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Free to shine

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Denise, a story of hope for you. This little boy knew she was a girl from the age of 4. Her parents have accepted her as a girl and she will not have to endure so much of what you did.

http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8674056
I really hope that link works so you can see the video!

Reporter: Karl Stefanovic
Producers: Steve Jackson, Lincoln Howes

It's the most exciting day in a parent's life - finding out whether their baby is a boy or a girl.

But for some, the answer is not always clear-cut.

Emma Hayes was just five years old when she told her parents that despite being born a boy she wanted to live and dress as a girl.

Diagnosed with gender dysphoria, Emma is among a growing number of children across the country who insist they're trapped in the wrong body.

Now, Emma's parents have agreed to let her live as a girl and have re-enrolled her at the same school as a female.

This Sunday, Emma and her family are sharing their story in the hope they'll create awareness and acceptance.

Story contacts

Australian Transgender Support Association Queensland: www.atsaq.com.
 

JustMe

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Denise, a story of hope for you. This little boy knew she was a girl from the age of 4. Her parents have accepted her as a girl and she will not have to endure so much of what you did.

http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8674056
I really hope that link works so you can see the video!

Oh my! :bigcry::bigcry::bigcry:

Thank you so much for sharing that. I cried and cried throughout it having to stop to catch my breath several times.

I am so happy for Emma. No matter how hard, the fact is her life is going to be so much easier catching this at such an early stage than letting it go as it won't "go away". It never does, never.

And I know exactly how she felt when she could not find acceptance and took that knife to herself to "cut it off". For me it was sizzors in the beginning and later a knife.

I have not told some of the worst parts in trying to come out to my family and the like. I will try to find the courage to really talk about that before I finish with this thread. The pain NEVER goes away.

Thank you again, I am late for work or would have said more here.

When I am back for work I am going to make a posting about "spirituality" for Purple but after that I will try to go into the above more.

I love you!!
 

Free to shine

Shiny & Free
I think it's a very brave story indeed, how lucky she is to have her parents and for them to fight for her.
I knew it would upset you, but hopefully in a good way as it's a story of hope. What you lived with is even more courageous. :smoochy:
 

JustMe

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I have learned so much about who you are. I never knew you as Larry, so for me it has been just getting to know Denise better. And it has been fascinating - like a book you can't put down. I find I am so much more interested in the taste of the reed in the rabbit's mouth than the transgender thing................................

Thank you Purple but I suspect that a full answer to that is a subject better suited to a personal chat amongst dear friends than on a public forum but am going to speak to this a bit here.

I was going to leave out any more public postings on “spirituality” in my life mostly because I did not want to alienate people who might have very different views but also because I did not want this thread to devolve into some big debate on the subject where some people might just argue instead of my just finishing my introduction.

And I guess I did not want to open myself to a bunch of “evaluation” from people who, because they have found something different that makes them soar, feel they must argue that I must feel the same way.

What is so very sad about this world is how people have to fight or ridicule or even kill each other to try to make them have to believe their own “only way”.


So very much of my life has involved people telling me I had to believe what they believed or be doomed. And this would range from Catholicism to scientology (“believe this or be dammed”, “fear this or be dammed”, ”follow these rules or be dammed”, “we have the only way to salvation, all others are wrong”, etc., etc., etc.). To a lesser degree I even found that in witchcraft which also contained some very “preachy” things in which I did not believe “you have to embrace the ‘God’ AND ‘Goddess’, pray to them, find your masculine AND feminine side”. etc., etc.


And while all of these things contained pieces in which I believed, they also contained more things in which I did not believe than otherwise. Yet I was constantly being pressured to follow the rules of one or the other telling myself that there was something wrong with me if I did not. The guilt that was to come from this was for a while pretty much constant as I was day in and day out told how to think and how to act “or else”.

This along with my being wrong in my gender would torment me throughout my life. And worse yet, there has been so much cruelty, death and even wars because of some people trying to force their beliefs onto others. This could range from the arrogant scientologist smugly telling me what is wrong with me, as if they had any clue, to outright license in other “religions” to abuse or even kill because someone was a “non compliant” female or someone was a “non-believer”.

And I find that so very sad.

And it was only when I could escape all this preaching and attempts to control me and my views in my life and find quiet moments alone could I really find what made ME soar.

In this thread I have touched upon here and there things in which I myself believed and which made me soar. For example, I spoke of when I was a child how I would find solace alone in the woods or laying out in the fields with all those deliciously feminine horses my father “owned”. And I mentioned how I would feel one with nature at those times, feel like I could hear all life talking to me, and feel this amazing connection in a strong yet gentle and beautiful feminine power in me and around me.

And my “faery tales” that I told myself back when I was a child and when I was having those “moments” in the woods were that I was a faery, a gentle and loving female faery of the forest. I could see in my mind then a beautiful ethereal world living a life of love and play with my beautiful sisters and being highly connected to a deeply divine femininity where there was no god or goddess you must revere, just “Mother”. And I would think that sometimes we got lost and had to find our way home. And I was just a little lost now.


Such things were my “little girl dreams”, the dreams I would dream when I shut my eyes in the forest and saw all the beauty around me and felt part of that beautiful divine femininity that throughout my life, in my better moments, I would call “home”.


I suspect that for most people such “dreams of a little girl” would be considered cute and they would smile at the little girl playing with her imaginary faery friends. And they would laugh when she would excitedly tell tales of her faery sisters and this special, magical world of which we are all connected in one way or another. “Oh what a cute little girl”.

But here is the thing Purple - in all my years since those magical (for me) days in the woods as a child, I have never felt all that much differently. Never. And with respect to those dreams of a child, all I have gone back and forth on throughout my life is how much of it is metaphor and how much is fact, but never changing the dream.


Maybe it is true that a transgendered person in a way freezes in time as her body goes the wrong way or maybe it is not but regardless I have not aged one day in my views and feelings since I was a child. In amongst any suffering I would feel in not being able to be just me, I also had those “moments” where I really felt a deeply spiritual connection to what I have constantly referred to throughout my life as “my sisters” or “Mother” or “the Fae” or “home”.

I suspect that we all have those “moments” throughout our lives where we feel especially connected to something wonderful, however briefly. And I believe that this connection is unique for each of us, there is no one-size-fits-all connection to what we feel is good or wonderful or spiritual.

And so with alllllllllllllllll the above in mind, lol, I come back to what you mentioned about “the taste of the reed in the rabbits mouth”. And I know you took that thing from my posting #123 where I mentioned some examples of feelings I have had in my life that I could use in my best attempt to show what “femininity” and “divine femininity” meant to me.

Specifically what I said about that example in that posting was:

And in your best moments can you feel completely in tune with nature around you, can you feel what the wild rabbits feel? Can you taste the reed they are chewing and feel how they feel as they taste the sweet wetness inside, can you feel what the trees feel? Can you feel as one with motherhood everywhere, in animals in all forms of life? Can you feel that? I mean just at your very best times.


That was just one of those “moments”.

I was visiting some lovely people in Las Vegas years ago and one afternoon decided to take a drive in the desert while they all had to work. I turned on this stony side road and drove up to where there were suddenly many reeds and high plants, like a small forest. And it had a little pond in it and a small babbling brook running out of it.

At the entrance was a small wooded “boardwalk” and some signs that this was a public park and it told of several animals you might see if you walked on the paths through the plants (many higher than your head) and/or along the brook. So I took a walk in this lovely place with that babbling brook and I was the only person there.

As I walked, maybe every 5 seconds I would scare out a wild rabbit or a roadrunner who would run away from me. They were all afraid of me, as I think they would have been afraid of any human.

But then I had one of those “moments” that I think we all have and everything changed. The animals stopped running away and I just felt this radiance and suddenly I felt like I could feel what the animals felt. And I felt really, really good. One of the rabbits that had stopped running chewed off a bit of a reed and turned and just looked at me while chewing it. And it was like the rabbit and I were so completely connected and I actually got this sweet taste in my mouth as the rabbit “shared with me” how wonderful the sweet liquid inside the reed tasted. And none of the animals there were at all afraid of me anymore. I went over to the reeds and broke off a piece and opened it up to feel very wet, almost sticky and sweet tasting fibers within it.


That’s it really. I do so very much believe that there is this truly wonderful connection not only between us and amongst us but also between and amongst all other life. And that was the sort of thing I would think about decades before that as a little girl in the woods when I also had those “moments” with the animals and with nature. And in that respect I have never aged.


In my heart of hearts I believe that the above is true for all of us, just maybe it manifests itself differently for each of us. That’s just my opinion.

I think many of us share these “connections” even amongst each other such as you and IPT feeling connected with me that night and my feeling the same about you two.

And there are lots of examples of this that we can share over a bottle of wine on my balcony as shown in posting #76 of this thread if you do come here in August. And who knows, maybe we will share one of those “moments”. :)


When I first started posting on the EX Sea Org site that Mick started, I shared a little poem I wrote about an experience of “death” during a solo auditing session when I lived in East Grinstead in the UK. I had one of those “moments” that, again, I think we all have on one way or another. To me it was like going back to what I always liked to call “the Fae”, losing memories of the life I was just living, only to come back quickly, see the room I was in and have to remember everything like what I was, where I was, where I worked, how to breathe, etc.

It felt like I was not “supposed” to die yet.

I’m sure lots of people will have their own takes on this ranging from I am delusional, to it was just the mind playing tricks on me to anything else that is comfortable for them to deal with based on their “religious” or “scientific” understandings of life. I’ve even had one therapist conclude that it was my experimenting with LSD in college (something I would not recommend to anyone) that got me so connected to a “higher spirituality” as a way to explain things like the above and other such “moments” in my life. (That neglected of course that I have had those “moments” as a child well before any drug history).


The only reason I am even talking about this is just to try to respond to you and just to continue to tell of my life in an unguarded fashion, not to try to argue how “right” or “wrong” I was about my feelings.

And this was my little poem of that experience in the UK called “Leaving the Body and Coming Back – A Poem”, that I shared with my fellow EX Sea Org as part of all of us sharing:

http://www.witchvox.com/vn/vn_detail/dt_po.html?a=usnh&id=10723


And while this poem was written after I left scientology and just started writing poems as I was sorting out my life, I was to write it in a fashion that would communicate with scientologists (just like I wrote “A Witch’s Heart” about spirituality in a fashion to communicate with my witchy friends, as per posting #258 of this thread).

And what great insight or “path” do I offer to you or anyone else here? Nothing and none whatsoever. I only offer my friendship, that’s all I got. And as part of it I am sharing my life and views on life as above.

Of all the little poems I wrote while decompressing from my scientology days and just before I was to start speaking out, there is one poem that meant the most to me. I wrote it in part to belatedly celebrate the birth of my daughter and it was called “Birth of A Faery” telling of the death of an old witch and her rebirth in the Fae (her going home). And in the speaking parts of that poem I spoke through the mother Faery as she proclaimed her great joy at the birth of her child. And that was the type of beautiful joy I felt at the birth of my daughter.


What I never shared with anyone though, is that poem was just as much about my thinking of my eventual death. Think of the balcony on my deck with the potted herbs as per posting #76 of this thread as showing that “garden” in the poem and the empty chairs there are for you many of my sisters from this thread. You are the Faeries from that poem and that “garden” of herbs on my balcony is for you and my hoping that some of you might come and visit and join me in friendship out there.


When I wrote the poem I was alone and wishing I had any such friends with whom I could be myself. In you I have found them.

I mention all that to try to set the stage for the very beginning of that poem when I talk about the old witch hobbling slowly past the garden built for Faeries. And while I never plan to try to explain one of my poems again, I wanted to share the above as that poem was in part written thinking of the likes of all of you here and how much your friendship would mean or has meant to me. After all that garden was for you :)


Anyway here is a link to that favorite poem of mine, the one that would include that reference to my dearest friends such as you here:

http://www.witchvox.com/vn/vn_detail/dt_po.html?a=usnh&id=10830


And there you have it. Phew, LOL.

[FONT=&amp]OK, no more detours for me, I am next going to share some actual experiences on my physical transition, most good and some not, in a final effort to introduce myself and in doing so to perhaps help raise awareness on issues involving transgendered people.[/FONT]
 

JustMe

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I think it's a very brave story indeed, how lucky she is to have her parents and for them to fight for her.
I knew it would upset you, but hopefully in a good way as it's a story of hope. What you lived with is even more courageous. :smoochy:

Thank you FTS :hug:

I am so very, very happy for that little girl as I understand exactly what she was feeling and exactly how much that transition means to her. The way she spoke and acted was just how I felt.

And while I can feel sad that I never had that support throughout most of my life, I rejoice in the fact that more and more transgendered people are getting some support (most still don't but still it is much better than when I was young and nothing was really understood on this subject).

In the post office I am fully on public view and hundreds of people see me and interact with me every week. And that alone is worth any pain that might go with it as more and more people are seeing a transgendered person and realizing she is just another person, not some freak.

For example, yesterday I had a WONDERFUL day out with one of my best girlfriends from the post office. We went shopping for hours and hours as this huge and amazing IKEA store and I got some great stuff. Most importantly we had a day together that we both truly loved. But as we rode the two or so hours from up in New Hampshire to south of Boston and later back again, she told me how people whispered to her about me saying I was so nice but was I a man or a woman? My friend ("France") told them I was Denise and was a woman. And the people who asked smiled and said what a nice person I was. And THAT is what gives me more purpose as every week more and more people get to know me and, I hope get a better understanding of and compassion for transsexuals in general.

I feel like I am helping the cause but just being a nice person with whom hundreds of people a week meet and chat.

So that is kind of cool and that makes me happy.

And don't worry about the crying stuff. I cry easily for happy or sad things, but by far mostly happy. Hellooooooooooooooooo hormones LOL
 

JustMe

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...............For example, yesterday I had a WONDERFUL day out with one of my best girlfriends from the post office. We went shopping for hours and hours as this huge and amazing IKEA store and I got some great stuff.......

Here are a couple of pics showing some of what we got.

This first is another one of my fireplace. OMG the mantel is getting really crowded after bringing home a couple more items from Nancy's and shopping at IKEA yesterday. And I have still not hung the two paintings. :omg:

What we got from IKEA that is in that picture is that big glass tube on the floor on the left with the branches in it as well as the two smaller glass items with the stones in them and the live bamboo shoot in each. It was fun!!

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And the second picture, below, is a close up of one of the glass items with a bamboo shoot in it:


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What a great day it was with France.

And to think that when I was in scientology as a public I would get reported to ethics for such an "aberration"
 

JustMe

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It just occurred to me now at 3:50 in the morning that by now anyone who has read much of this thread has pretty much been introduced to me rather than the person I appeared to be when I was exposing abuses within organized scientology.

At this point I could go on and on for pages and pages telling you about this amazing (for me) journey in this transition. Some of it has been funny and some very hard. Some has been truly liberating. It has been lifesaving for me, giving me a degree of freedom to be myself that was to elude me my entire life. I could not even imagine going back even one step. That would be unbearable to me.


And all that has given me a reason to go on that was for myself and not just for others.


And while it might be interesting to those curious about the subject of gender transition or even just my own journey on this transition, I don’t think that information is necessary to getting a better idea of who I am. It would just be “chat” and no longer an introduction.


Therefore, I suspect that perhaps this thread has run its course.

I really and deeply appreciate anyone who has read this thread and/or has given me their support and/or love as part of this thread.

And because of this thread I am so happy to have gotten to know some amazing people that I did not know before and to have developed a deep love of them. :bigcry:


I greatly appreciate how, yet again, some of you circled the wagons around me and gave me your love.

That means the world to me!!!!

For those of you with whom I may never chat again let me say “goodbye” and thank you for being part of this if only reading in this thread.

If this is to be the last posting in this thread let me end it by saying how very much I love you.


And with all my heart….THANK YOU!!!! :love8::biglove::flowers2::heartflower::smoochy::flowers::heartbeat::rose::handinhand::kiss::love2::bighug::cheers::hug::dance2::guyfawkes:
 

Helena Handbasket

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I didn’t then and still don’t really learn by study and have never really been a good student in school or class. Words and numbers have never been my strong suit. Rather I learn by feeling. Through much of my life including my childhood I could feel other people, even often feeling their own feelings. I would feel a fondness for others, even love, and I thought that others felt me like that too. I could not imagine that life and that those that lived life were other than this.

...

I felt that if you try you could feel the trees, you can feel animals, you can feel what they feel , you can understand them. You can actually FEEL beauty all around you. I’ve never really known beauty to be more than a feeling, a wonderful, magical feeling. Maybe I would see a wondrous scene of nature and feel awe. But to me it is the feeling that is beauty, it is the thing that is part of you and that you take with you.

Denise, you say you are an empath. :grouphug:

I am the exact opposite. I am an Aspie. :geekon: I simply cannot understand anything unless it can be put into words (or numbers, etc). I cannot, for example, understand the love of a parent for their child. Not even a bit. :confused2: And fashion is a complete mystery.

I suppose many people have some empathic abilities. But I have little to none.

Life for me is like viewing the world from inside a glass box. I can see society all around me, but I feel like I'm not part of it.

Bless you, Denise, you have a good thing going.

Helena
 
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In present time

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Denise, you say you are an empath. :grouphug:

I am the exact opposite. I am an Aspie. :geekon: I simply cannot understand anything unless it can be put into words (or numbers, etc). I cannot, for example, understand the love of a parent for their child. Not even a bit. :confused2: And fashion is a complete mystery.

I suppose many people have some empathic abilities. But I have little to none.

Life for me is like viewing the world from inside a glass box. I can see society all around me, but I feel like I'm not part of it.

Bless you, Denise, you have a good thing going.

Helena
helena, i have read some of your threads. you're brilliant. don't forget that.
 

JustMe

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Denise, you say you are an empath. :grouphug:

I am the exact opposite. I am an Aspie. :geekon: I simply cannot understand anything unless it can be put into words (or numbers, etc). I cannot, for example, understand the love of a parent for their child. Not even a bit. :confused2: And fashion is a complete mystery.

I suppose many people have some empathic abilities. But I have little to none.

Life for me is like viewing the world from inside a glass box. I can see society all around me, but I feel like I'm not part of it.

Bless you, Denise, you have a good thing going.

Helena

Helena my dear Skype and "Big Bang Theory" friend as you have said to me you are "Amy" and as I have said to you, I am "Penny".

You like to think things through to understand them and I like to feel things to understand them.

You think that some spirits (thetans) can decide to be female spirits and I think that some of us are just plain female spirits.

You have a high regard for LRH "tech" and I have no regard for it.

Yet we are friends and we are joined at the heart and in ways almost no one else knows.

And I love you. :kiss:

Thank you for being my friend. :hug:
 

Purple Rain

Crusader
Thank you Purple but I suspect that a full answer to that is a subject better suited to a personal chat amongst dear friends than on a public forum but am going to speak to this a bit here.

----> snip to save Free to shine's scrolling finger! Phew! I almost forgot about that again!

And this was my little poem of that experience in the UK called “Leaving the Body and Coming Back – A Poem”, that I shared with my fellow EX Sea Org as part of all of us sharing:

http://www.witchvox.com/vn/vn_detail/dt_po.html?a=usnh&id=10723

And while this poem was written after I left scientology and just started writing poems as I was sorting out my life, I was to write it in a fashion that would communicate with scientologists (just like I wrote “A Witch’s Heart” about spirituality in a fashion to communicate with my witchy friends, as per posting #258 of this thread).

And what great insight or “path” do I offer to you or anyone else here? Nothing and none whatsoever. I only offer my friendship, that’s all I got. And as part of it I am sharing my life and views on life as above.

Of all the little poems I wrote while decompressing from my scientology days and just before I was to start speaking out, there is one poem that meant the most to me. I wrote it in part to belatedly celebrate the birth of my daughter and it was called “Birth of A Faery” telling of the death of an old witch and her rebirth in the Fae (her going home). And in the speaking parts of that poem I spoke through the mother Faery as she proclaimed her great joy at the birth of her child. And that was the type of beautiful joy I felt at the birth of my daughter.


What I never shared with anyone though, is that poem was just as much about my thinking of my eventual death. Think of the balcony on my deck with the potted herbs as per posting #76 of this thread as showing that “garden” in the poem and the empty chairs there are for you many of my sisters from this thread. You are the Faeries from that poem and that “garden” of herbs on my balcony is for you and my hoping that some of you might come and visit and join me in friendship out there.


When I wrote the poem I was alone and wishing I had any such friends with whom I could be myself. In you I have found them.

I mention all that to try to set the stage for the very beginning of that poem when I talk about the old witch hobbling slowly past the garden built for Faeries. And while I never plan to try to explain one of my poems again, I wanted to share the above as that poem was in part written thinking of the likes of all of you here and how much your friendship would mean or has meant to me. After all that garden was for you :)


Anyway here is a link to that favorite poem of mine, the one that would include that reference to my dearest friends such as you here:

http://www.witchvox.com/vn/vn_detail/dt_po.html?a=usnh&id=10830


And there you have it. Phew, LOL.

[FONT=&amp]OK, no more detours for me, I am next going to share some actual experiences on my physical transition, most good and some not, in a final effort to introduce myself and in doing so to perhaps help raise awareness on issues involving transgendered people.[/FONT]

Oh, I love those two poems! Especially the Birth of a Faery one, but I really love this verse from the other one:

The more we love
The stronger we get
Hurt others and we won’t go far
Disagree on the lies
Of time, solids, space
And you can be any star.


Because you know that in real life my name means 'a star', too, of course.

I have never really written poetry, except when I was in second grade I was famous for writing this one:

Fog

I like fog.
It looks like white curtains
Hanging from God's throne
I do like fog.
I like to walk in the fog alone.

My sister said Mrs Davis was still reading that out to the second graders when she went through! Lol! But aside from that I used to lock up my pain in songs that were just for me and nobody else. My daughters loved them, though, because they grew up with them, and from time to time one of them will ask me for the lyrics or chords to one of them. They're really simple and basic though, but they are mine. Aside from that I wrote this one poem when I found myself pregnant at just seventeen, so I was still a child really then.

The noontide light falls softly
On their forest hideaway
The cool moss pressing moist
Against his florid cheek
Nymph-like child
Framed gently by her tousled hair
Naked body lustrous in the afterglow
Cradles her young lover as he sleeps
The roses they have gathered
Wound with hidden thorns
Triggering the deadly trap
That Venus springs
Rocked to sleep
Within her hungry jaws

It's kind of embarrassing now, and awfully frilly, but it does show the ambivalence of my feelings, I think. On the one hand I have often said that I would give the rest of my life - all the years I have left - for one year like that one before I got pregnant. But on the other hand, you know, the day the lady from the chemist told me my pregnancy test was positive, the bottom dropped out of my world.

I love your ideas about spirituality, and I treasure your friendship. Regardless of that though, I cannot help but learn from the people around me, and I will no doubt continue to learn things from you.

:love8:
 

lotus

stubborn rebel sheep!


I suppose many people have some empathic abilities. But I have little to none.

Life for me is like viewing the world from inside a glass box. I can see society all around me, but I feel like I'm not part of it.

Bless you, Denise, you have a good thing going.


Helena

Your message and intention is carrying empathy - simply evident.
Shall you have been touched - you feel empathy
Shall you wish blessing to a person - you feel empathy

It may be ressented and expressed a different manner than some people usually do - but it's there - your way!

:yes:
 
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In present time

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Denise, I dated a guy who was born a hermaphrodite. His father was air force, and he was born on the base. The army drs. did exactly what the father instructed, which was to turn him into a boy... sort of. During his teenage years his father had other things done to him when he started to develop breasts. They actually cut them off and put " him"on Hormones.

In a tribal situation this baby would have been designated a shaman, with unusual knowledge. But not in "normal" society.


My friend now spends one half of the year in one town (which I won't name) as a man. And the other six months of the year in San Fransisco, as a woman.


Oh, how I wish you could meet... I always just called him per (short for person). Per is an amazing being. And a living testament to just how much one can endure, though pers story is a painful one that almost no one knows. Per is a talented musician and it shows in the very special music.








Also, I wanted to mention holyclothing.com to you. They have some lovely goddess gowns and you should snap up at least one for yourself. Also, the purple shirt I am wearing on purples thread was made by them. They do very nice designs!
 

Helena Handbasket

Gold Meritorious Patron
My friend now spends one half of the year in one town (which I won't name) as a man. And the other six months of the year in San Fransisco, as a woman.

And I thought I had heard everything! Well why not? The best of both worlds ... .

... a guy who was born a hermaphrodite. His father was air force, and he was born on the base. The army drs. did exactly what the father instructed, which was to turn him into a boy... sort of. During his teenage years his father had other things done to him when he started to develop breasts. They actually cut them off and put " him"on Hormones.

This could actually become quite tragic. What if a child grows up and decides, "they took away everything I wanted, and left me with the parts I have no use for"? These are the "manufactured transsexuals" (quoted from a document called the Glossary of Gender).

Just sayin'

Helena
 
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JustMe

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Oh, I love those two poems! Especially the Birth of a Faery one, but I really love this verse from the other one:

The more we love
The stronger we get
Hurt others and we won’t go far
Disagree on the lies
Of time, solids, space
And you can be any star.


Because you know that in real life my name means 'a star', too, of course.

I have never really written poetry, except when I was in second grade I was famous for writing this one:

Fog

I like fog.
It looks like white curtains
Hanging from God's throne
I do like fog.
I like to walk in the fog alone.

My sister said Mrs Davis was still reading that out to the second graders when she went through! Lol! But aside from that I used to lock up my pain in songs that were just for me and nobody else. My daughters loved them, though, because they grew up with them, and from time to time one of them will ask me for the lyrics or chords to one of them. They're really simple and basic though, but they are mine. Aside from that I wrote this one poem when I found myself pregnant at just seventeen, so I was still a child really then.

The noontide light falls softly
On their forest hideaway
The cool moss pressing moist
Against his florid cheek
Nymph-like child
Framed gently by her tousled hair
Naked body lustrous in the afterglow
Cradles her young lover as he sleeps
The roses they have gathered
Wound with hidden thorns
Triggering the deadly trap
That Venus springs
Rocked to sleep
Within her hungry jaws

It's kind of embarrassing now, and awfully frilly, but it does show the ambivalence of my feelings, I think. On the one hand I have often said that I would give the rest of my life - all the years I have left - for one year like that one before I got pregnant. But on the other hand, you know, the day the lady from the chemist told me my pregnancy test was positive, the bottom dropped out of my world.

I love your ideas about spirituality, and I treasure your friendship. Regardless of that though, I cannot help but learn from the people around me, and I will no doubt continue to learn things from you.

:love8:

Purple I loved your poems! Beautiful, from the heart.

You have been through a lot Purple but no matter what, the beauty and strength in you always shines through.

And I feel the same about you. :kiss:
 

JustMe

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Denise, I dated a guy who was born a hermaphrodite. His father was air force, and he was born on the base. The army drs. did exactly what the father instructed, which was to turn him into a boy... sort of. During his teenage years his father had other things done to him when he started to develop breasts. They actually cut them off and put " him"on Hormones.

In a tribal situation this baby would have been designated a shaman, with unusual knowledge. But not in "normal" society.


My friend now spends one half of the year in one town (which I won't name) as a man. And the other six months of the year in San Fransisco, as a woman.


Oh, how I wish you could meet... I always just called him per (short for person). Per is an amazing being. And a living testament to just how much one can endure, though pers story is a painful one that almost no one knows. Per is a talented musician and it shows in the very special music.








Also, I wanted to mention holyclothing.com to you. They have some lovely goddess gowns and you should snap up at least one for yourself. Also, the purple shirt I am wearing on purples thread was made by them. They do very nice designs!


Wow what a story IPT. My goodness what pain that must have been. I would love to be able to meet Per. And I would love to hear Per's story from Per.

But I especially have high hopes of our meeting some day before long my very special and beautiful "witchy friend" :hug:

Oh I will also check out holyclothing.com for sure. Thank you :)
 
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