Declared SP's Corner

TR'SIN

Patron with Honors
Hello and Welcome - Spurred on by my friend, I realized other persons who have been "Declared" might like to express their views on their "Declare".

I was encouraged and then accepted to go to ITO for training in the Establishment Officer evolution for Orgs. Since my folders went for inspection and then I was invited to come on out, it seemed logical that all was well on the western front.

Not so, apparently this has happened more times then any of us knew. The INT level guys have their eyes open for new meat to bring up to the top level due to the high "fall out" rate. (you know the RPF) But, they want those really squeaky clean, know nothings who have never made a peep. And recruit missions are just plain expensive and time consuming. When all you have to due to is cull through folders for prospects.

However, if there is a noisy, KR writing, stat-maker, - send'em on up to ITO and put 'em through their paces and rattle the cages and see if they straighten up enough to send back or else just screw 'em up enough they get out.

The guys before me came back and 2 of the 3 that went out for this evolution didn't make it. One guy was on suicide watch within 2 mos. and the other guy just failed so bad he kept getting busted down and he just left and no one cared.

It was the 3rd guy who sent me out. Yay, I'm finally going to get the real secret stuff (The Esto Tapes - no one outside of Int has) so I can do Eval's and find out why the H-L- our Org just can't seem to keep auditors.

No van to pick me up as promised, no routing form, busy evolution making it impossible for normal course room stuff, SO Tech staff doing Musical Chairs to DM's demand to get the C/S Course packs ready in umpteen languages for the C/S Conference at Flag, trip to the MLO for busted blood vessels in my eye (this was due to an 8 hr flight with a raging OUT-INT and crippling headaches), route to the Medical Doc, picked up by MAA for possible blow (right hand doesn't know what left-hand is doing), told to go on course while waiting for a repair session:)omg:) changed to Ethics Interview, told to go to Qual and wait (2 days due to the what? yep the evolution),Ethics Interview and the final determination that was told to me by the MAA (still mad at me for possibly blowing to the Dr.) YOU ARE AN ILLEGAL PC / YOU ARE NOT ELLIGABLE FOR STAFF / YOU MUST GO HOME AND ROUTE OFF / NOW. All done in perfect automon.

Yeah, I paid for my own ticket, yes I sat around for another couple months while the Org put me in call-in and I was finally told that my folders had come back and the Exec Esto, my senior, was really not sure what to do with me. (His own words).

I began the Leaving Staff Routing Form, couldn't really get anyone to move on it, so I just started doing the steps; paid to have my folders FES'd, got my own auditor to do the leaving Sec Ck, did the Ethics cycle with the HAS (who was sitting at reception, of course) waited, while getting a job and moving for two months until it was obvious nothing would be done, phone calls ignored, appts broken etc. and because I moved out of the area - I just left.

Ask any Ethics Terminal in the old Org about me and they will tell you "Oh yeah She's Declared."

However, when last I checked, IJC has never seen anything on me and there is no issue whatsoever listed, AOLA has nothing, LA Day ORG has nothing, yet in the Org I came from you will find people who say they have acutally seen a Suppresive Person Declare on Goldenrod. Wish I knew what it says for Issue Authority except I have seen it reproduced locally before - right in front of me.

Good Twin says I should call this thread - What Goes Around Comes Around - because I used to get stuck on every Comm Ev imaginable. This due to my Admin skills - gotta love a gal who can tab correctly.

I'd say yes except I now hear rumors in the Scn group that have embellished the story for their own amusement; I stole someone's E-Meter, I caused another to get Declared, I blah blah blah.

What's your Declare story?
Ever see anything in writing?
Did you hear false rumor after?

Let's hear it.
 

Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
I know someone who blew from a PAC org around 1980 and was declared by local issue. I assumed for years that this person was declared, as it aligned with the Leaving Staff policy. In 1990 while I was at ITO (SO for years) I checked with IJC and they had no record of a declare. Because they had no record of it, i.e., it had not been approved on the proper lines, IJC said it wasn't valid. Therefore the person's current status was NOT declared.

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I routed out of the SO in 1996. I started posting on the internet in 2004 and got declared for it several months later, which was fine. I got a polite letter from CJC WUS (I was living in LA at the time) giving the issue number and date. The letter writer said I couldn't have my own copy, but I could go along to FLWUS and see it if I wanted. I couldn't be bothered.

Paul
 

Kathy (ImOut)

Gold Meritorious Patron
My declare is the last part of my story that is posted here. I hadn't seen it until GT got me a copy.

It's all lies. I put footnotes on my declare stating all the lies.
 

thefiredragon

Patron Meritorious
paid to have my folders FES'd, got my own auditor to do the leaving Sec Ck, did the Ethics cycle with the HAS.
WTF!!! You paid for your own ticket and sec check??
WOW!! It changed so much!!! Back in late 90s they paid for my ticket and I left without sec check..
Some of my friends who got offloaded told me that now is very hard to leave.
WTF!!! I talked to some scientologists on FB about it and they said anybody can leave any time.. Full bunch of B.S.
 

TR'SIN

Patron with Honors
Yeah, kinda says it all. I was way too ethical for that group. I tried tovfollow policy and we all know that was just written as a PR Gimmick.:melodramatic:

I feel better knowing I have company on the list here, thanks Kathy and Paul.
 

chipgallo

Patron Meritorious
Some high schooler did my declare. He was at ITO when I was, always hanging around out front of the building. Then he went back to FCDC and wrote up an issue full of errors and exaggerations. I requested a board of review which took one item off and left the rest of the bs on there.

Why have an Ethics Review policy with 34 levels and jump straight to SP declare? The "Leaving & Leaves" PL requires an SP declare, effectively bypassing the other so-called technology. Then of course you are labeling people who got T/A and gains from auditing as SPs, illustrating how fabricated the suppressive person construct is. Is they is or is they ain't NCG? (apologies to O BROTHER WHERE ART THOU?/Homer Stokes).

It's just a rant, continue with your Youtubes ...
 

Mystic

Crusader
I got "declared" (actually set free) back in the early 1980s along with the rest of the :roflmao: "Galactic Patrol".

It was all just a Troll Patrol.
 

Voltaire's Child

Fool on the Hill
I've been declared twice. Once for breaking staff contract- even though I went in and did ethics and all, and the other for posting to the internet. It really is a punitive action.

That's a shame. If CofS were everything it claims to be- if SCN itself was- then it would just be an announcement that so and so has left the club. Groups have the right to terminate membership. BUT expulsions in CofS are accompanied by declares. Declares are ALWAYS filled with lies. They are used to split up friendships and families. Church members are not allowed to associate with declared individuals.

This is wrong and that, darlings, is the understatement of the year.
 

TR'SIN

Patron with Honors
. . . Why have an Ethics Review policy with 34 levels and jump straight to SP declare? The "Leaving & Leaves" PL requires an SP declare, effectively bypassing the other so-called technology. Then of course you are labeling people who got T/A and gains from auditing as SPs, illustrating how fabricated the suppressive person construct is. Is they is or is they ain't NCG? (apologies to O BROTHER WHERE ART THOU?/Homer Stokes)...

I'm with you. Choose your poison I guess. Even while a card-carrying member, it never sat well with me that you would put former parishoners, at various stages of awareness raised and put them in the same catagory as the enemies. :confused2: Just more nonsense.
 

TR'SIN

Patron with Honors
I got "declared" (actually set free) back in the early 1980s along with the rest of the :roflmao: "Galactic Patrol".

It was all just a Troll Patrol.

Hooray! Well there you have it. How are things at the Federation these days.?:coolwink:
 

exsomessenger

Patron Meritorious
I was on staff at LRH Archives as the Estates Sec. I was one of two people in my divison. the other being the cook. When I took over the post there were a number of ongoing projects i.e. building huge underground storage facilities. One of my main stats was Square paces. The main push from my CO and the COB was getting the construction done. Well I was sent out to Trementina to purchase and over see the install of the Gen's that were being installed out there and the finishing touches of the LRH home. Right before I left the Rimforest base I reported my stats, as I was told by the MAA that he would forsure verify the square paces stat B4 two pm thursday. I reported what I thought would be the stat and asked the MAA to adjust it if there were any spaces that did not pass. I then promptly caught a flight to NM. I was out there for a few weeks and got called back to the base. Upon arrival to the base I was escorted by the MAA to INT and the DPF on the reservation. I was told that I had false reported my SQ paces stat and that I was at RTC for clean up.

to make a long story short. I was sec checked and told that I was responsible for another DPF'ers condition. I wrote this up as an outpoint. All of my written communication to my wife was intercepted by Shelly M, i also wrote this up as off policy. I was then sent to the RPF's RPF and made a go of this for a while, after a month of writting OW's. I saw my wife at the INT base while I was doing MEST work and ran to her to say HI. I had not spoken to her in months and was worried about her. SHe said to tow the line and get through my ethics cycle. With renewed hope I carried on. Shortly after I recieved a KR from my wife saying that I had orig communication to her. I blew from the base shortly after.

I was tracked down by the Gold security and R factored that I must return. After telling them that I did not want to I recieved my SP declare in the mail. It had allsorts of high crimes that I had commited.

It is very shocking seeing one of theese things with your name on it. I was very sad and scared for quite some time. My family promptly disconnected from me (over the phone.) It has been 20 years and none of them have spoken to me. :unsure:
 

Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
One of my main stats was Square paces.

I remember having to report that when I was Dir I&R at Saint Hill for a month. It included both Lot 4 wood and that gorgeous sloping lawn overlooking the castle, and I had great fun computing the stat the first week (I didn't trust earlier computations).

I'm vaguely curious what some people (who don't know) think this stat might measure?

Paul
 

GreyWolf

Gold Meritorious Patron
What I heard was that I had been declared and they were not supposed to talk to me any more, however, when they started calling me recently, they said they checked with IJC and I was not. Not that I care.
 

Ho Tai

Patron Meritorious
Strange memory

I'm with you. Choose your poison I guess. Even while a card-carrying member, it never sat well with me that you would put former parishoners, at various stages of awareness raised and put them in the same catagory as the enemies. :confused2: Just more nonsense.

TRSIN,
You reminded me of a conversation I had with an SO staff member as I was routing out on a R/R R/F (ah, the acronyms). I explained how the harm I was doing (getting back some $ I had on "account") was minimal compared to the good I had done through years on staff, high IAS status, OTC activities, Ideal Org donations, etc. Looking at the anti-social vs social personality attributes, I was solidly social. One "anti-social" act would not make me an SP. But it fell on deaf, dead ears.
 

Good twin

Floater
I really like this thread. I guess I qualify for this club....sort of.

I was routed off staff as a List 1 R/Ser back in 1977. I wasn't declared SP, but I was told by Gary Bottorff that only 2 1/2 percent of the population are List 1 R/Sers. That was what he told me as he signed off my routing form.

After that I was asked to come back on staff because it was all a mistake. So I did. Then the next time I had a "handling" with Gary I blew. That time I got declared. Of course I didn't know about it until a couple of years later. Funny thing is I was happily living life and not too concerned with getting up the bridge or being active in Scientology....UNTIL I found out I was declared. Then I got really upset and confused and all that kinda crap so I queried and studied policy and waited for the IJC post to be created and then I requested a comm ev and got myself back in good standing. Yep you guess it...I even eventually got back on staff.

The last time I was offloaded I wasn't declared. I did my last fifteen sets of lowers and quietly drifted away. Eventually I started to connect up with SPs and squirrels and I just couldn't be happier.

So you see now I am actually guilty of high crimes and no one is typing up any goldenrod on me anymore. Scientology justice is a joke.
 
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