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Debbie Cook - the story behind the story

Discussion in 'Debbie Cook' started by Free to shine, Aug 5, 2015.

  1. BunnySkull

    BunnySkull Silver Meritorious Patron

    What? No, just no. But exactly where do you think "DM's pocket" comes from anyway? The entire cult coffers is his freaking pocket as he has demonstrated for three decades of spending tens of millions, probably more, on whims to destroy, harass and monitor everyone he fears, not to even get into his own living expenses and offices/homes which he has done and redone several times till he stops throwing fits about it.

    NOT one thin dime will ever come out of "DM's pocket*" for any type of legal representation of any kind while he is head of the cult, employed by the cult or even if he leaves the cult - most CEO's have that clause in their contracts. ALL legal expenditures and representations of Miscagive are and will be paid for by the cult, without question. Of course, DM's pocket is actually all the IAS reserves and all the money in the banks and off-shore accounts belonging to the CoS, it is his personal piggy bank and every last cent of it would be spent to ensured DM never sees the witness stand or inside of a prison cell if that's what it took.
  2. Billy Blinder

    Billy Blinder Patron with Honors

    don't confuse CEO's of a business with a religion that the COS/DM can play as a card. CEO's of a business cannot play the religion card.
  3. Billy Blinder

    Billy Blinder Patron with Honors

    thanks, I know the history.

    I apologize to DB, I had my "Falling Down" day, well, actually it's been about a week. It's a great movie to watch, we all have our "Falling Down" days. LOL
    Last edited: Aug 8, 2015
  4. degraded being

    degraded being Sponsor

    No need to apologise. I think my original questioning was itself, a bit "picky" - :)
  5. ILove2Lurk

    ILove2Lurk Lisbeth Salander

  6. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    That is a position taken by some recent historians. People closer to the time had different opinions.

    For example, Golda Meir, then Israelís Minister of Foreign Affairs, delivered a eulogy on behalf of the nation of Israel to the United Nations, :
    WTF did you expect him to do? Lead a charge with his Swiss Guards against the Germans? As it stands thousands of Catholic priests died in the concentration camps. Let's say Pope Pius did a radio address condemning Hitler? What response would you have expected? The Germans would have stormed the Vatican and put every Catholic priest in Europe in the camps.
  7. BunnySkull

    BunnySkull Silver Meritorious Patron

    I'm not confusing anything, most high ranking CEO's have what's termed a golden parachute, but DM has a entire B52.
  8. chipgallo

    chipgallo Patron Meritorious

    Probably better to start another thread and not hijack the Cook one. I would be happy to delete my comment if that helps [but I can't edit it now].
    Last edited: Aug 9, 2015
  9. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    I think thread meandering is to be expected, the Cook issue is pretty much done... for now.
  10. Billy Blinder

    Billy Blinder Patron with Honors

    if that were true, you should probably include Mike, Marty and Ray Jeffrey in that photoshoot. :confused2:
  11. Gizmo

    Gizmo Rabble Rouser

    Did Debbie do some bad shit while she was in the SO ?
    From my view : Absolutely, she did ! Oh, so did many others, too - some less, some more.

    Did Debbie get given some bad shit while she was in the SO ? Same answer as above.

    Did Debbie take a pay off ? Same answer as above.
  12. BunnySkull

    BunnySkull Silver Meritorious Patron

    Why in the world would you say that??

    Rinder, nor Rathbun, has taken any payoff from the cult as of yet and continue to speak their mind. (Well in Marty's case he's had to be careful the last few months but only because his wife is suing the cult, which is pretty bad ass and the opposite of taking a payoff.)

    Jeffery is an attorney, he's never been a Scientologist, yet he had the spine of steel to take on the cult to represent Debbie and others against the litigation machine that has kept most lawyers from touching a scientology case with a 10 foot pole. (With a handful of very exceptional and very rare lawyers who have suffered greatly for their work.) Jeffery above all deserves insane major kudos, not any finger pointing about "pay-offs" or being part of a criminal enterprise. He never did any dirty work for the cult, or had any involvement at all, he was just a Texas attorney who had taken the rare step and helped fight against the evil organization that is Scientology when they have tried to silence, harass or fuck with former members (Debbie Cook) or employees (like the PIs that followed Pat Broker for two decades and spilled the beans on their work) or innocent victims (Mosey).
  13. Billy Blinder

    Billy Blinder Patron with Honors

    I didn't mean it from the point of view they also got a pay-off, I meant from the view that they convinced her to take the settlement.

    Have you not read Mike Rinders original post linked in the OP? :confused2:

    Here's a snip:

  14. degraded being

    degraded being Sponsor


    Unless I have misread, Marty was part of Debbie Cook's legal team, as an adviser. He had to bow out on some aspects of the settlement procedure. I assume that was demanded by CoS. However, as an important adviser to Jeffrey and Cook, I assume Marty got paid. If he did, he would have had some financial interest in whether Cook should settle or not.
  15. This is NOT OK !!!!

    This is NOT OK !!!! Gold Meritorious Patron

    Late to the thread, but I'm curious....

    Because she took a settlement, she can't write more about Scientology?

    Can she be called as a witness in a civil case such as Garcia? Perhaps not.

    But what about a federal case?

    Under what circumstances could she be FORCED to testify, regardless of any nondisclosure agreements?

    Anyone know?
  16. Lone Star

    Lone Star Crusader

    Let me take a stab at answering this:

    -Probably none
  17. Mick Wenlock

    Mick Wenlock Admin Emeritus (retired)

    I am not sure about that - I did read or someone sent me that I read , that a gag order for a civil case does not mean that someone cannot be called to testify as a witness in a criminal case. But I am far from a lawyer...
  18. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    You're such a cynic. I doubt that personal financial reward had anything to do with the "take the settlement" advice given by Marty, Mike and Marc.
  19. AnonLover

    AnonLover Patron Meritorious

    According to legendary cult attorney Paul Morantz of rattlesnake-in-the-mailbox fame, there are two ways to legally break a gag order:

    1. Reporting a crime to the police or other law enforcement agencies.
    2. Being subpenaed to give a deposition under oath.

    Added bonus - in one of the early Scientology vs. IRS FOIA court cases, the IRS won the right to be considered a law enforcement agency when it comes to fraud investigations.
  20. degraded being

    degraded being Sponsor

    You're such a rosey tinted pastsy!