SchwimmelPuckel
Genuine Meatball
Allright, Tin Foil Annie, I think you're on to something actually!As I've been joyously watching the Debbie Cook Saga play out for the past 6 weeks
I've had this continuing thought that we're all being played.
Allright, Tin Foil Annie, I think you're on to something actually!As I've been joyously watching the Debbie Cook Saga play out for the past 6 weeks
I've had this continuing thought that we're all being played.
Time will tell, it shouldn't be too much longer.
As I've been joyously watching the Debbie Cook Saga play out for the past 6 weeks
I've had this continuing thought that we're all being played.
Call me Tin Foil Annie, but knowing how Marty is a big Sun-Tzu and the The Art of War fan (required reading for OSA) and is toadly at WAR with DM, I can't help but feel that this is a well planned scheme by Debbie, Marty, Mike and the Big Thetans in the "Indie" community, in a major attempt to take down.DM. It's just one step in the "BIG PLAN TO END THE WAR WITH DM".
Marty has just been too loud about how Debbie wouldn't talk to him. It was just too well organized on such a short notice. Of course, Marty explains it in today's post about how it all pretty much came together because the Indies are so OT and so awesome, when in fact, my guess is that there was lots of back line planning with only the most trusted involved, because that's how Scientologists, especially ones with OSA training. roll. When I worked for OSA one of the favor quotes was "the best OP is one that is never found out about".
We are all players in Marty's game.
I'm not saying it going to happen in the next few months, but I think that this poster on WWP pretty much nailed a large part of Debbie's and Marty's plan.
Whether Debbie will be the Queen or Marty, the King is yet to be established.
https://whyweprotest.net/community/...aring-update-thread.99943/page-9#post-2053134
Also, Debbie mentions being part of the "biggest cover up in Scn history" I can only imagine that this is the Lisa McPherson case and knows the true extent of DM's and the cults crimes.
What ever it is, she needs to fess up.
Debbie is doing the right thing. But don't forget she's still very indoctrinated and until she wakes up and comes to her senses and takes responsibility for her part in the evils committed on others, she's not to be counted on.
But it is impossible to say what M&M's plans really are.
I've been lurking on this forum, Why We Protest, and Marty's blog for quite some time. My time in the CoS was thankfully short, but nevertheless life changing. And not in a good way. I still have friends and acquaintances in the cult so I find watching it all unravel very interesting, not to mention enjoyable.
The reason why I finally decided to post a message is because I'm getting pretty tired of the equation put forth by the growing Independence Field which is: LRH=Good, DM=Bad. No no no no no no no...... I bet sometimes DM would love to tell these independents, "Where in the hell do you think I learned how to rule with an iron fist? Do you think I invented the RPF? Do you think I developed dead agenting, suing to harass, and fair game all on my own? No you idiots....I learned from the master!" Someone said on another thread that DM is the EP of Scientology. I think that's probably a true statement. In fact I'm sure of it.
I've watched how Marty runs his blog and I can see symptoms of a tyrant. Now he has the right to moderate his blog any way he chooses. But I've seen him rail at anyone who posts something that he doesn't deem appropriate and then ban them. And in each case I thought it was an overreaction. So I believe that if Marty, Mike R., and yes, even Debbie Cook ever came to any power....well, it wouldn't be long before you saw the same abusive traits that LRH had, and that DM has. Maybe not as extreme, but still abusive nonetheless. The "tech" calls for it.
But It annoys me that a cult dweeb like Mr.Rathbun and his domesticated black Ops operative can 'play me'..
I'm quite certain that the 'benign' version of Scientology will decay and become as bad as the current version.. Won't take long either.. Because as we've seen, Scientologists are pitifully incapable of making the kind of internal 'noise' that is needed to keep the organization straight.
Whatever.. It'll be fun to see what the Terror Midget does now.
It's great to observe Miscavage being attacked by Debbie, but the only way he's moving off of the COB post is voluntarily. How is that going to happen?
I'm reminded of Tojo and Hitler refusing to step down, in spite of the fact that the countries were devastated and hopelessly losing the war with citizens literally starving in the streets and the armies unable to stop invading forces.
Abdication is not part of Scientology Admin technology.
This is going to be interesting.
I don't think the CoS as an organization can survive except as a benevolent dictatorship. Hubbard's management "tech" is fundamentally flawed. Without the bullying and draconian measures used to keep the public in line (e. g. the threat of disconnection) it will all fall apart.
While we're being politically incorrect, I've seen some others post about not wanting to go to the extent of the "enemy of my enemy..." with Debbie Cook, or M&M.
I think there is some validity to that, but let's be brutally honest - Harry Truman was willing to break bread with Joseph Stalin when it was expedient to do so. It took a while, but eventually Communism imploded.
So I guess what I'm saying is that if everyone plays nice and cooperates to bring down the Co$, then we can all go our separate ways while Ron's Org, the Freezone, and the Indies fizzle out into nonexistence. I honestly don't think that any of those are organized enough to last beyond the deaths of some of the old timers that are still clinging to the notion of workable tech outside of the Co$.
An organization of 'auditors' doesn't have to conform to Hubbard's goals or procedures for an organization. There is no reason that an organization of people dedicated to helping each other transcend their minds has to limit itself to the proclamations of any one person, nevermind one who was a narcissistic sociopath.
As I've been joyously watching the Debbie Cook Saga play out for the past 6 weeks
I've had this continuing thought that we're all being played.
Call me Tin Foil Annie, but knowing how Marty is a big Sun-Tzu and the The Art of War fan (required reading for OSA) and is toadly at WAR with DM, I can't help but feel that this is a well planned scheme by Debbie, Marty, Mike and the Big Thetans in the "Indie" community, in a major attempt to take down.DM. It's just one step in the "BIG PLAN TO END THE WAR WITH DM".
Marty has just been too loud about how Debbie wouldn't talk to him. It was just too well organized on such a short notice. Of course, Marty explains it in today's post about how it all pretty much came together because the Indies are so OT and so awesome, when in fact, my guess is that there was lots of back line planning with only the most trusted involved, because that's how Scientologists, especially ones with OSA training. roll. When I worked for OSA one of the favor quotes was "the best OP is one that is never found out about".
We are all players in Marty's game.
I'm not saying it going to happen in the next few months, but I think that this poster on WWP pretty much nailed a large part of Debbie's and Marty's plan.
Whether Debbie will be the Queen or Marty, the King is yet to be established.
https://whyweprotest.net/community/...aring-update-thread.99943/page-9#post-2053134
Also, Debbie mentions being part of the "biggest cover up in Scn history" I can only imagine that this is the Lisa McPherson case and knows the true extent of DM's and the cults crimes.
What ever it is, she needs to fess up.
Debbie is doing the right thing. But don't forget she's still very indoctrinated and until she wakes up and comes to her senses and takes responsibility for her part in the evils committed on others, she's not to be counted on.
Well, Pooks, you pulled me right in to going to that thread on WWP. I try to stay away from that place.
One of the gems I encountered:
I sent Debbie a $100. Hell, I'll pay that to watch two monkeys fuck.
It might be VERY much "longer".
The Church of Scientology has always worked in these sorts of things to DRAG THEM OUT endlessly.
I suppose it will depend on which of these two factors matters more to DM:
1. What "evidence" comes out during the trial(s), along with the negative PR that this causes the Church of Scientology.
2. Putting a head on a pike - Debbie's head, thus making a clear example that NOBODY tries to do this sort of thing to DM!
If the C of S actually "gives up" quickly, and acts as if "silencing the fallout" is more important than anything else, THEN it may be that piling on them NOW will push them over the cliff.
For the most part, I am in "watcher mode" - but I do HOPE that this causes lots of chaos that truly tears the heart out of the Church of Scientology! (not that it has any "heart")
And I hope that DM is truly a ego-driven individual with no real concern for his "religion", so that he RUNS with as much of the money as he can (leaving the Church with little to exist on).
Or that hundreds of lawsuits follow for refunds, repayments, IAS funds returned, and lawsuits of various kinds from abused ex-staff and cheated public.
or that . . . . . . :confused2:
Ah, to suddenly fall in shambles - just like the Berlin Wall.
Of course, Scientology will do what it alway has has done before - PERSIST, use Tone 40, lie using PR, never give up, rally the troops with more lies, hire endless attorneys, cause antagonists endless trouble, and fight to the end . . . . . (please, sweet Jesus, have it be THEIR END).
Another large PR probem will be that ALL of it will be played out blow-by-blow on the Internet!