Yes, I wonder the relationship here. How much power or influence is DEBBIE's lawyer giving Marty & the gang? The idea of M&M being the litmus test for who's testimony is relevant or not is a bit disturbing. Want to bet anyone with bad things to say about Scientology itself won't be needed?
I don't like the idea of people trusting M&M to this degree.
What you say may be true ... but not particularly relevant. Bad things about Scientology itself would only touch tangentially on the case. Furthermore, courts are loathe to adjudicate on matters of religious doctrine and rightfully so. And as far as trusting M&M, yes, they have an agenda of their own, whatever that may be, that much is true ... HOWEVER ... there is also a strong commonality of interest here. There are two possible M&M agendas ... either take over the Cof$, or shatter it into nice bite-sized pieces that they can then gain control over at least a significant market share. Either way that means bringing down DM and exposing the abuses. Their agenda may differ with those of us on ESMB in that they may be true believers in the HubTurd and his drek oops I meant tech whereas those of us on here generally seek to expose HubTurd drek for what it is ... but again, that is simply not all that relevant to the proceedings here in COF$ vs. DEBBIE COOK.
One last point ... notice that is COF$ vs DEBBIE COOK, not Cof$ vs. Debbie Cook. DEBBIE COOK is an express trust, created vis the birth registration process of Debbie Cook, where the govt. is the trustee and Debbie Cook was beneficiary at time of the creation of the trust and now a
contributing beneficiary. A beneficiary of a trust has no say in how the trust is run, that is up to the trustee. If a beneficiary is a contributing beneficiary, there are duties but still no say in the running or operation of the trust. That is the status that most of us have today. HOWEVER ... there is remedy. Debbie Cook could, at any time, walk away from her status as contributing beneficiary of DEBBIE COOK, or, since she has the ultimate right ... her status, in addition to being contributing beneficiary, is also that of
holder in due course, and there is no way of stopping her from becoming a
secured party creditor over DEBBIE COOK by filing a lien against that entity. Either way, the Cof$ would be effectively stalemated if not checkmated. Why? Because Cof$ is a corporate entity and operates in the arena of legal fictions only.
Now for those of you who are thoroughly confused, I will break it down to the simple by way of an analogy. You live in the real world of flesh and blood men and women. If someone punches you in the mouth it would hurt for real. If you punched someone else in the mouth it would hurt them for real. But have you ever been punched in the mouth by a cartoon character? Have you ever succeeded in punching a cartoon character in the mouth? Is it even possible in any way shape or form for a live, flesh and blood man, woman, or child to interact with cartoon characters? The answer is generally speaking, that would be impossible. HOWEVER ... there is a technology for animating a cartoon character via computer animation based upon the real time movements of a live actor.
The live actor would don a special suit with all manner of sensors built in that are hooked up to a powerful enough computer. In that instance, the cartoon character animated by the live actor can interact in the cartoon world with other cartoon characters. Now what if the live actor became convinced that he really WAS the cartoon character and forgot that he was a live actor apart from the cartoon world? Not a good situation, obviously, but,
when it comes to the legal arena, that is exactly the state of affairs that most people are in today.
There was a time, way back when, when the common law reigned supreme here in the USA, and that was pre Civil War. If there was a dispute to be settled, it was between flesh and blood men and women and there was real substance that it was settled with ... gold and silver coin. These days, virtually everything is corporate. A corporation is the legal equivalent of a cartoon character, and cartoon characters and real live people can't interact directly. The answer was to create and assign cartoon character avatars, if you will, to flesh and blood people. This avatar, created for the purpose of interacting in the cartoon world of legal fiction corporate entities like the Cof$, is the trust entity I spoke of above. The trust is under the control of the trustee, which is govt. until such time that the beneficiary exercises his or her right as holder in due course, meaning the party that holds the ultimate trump card. This avatar is known as a "person" and if you go thru all the various codes and legaleze, you will see the phraseology of "a person who" or "any person who" etc. The system is designed to operate on the basis of you confusing yourself with your avatar and mistaking the cartoon world for the real world. Once you completely understand the distinction, it becomes possible to exercise your rights and put the system to your advantage. There are two videos to look at ... first is the Menard video, available on youtube for free,
Bursting Bubbles of Government Deception which is to be seen first, and then the Winston Shrout segment of
Zeitgeist also viewable for free on the web where Shrout covers taking control over the entity via lien action.
Bringing it back to the original topic of COF$ vs DEBBIE COOK, when M&M were drumming up support for Debbie, I attempted to post this material in a concise, to the point manner on the Marty blog ...
IT WAS NEVER ALLOWED TO BE POSTED. Most usually, my posts fly on there just fine, but not that one. Because their agenda involves beating the shit out of the Cof$ in a publically viewed arena as opposed to simply binding the beast down with its own chains and quietly walking away from it and going about one's own business. But back to MY point ... the arena where this fight is happening is an arena of cartoon characters and a flesh and blood actor can simply cease animating his avatar at any time or can gain control over the avatar in such fashion as to render the efforts of other cartoon character avatars null and void. Debbie and Wayne need to be made aware of this option. I can understand a perceived need to beat the shit out of the Cof$ in the arena I spoke of, but, if all else fails, the route that I am speaking of here is a great option. It would prevent Cof$ from collecting a dime or shutting her up.
Pete