thrown out of public schools, the International President of the CCHR Jan Eastgate (AKA Janice Meyers) ends up arrested and charged with perverting the course of justice and, now, another PR flagship bursts into flames as the public gaze turns on Narconon.

Nom nom nom . . . delicious irony, indeed ; )

I was thinking today that I did get something out of the Key to Life in terms of becoming a better writer. Well, look what I'm writing about? Sucks to be them. Hell hath no fury like a scorned truth seeker. :biggrin:
 

uncover

Gold Meritorious Patron
It's pretty clear by now, that reading e-mails is counter-productive and unethical.
That´s nothing really new, as you can see here:
HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
SEATTLE ORG​

ETHICS ORDER #101
7 DECEMBER 2010​

ALL ORGS
ALL MISSIONS
BPI

SUPPRESSIVE PERSON DECLARE
RICHARD AND VICKI (H*****) P*****


Richard and Vicki P***** of Seattle, WA are hereby declared Suppressive Persons.

In May of 2010, it was discovered that Vicki and Richard had been reading websites that carried the enemy line against the Church: websites by the St. Petersburg Times, Marty Rathbun and other whistleblowers speaking out against the Church. It is known that Vicki and Richard have spread these allegations to at least seven other Scientologists, mostly family members.
.....
No Scientologist should attempt to communicate with Vicki or Richard or anyone who is in
comm with them. Scientologists need to create a buffer zone in this manner. The rumors mentioned are so compelling that if they manage to get into the mind of a Scientologist they may find themselves asking questions that will result in the same condition.
.....
Reminds me a little bit to the nazis, they had a similar policy:

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Listen to enemy broadcast even lead to death penalty - note the yellow color:

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TRANSLATION:

Death sentence for broadcast-criminals

In October 1943 the 56 year old Louis Birch was condemned to death by the people court of justice. From the beginning of the war he has spreaded allegations of the enemy broadcast. His activities were more shameful as he tried to influence the wifes of soldiers. With his wicked behaviour he stabed our fighting frontline in the back and therefore forfeight the right to be a part of the people´s community.

Broadcast-criminials are nation-traitors !

They deserve the hardest punishment !

Can somebody of the churchies please explain me the big difference ?

Why do the germans carefully watch obscure cults ?
Because they can easily spot a nazi when they smell one.
 
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NoName

A Girl Has No Name
I'm glad these e-mails are being sent, and I think it will help loosen some of the "glue."

However, the persons you cite are, themselves, close to being "Kool Aid addicted culties," except that it's the cult of Hubbard outside the CofS.

Over the last 30 years, I and others, who were not "Kool Aid addicted culties" of any kind, reached many people, including those as far IN as a person can be.

Your statement simply isn't accurate.

Of course it's possible for critics to reach the still-IN. I think that everyone, regardless of how far IN, reaches a point where the cognitive dissonance is so strong that they are receptive to what critics have to say. My original point was to say that these emails are bringing people to that point much more quickly.
 

Veda

Sponsor
Of course it's possible for critics to reach the still-IN. I think that everyone, regardless of how far IN, reaches a point where the cognitive dissonance is so strong that they are receptive to what critics have to say. My original point was to say that these emails are bringing people to that point much more quickly.

If that was your original point it was only in your own head because you didn't express it. :)

E-mail is faster then old fashioned mail, but no faster than a telephone.

Believe it or not - and I don't know what you were doing in the 1980s - there were quite a few people who decided to leave the CofS after reading an old fashioned letter, or a photocopied newsletter, or having a conversation on the telephone.
 

sallydannce

Gold Meritorious Patron
I was thinking today that I did get something out of the Key to Life in terms of becoming a better writer. Well, look what I'm writing about? Sucks to be them. Hell hath no fury like a scorned truth seeker. :biggrin:

Hey, you're just a bitter unreliable apostate. Just like me! :wink2:
 

Boojuum

Silver Meritorious Patron
It really kills when these overly dedicated lemmings examine and attack the Scientology organization with "standard LRH data".

:hysterical:

I fully understand that finding fault with the crazed Scientology organization is usually STEP ONE of the unraveling process.

But, I laugh and laugh reading this stuff. These people are still SO severely "devoted" to the Hubbard paradigm. They still see and interpret everything through the filters of their Scientology mindset. They are so "KSW"-minded, and all about trying to apply "standard tech". :duh:

For example, Mark says this:

"As you know, it is my contention that standard DOUBT formula applications are no longer allowed in our church."

No longer? Meaning that at some point in the past HONEST DOUBT FORMULAS WERE allowed?

:hysterical:

What a bozo! :duh:

Amen!

Hey Mark!! And what about falsifying stats? OT's with major problems? Empty orgs? Financial devastation to so many Scienos? Broken families? Virtually no auditors being made? 12 year old kids working full time in the SO? Golden Age of Tech? What about the empty Super Power building? What about all the other people who left?


:duh::duh::duh:

Did you ever think how odd it is that Mark could have gotten all of his questions answered in minutes if he'd only come to ESMB?

What kind of philosophy about TRUTH insists that you look for answers only from them. Major stupid.


It took me about 20 years to figure it out. We'll see what Mark does.

Sit back and enjoy the show.
 

Mick Wenlock

Admin Emeritus (retired)
I'm glad these e-mails are being sent, and I think it will help loosen some of the "glue."

However, the persons you cite are, themselves, close to being "Kool Aid addicted culties," except that it's the cult of Hubbard outside the CofS.

Over the last 30 years, I and others, who were not "Kool Aid addicted culties" of any kind, reached many people, including those as far IN as a person can be.

Your statement simply isn't accurate.

The mechanism behind how someone gets out is not known by anyone - what the combination of factors is that gets a cult member to start questioning the control is something that we all would like to have written down somewhere.

And I agree with Veda the statement was inaccurate.

While getting an email or message from someone who a cultie considers another "true believer" might get them to open it and start reading it but if they are "in" then they will stop at the first criticism - because one thing ALL cult members are well trained in is spotting "disloyalty"
 

Panda Termint

Cabal Of One
Random comment:

Lemmings, as they dash towards the cliff's edge, chatter loudly to each other, all apparently chattering the same message, over and over. It gets louder as they near the end of their headlong rush to oblivion.

Possibly, one day, science will allow us to understand exactly what they're telling themselves and each other but I'm betting that it's something along the lines of,

"It's this way! Keep going, we're nearly there!! It won't be longer, we'll all be free!!!"

(or chatter to that effect)
 

Jquepublic

Silver Meritorious Patron
Below is a reminder of the Independent Scientology "reality" - Marty, from his blog:

"...there are OSA operatives throughout the Anonymous network, ESMB site, the Freezone and Independents running backstabbing, covert propaganda campaigns while we are 'tied up' under siege. Just look for the 1.1s using the safe Independent Scientology space we are creating to promote such practices as no-training-needed to get onto OT levels, 'OT I and OT II are of little importance': especially coming from 'Class VIIIs', 'Class VIs' and folks claiming to be 'trained by Ron.' They may as well be saying 'Scientology is a fraud, because after all I studied it all, and violently disagree with the Bridge created by Ron.'..."


Everyone deserves some time to begin to self-de-program.

But let's be realistic.

There's a whole lota' self-de-programin' to do. :)

Paranoia runs deep in the indoctrinated. Unfortunately, having a few people who agree with this perception of his only serves to strengthen his belief.

And as a general comment, when and where I voice a criticism, there is absolutely nothing covert about my hostility. :p
 

HelluvaHoax!

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Random comment:

Lemmings, as they dash towards the cliff's edge, chatter loudly to each other, all apparently chattering the same message, over and over. It gets louder as they near the end of their headlong rush to oblivion.

Possibly, one day, science will allow us to understand exactly what they're telling themselves and each other but I'm betting that it's something along the lines of,

"It's this way! Keep going, we're nearly there!! It won't be longer, we'll all be free!!!"

(or chatter to that effect)


Well....

There is a famous DOCUMENTARY about lemmings:

[video=youtube;AOOs8MaR1YM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOOs8MaR1YM[/video]

This documentary proves unquestionably that lemmings commit mass suicide.

Except they don't.

Hoax Alert!

That was a film done by Disney that staged and cleverly edited the footage to make it appear that they are killing themselves. It is a myth.

Like Scientology, what you see is not what you get.
 

I told you I was trouble

Suspended animation
The mechanism behind how someone gets out is not known by anyone - what the combination of factors is that gets a cult member to start questioning the control is something that we all would like to have written down somewhere.

And I agree with Veda the statement was inaccurate.

While getting an email or message from someone who a cultie considers another "true believer" might get them to open it and start reading it but if they are "in" then they will stop at the first criticism - because one thing ALL cult members are well trained in is spotting "disloyalty"


:yes:

I believe that when a person is ready to leave (for whatever reason) almost anything can be 'the thing' that appears to have tipped them over the edge and onto the road out ... that's why everything that is going on now at the same time is so good.

The cult uses the 'numbers game' to recruit people and critics are (virtually) using the same technique to help people to get out.

Its 'outflow equals inflow' ... but reversed!

Lol.
 

Mirele

Patron
A good chunk of Shreffler's e-mail talks about the gutting of the FSM system. I wonder if he "came to" (at least in part) because his bottom line was being affected?
 

NoName

A Girl Has No Name
Random comment:

Lemmings, as they dash towards the cliff's edge, chatter loudly to each other, all apparently chattering the same message, over and over. It gets louder as they near the end of their headlong rush to oblivion.

Possibly, one day, science will allow us to understand exactly what they're telling themselves and each other but I'm betting that it's something along the lines of,

"It's this way! Keep going, we're nearly there!! It won't be longer, we'll all be free!!!"

(or chatter to that effect)

Wow! That cliff is so theta - let's throw ourselves off of it!

Yeah, so-and-so had such great wins throwing himself off the cliff. It's gonna be so theta when we do it too!

This documentary proves unquestionably that lemmings commit mass suicide.

Except they don't.

Hoax Alert!

That was a film done by Disney that staged and cleverly edited the footage to make it appear that they are killing themselves. It is a myth.

Like Scientology, what you see is not what you get.

I'd heard somewhere that lemming drowning deaths were not because the lemmings were trying to kill themselves, but rather that some of them inevitably died from exhaustion while swimming. I wish I could remember where I read it.....

In any event, if that article was true, lemmings dropping dead from exhaustion while trying to reach an elusive and possibly non-existent goal would have a rather ironic parallel to Scientology.

:lol:
 

Mick Wenlock

Admin Emeritus (retired)
A good chunk of Shreffler's e-mail talks about the gutting of the FSM system. I wonder if he "came to" (at least in part) because his bottom line was being affected?

That probably had something to do with it - getting your ox gored has a way of drawing your attention.

But the one thing I like from his e-mail is his exhortation to those still in to look at their own orgs and see if they are actually expanding.

It is going to be a long slow process
 

Panda Termint

Cabal Of One
Well....

<...snip>
Hoax Alert!

That was a film done by Disney that staged and cleverly edited the footage to make it appear that they are killing themselves. It is a myth.

Like Scientology, what you see is not what you get.
That was kinda my point, lol. The "Lemming Legend" lives!!!
 

HelluvaHoax!

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A good chunk of Shreffler's e-mail talks about the gutting of the FSM system. I wonder if he "came to" (at least in part) because his bottom line was being affected?


Like most things in Scientology, there is a wave of destruction that either follows whatever it touches, whether by direct Tsunami blast or gradual erosion over time.

And Scientology, itself, is destroyed by applying Scientology.

Thus Scientology thinks nothing of taking their own top FSM (Shreffler) and "attacking" and getting rid of them for any perceived or imaginary slight. That scorched earth courtesy is extended to the very pillars of selfless dedication that somehow keep the Bridge scam held upright--such as top money-producing org exec (Debbie Cook), top thug problem fixer (Rathbun), top spokesLiar (Rinder), top Clear Ambassador (John McMaster), top movie director/writer Paul Haggis, top class XII auditor Karen de la Carriere, top management figurehead and "president" Heber Jentzch, top celebrity actress Katie Holmes/Nicole Kidman and a vast list of others who collectively earned billions in goodwill and money for the organization.

How easy would it have been for the CoS to keep Shreffler bringing in millions of selectees' hard-earned cash? This easy......

* Give him a piece of paper that says Kha-Kahn. (cost $ 00.02)

* Award him a shiny medallion at a gala event that says Freedom Medal of Dissemination. (cost $ 25.00)

* Don't change his sales commission structure that keeps him bringing in millions and recruiting others who then bring in millions (cost $ 00.00)​

Total Cost= $25.02

Instead they freaked out when Shreffler started nosing around in their other lucrative money-scams (IAS, Ideal Orgs, Books To Libraries, SuperPower, etc...) when for $25.02 they could have kept him operating on the Bridge to OT money scam.

But, one wonders, how could they have settled Shreffler down, because he didn't like when the other church money scams were cutting in on his particular money scam? That would have been easy too.

All they would have had to do was bond him and give him a super-confidential briefing where they would tell him a bunch of lies about how "the field" had been destroyed by SPs (now out of the church) during the utter destruction of the mission network and how the many money raising programs are a necessary evil ("greatest good") designed to accumulate enough cash/assets to run Scientology for 30 years ( the same amount of time that it took for that field to build itself from 1950 to 1980) until that "3rd Dynamic Engram" was vanquished without. Then they could have shown him some LRH advices that talked about how Scientology can only survive it it has enough cash reserves to operate for 30 years in the event of a war or economic crash. After all that started to bring Shreffler's ARC and KRC up (even though he would still have troubling questions) they would invite him to be the Chairman of the newly created "Field Staff Renaissance Program" where "all the successful actions of FSMing that Ron had created would be brought back to their former glory. That would have "rehabbed" Shreffler (at no additional cost) and he would be charged with the sacred duty of bringing the "Field Revenues" up to the same level of income as is being generated from the other Donation Programs, at which time those "emergency programs" could be phased out.

This might sound very wacky to some people reading it, but it would work like a charm because all Shreffler really wanted was to "Clear the planet" by talking about how great Scientology is to people and getting them to pay money. He would have been good-to-go for another 5 years at least with the new dream that he personally was helping Ron and mankind. If his reverie was broken at any point, they could have simply given him a new briefing and told him that "an OT works best with other OTs" and that not only should he recruit PCs (FSMing) but should also widen his "sphere of responsibility" to additionally recruit more Field Renaissance Ambassadors like himself to help his fledgling program.

The bottom line is that Scientologists can be made to do just about anything by telling them fanciful stories about OT and planetary salvaging.

Does anyone doubt that if Shreffler's would still be shilling for COS (knowingly or unknowingly) if he had been given the Tom Cruise Super-Lovebomb, Super-VIP, Super-We-Need-Your-Help-To-Save-The-Planet treatment?
 

Nurse Pinch

Patron with Honors
SNIP

HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
SEATTLE ORG

ETHICS ORDER #101
7 DECEMBER 2010

ALL ORGS
ALL MISSIONS
BPI

SUPPRESSIVE PERSON DECLARE
RICHARD AND VICKI (H*****) P*****


Richard and Vicki P***** of Seattle, WA are hereby declared Suppressive Persons.

In May of 2010, it was discovered that Vicki and Richard had been reading websites that carried the enemy line against the Church: websites by the St. Petersburg Times, Marty Rathbun and other whistleblowers speaking out against the Church. It is known that Vicki and Richard have spread these allegations to at least seven other Scientologists, mostly family members.
.....
No Scientologist should attempt to communicate with Vicki or Richard or anyone who is in
comm with them. Scientologists need to create a buffer zone in this manner. The rumors mentioned are so compelling that if they manage to get into the mind of a Scientologist they may find themselves asking questions that will result in the same condition.

END SNIP.


That SP declare is a joke right? Seriously... its gotta be fake... isn't it ?!?
 

Thrak

Gold Meritorious Patron
That probably had something to do with it - getting your ox gored has a way of drawing your attention.

But the one thing I like from his e-mail is his exhortation to those still in to look at their own orgs and see if they are actually expanding.

It is going to be a long slow process

Swelling is more probable.
 

Sindy

Crusader
That probably had something to do with it - getting your ox gored has a way of drawing your attention.

But the one thing I like from his e-mail is his exhortation to those still in to look at their own orgs and see if they are actually expanding.

It is going to be a long slow process

Yes. "Look around your org and ask yourself: Is it expanding?" would have been a nice tl:dr version of the wall of text I personally didn't feel like digesting. :)
 
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