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Debbie Cook - the story behind the story

Discussion in 'Debbie Cook' started by Free to shine, Aug 5, 2015.

  1. Billy Blinder

    Billy Blinder Patron with Honors

    I'm not sure why you think that. Care to explain why Panda is a pasty?
  2. degraded being

    degraded being Sponsor

    No. Two strikes is the limit. Match even.
  3. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

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  4. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    What about responding to the actual content of my post?

    Do you have any actual information to back up your allusion that Marty's actions in advising Cook to "take the settlement" were somehow motivated by personal gain or are you just making shit up? :confused2:
  5. Lone Star

    Lone Star Crusader

    Oh yeah? Well what know...uh...responding to the...uh...actual content of his shit? Mmmmmm?

    He took the trouble to make it up and everything ya know.

    Mister Man. All high and mighty. Pffft!
  6. degraded being

    degraded being Sponsor

    You called it an allusion. I don't think it is exactly that, but it's near enough I guess. Now, your criticism is why didn't I respond to your........your what? Your opinion? You just gave an opinion, with nothing to back it up, but criticise me for making a comment. Note that i did not claim that Marty did anything. I just pointed out part of the reality of the overall situation. This apparently makes me a 'cynic'. Perhaps I am, but that is irrelevant. You used it as an ad hom. Since you did that, I decided to throw something of equivalence back at you --.

    There are other things that a 'cynic' could say about other possible benefits Marty could have derived from advising D. Cook to settle. I don't claim to know his motives and you haven't shown that you do either. Questioning motives of people who are in a situation like the one that Marty was in, in the settlement process, is healthy IMO.
  7. Lone Star

    Lone Star Crusader

    Yeah Panda! Just......Yeah! :p

    Okay, that aside....I'm still having a hard time believing that Marty really advised her to settle. I believe that Rinder probably did, but still scratching my head on the Marty doing so. I keep getting the feeling that this is a spin.

    But, who knows? Cognitive dissonance is active in both the Scilon and Ex-Scilon world.
  8. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    I guess he told me, eh? :hysterical:
  9. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    Surely in a court of Law. She signed NDOs on leaving CO$ and DM thought his
    wishes werer senior to the law of the land. Yet she testified.
  10. chipgallo

    chipgallo Patron Meritorious

    According to this reference, a court-ordered subpoena usually will trump an NDA. Scroll down to "the exclusions from what must be kept confidential."
  11. Billy Blinder

    Billy Blinder Patron with Honors

    from an earlier tread:

    These Emails by DC to COS are important, as posted in this linked repeated from above links:
  12. Anonycat

    Anonycat Crusader

    Marty took up a collection of thousands of dollars at his blog, for her legal defense, unbeknownst to her. That tells me that he was hoping to help her lawyer-up. And, Marty knows that the cult will bring in a team of lawyers and try to drag it out for as long as possible. The incentive to settle is there, and built-in to meeting the cult in court.
  13. Anonycat

    Anonycat Crusader

    No. Real churches have a legal department, usually regional.
  14. Billy Blinder

    Billy Blinder Patron with Honors

    as far as I'm concerned, if I did not receive that email, why I'd still be in the COS following DM's command intention.

    All of the rest of this speculation is beyond me nor do I care about the speculation of her getting a pay-off or not or was it just or not or she needs to do more.

    From a selfish point of view, that email got me to LOOK and research, and it got me to then tell others to look and research. And then it's up to the person to look and decide, all the while being under the radar.
  15. degraded being

    degraded being Sponsor

    I don't think anyone is arguing against you, that Cook helped you and many others by writing the email.

    You seem to see it as an either-or thing.....If she helped you and others personally, then that is all there is to say or enquire about Cook's settlement. There are lots of things to think about, if anyone wants to, in addition to the fact that she helped people.
  16. Billy Blinder

    Billy Blinder Patron with Honors

    As I said, she got me to Look. No doubt you have. But time matches on, and things need repeating.

    For what does the COS do in their endless repeating of promo and letters to CF and Promo out stat at low cost?

    You get it, or are you thick? Stop with the stupid questions, LOL

    It works both ways, get it?

    There are new members here all the time. Get it or are you thick?
  17. degraded being

    degraded being Sponsor

    My post was not meant to be confrontational or insulting in any way. In the first sentence I was making an effort to say I get where you're coming from.
  18. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    Certainly it is a huge number of which many are found in the detailed stories of ex-scientologist...and which certainly can be seen as torts and crimes under the laws of many nations

    POINTS to the beginning of the whole 65 years of fraudulent claim of a bridge to get to the Non-extant states

    I suggest it will only drop when enough lawmakers, law enforcement and departments of justice are not being manipulated through PR, Blackmail and unscrupulous mis-use of the legal and justice systems or if we will call it for what it is... fear tactics and even psycho-political-financial terrorism. Perhaps Santa Claus and his merry little elves are hard at work preparing the shoes for a Christmas gift.

    So ...since Debbie didn't reveal ALL that she knew, but only turned the screws (state's evidence) partially until she got offered clemency from scientology, when will the duty bound government bodies pull the string and obtain and use what she knew and Marty and Mike and others know and take the gloves off and reveal and prosecute in full technical colour. Isn't it their duty as part of the government of the people, by the people and for the people and be effective with the votes and the good will and the taxes at their disposal?

    Surely, just because a whistleblower gets some compensation I don't see any reason for the full capabilities of the government to not follow through, digging well below the tip of the iceberg from Hell and get all the data and evidence from those whistleblowers and acquire whatever restitution is possible for the multitude of remaining victims.
  19. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    I don't think it is fair to claim this is like a David and Goliath. I don't know my history well but perhaps it took more than one battle to bring about the Fall of Rome. And I suggest it is not really fair to belittle those brave enough to take up arms and lead or at the least fight prior the coming legion of a growing army which is weakening and which will hopefully defeat utterly the despicable beast.

    Don't we honour our veterans and compensate them for their contribution even though individually they did not individually win the war but rather gave their best and retreated under the cover and protection of their fellow combatants?

    This is not a praise of all the wrongs that were done by Debbie while under the 'influence' but a recognition of the benefits so many will receive from her email and testimony in court regardless of the underlying motives be they solely self preservation and or co-joined by an awakening and a regained sense of reality and some sort of attempt at redemption.

  20. Billy Blinder

    Billy Blinder Patron with Honors

    I agree with what you post.

    But I do believe HH was only pointing out the paradox of scientology, in general, but with a specific example.

    It's too bad we don't have other high ups in scientology that could send a similar e-mail to the crowd of scientology public. Mike and Marty, and the Headleys all blew and did not sign NDA's nor get $50,000 initial leaving staff proper routing form money. While, of course, lower ranked (unknownable about the actual goings on with DM and only got maybe $500).

    Debbie Cook was in a very unique situation having been not declared, and having many public scientology connections. In essence she had the COS mailing list, which Hubbard said was one of the most important things. And she used it proper.

    PS. In the wog world, companies pay for mailing lists, and companies create mailing lists, all to sell their wares, as you know.