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Re: Debbie, Mike and Marty ... (amongst others)
Do you wear red dresses?
Do you wear red dresses?
We can only hope ...
We can only hope ...
Do you wear red dresses?
Infinite: What "Marty's blog says" and reality are not always aligned.
Tr-4: I really got that thing you said, whatever you're talking about, I really really really duplicate you in the fullest sense of everything that is standard and ethical for the greatest good. Okay? Okay? Okay? Nowwwwwww.....I will repeat the auditing question: DOES ANYONE ACTUALLY KNOW IF MARTY GAVE THE DONATION MONEY HE RAISED TO DEBBIE COOK? :big grin:
I'm warning you people, we are going to keep you here all night if you don't start answering my questions.
To those who haven’t and wish to contribute, you can do so at Debbie’s personal webpage (see donate to legal defense fund notice in upper right hand margin): Debbie’s legal defense fund.
Tr-4: I really got that thing you said, whatever you're talking about, I really really really duplicate you in the fullest sense of everything that is standard and ethical for the greatest good. Okay? Okay? Okay? Nowwwwwww.....I will repeat the auditing question: DOES ANYONE ACTUALLY KNOW IF MARTY GAVE THE DONATION MONEY HE RAISED TO DEBBIE COOK? :big grin:
I'm warning you people, we are going to keep you here all night if you don't start answering my questions.
Ok, ok!
You really impinged on me, HH!
So I will try to answer your question!
It goes like this:
Marty collected money for Debbie.
Debbie created a website with Donate button.
Marty may or may not clicked that button.
So as many other, Scientologists, Indies, Freezoners,
Ex-Scientologists, Anons, wogs.
No one really knows. Yet.
But OK - lets take YOUR hopeful view. Let's say Debbie gets the agreement annulled.
What happens next?
a priori:
I refer you to Sea Org Motto #!
"Didja Get the Money?"
That's a good question.
To me, personally, it almost doesn't matter if she wins or loses. The noise and the bad PR generated for COS will be the same regardless.
The big problem the church has with this, IMO, is that everything that Debbie wrote in her email is an observable fact for anyone who is onlines at an org. It's not the same as Int execs in the Hole or DM beating people up. There's not the same "he said she said" about it.
People get sucked dry for money as soon as they step foot into an org. If you have been in an org any time in at least the last 20 years, you know that.
The church can sue her for saying that. They may win. They may lose. It doesn't change the fact that it's the truth, it happens, and everyone knows it.
I definitely don't disagree with you about Debbie Cook, Mick. To me, she's not really the point of any of this.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Scientology-tiff-hits-Bexar-court-2996788.php
Pouw said Cook has been expelled from the church and never held an important post.
This is the kind of shit this is generating that I'm talking about. Now how can anyone deny that Cook held an important post? Even the most dedicated Scientologist has to feel a little...uncomfortable about statements like this.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Scientology-tiff-hits-Bexar-court-2996788.php
Pouw said Cook has been expelled from the church and never held an important post.
This is the kind of shit this is generating that I'm talking about. Now how can anyone deny that Cook held an important post? Even the most dedicated Scientologist has to feel a little...uncomfortable about statements like this.
All donations made at this blog will be transfered to Debbie’s defense fund. All future donations to the defense of Wayne and Debbie should be made directly to Debbie’s site.
I was wondering what you were on about, because I could have sworn that the statement was here:
http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2012/02/02/beyond-the-pale-of-what-a-human-being-should-endure/
Before I start suggesting anything....
Did anyone else see a statement along the lines of....I have transferred all the money collected here to Debbie's own collection point at her website and in future all donations must go directly there .....?
Just before this -
It seems odd I would read so much into the words I quoted above.
Natalie, did you see it too?
Edit: The reason I started this post was to quote the paragraph. I hit reply to thread, opened up the shack and...where is it?... That is how sure I was that it was there.
That's because the statement you are remembering was under another post.
On his Flag Services Org vs Debbie Cook, (here http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2012/01/31/flag-services-org-inc-v-debbie-cook/
Marty says:
I think he's put up so many posts so quickly, on a variety of subject, (Marty = Alamo hero anyone?) his offhand, aside about the funds quickly got lost in the fray.
If they had not been in contact before, Marty's plan of dangling money in front of her face to join the team worked. I have a hunch she was solo (or at least had nothing to do with Marty)at first, given Martys behavior when the letter first circulated. I think Marty had made several ovetures to Debbie since she moved to Texas and had been given the cold shoulder. Marty doesn't take kindly to the non-ass kissing kind.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Scientology-tiff-hits-Bexar-court-2996788.php
Pouw said Cook has been expelled from the church and never held an important post.
This is the kind of shit this is generating that I'm talking about. Now how can anyone deny that Cook held an important post? Even the most dedicated Scientologist has to feel a little...uncomfortable about statements like this.
But Lulu you and I know that most on line scientologists will go out of their way to NOT read that.
And yes the public do know about being regged - if they are public they KNOW how they have been treated.
But they still go to the CofS.
Maybe this will be the dissonance that breaks the spell for some people, if it does then something good will have come out of it.
Cook never held an important post <==> Tom Cruise is the world's most dedicated Scientologist
QED
Rd00
When I was at ITO in the Hollywood Guarantee Building, most of the HGB orgs were labelled "Upper Middle Management." The FOLOs were "Lower Middle Management." Int was "Top [Int] Management," aka "Senior Management." OSA Int (Karin's org) was considered in with the Int peeps, not the Upper-Middle peeps, although they shared the same building. The planet's service orgs were in the lowest echelon, although FSO and FSSO were above the rest.
Debbie was in my courseroom very briefly in the early 90s.
So for the 5000 people on the planet familiar with the Command Channels booklet, Karin Pouw's statement makes sense. For the rest, well. . . .
Paul
The newspaper article says, "Pouw said Cook has been expelled from the church and never held an important post." The article did not directly quote Pouw. Pouw's words were that Debbie had “never held a senior management position.”
I'll just quote a post I made on another thread: