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Purple Rain

Crusader
For you, kindred spirit...

[video=youtube;8S2634fNolA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S2634fNolA[/video]

Sister Gypsy
by Blackmore's Night

And she danced through the wood
Like a gypsy girl should
And she laughed in the face of the fire
Under the black velvet skies
With the moon in her eyes
Head held high, tambourine held higher


And she laughed at the fools
Who played by the rules
And she wondered just what would've been
If she set them all free
Into her fantasy
Free to dance through the woods again...


A dangerous game
To know her name
She was wild she was free
She was calling to me
Sister Gypsy we're one and the same...


And she danced through the trees
For those who believed
She was one with the earth and the sky
In a moment she's gone
But her memory lives on
Like a shooting star through the night


I can see her in you
Kindred spirits are few
When you find one you hold on for good
If you lose your way
If your path goes astray
She will lead you back to the wood...
 

JustMe

Patron Meritorious
For you, kindred spirit...

[video=youtube;8S2634fNolA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S2634fNolA[/video]

Sister Gypsy
by Blackmore's Night

And she danced through the wood
Like a gypsy girl should
And she laughed in the face of the fire
Under the black velvet skies
With the moon in her eyes
Head held high, tambourine held higher


And she laughed at the fools
Who played by the rules
And she wondered just what would've been
If she set them all free
Into her fantasy
Free to dance through the woods again...


A dangerous game
To know her name
She was wild she was free
She was calling to me
Sister Gypsy we're one and the same...


And she danced through the trees
For those who believed
She was one with the earth and the sky
In a moment she's gone
But her memory lives on
Like a shooting star through the night


I can see her in you
Kindred spirits are few
When you find one you hold on for good
If you lose your way
If your path goes astray
She will lead you back to the wood...

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Purple, SallyDance, Mary and Freebeing thank you so very much for sharing all those beautiful things.

It means a lot and they make my heart soar with you. You are all so completely lovely.

And Purple it was so wonderful skypeing with you all those hours last night. What a joy it was for me.

You are beautiful in every way.

And here is the song I promised to send to you.

Come join me. I could use some help counting all those bees :hug:

[video=youtube;o-CKOaFyDTw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-CKOaFyDTw[/video]

I love you.
 

Purple Rain

Crusader
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Purple, SallyDance, Mary and Freebeing thank you so very much for sharing all those beautiful things.

It means a lot and they make my heart soar with you. You are all so completely lovely.

And Purple it was so wonderful skypeing with you all those hours last night. What a joy it was for me.

You are beautiful in every way.

And here is the song I promised to send to you.

Come join me. I could use some help counting all those bees :hug:

[video=youtube;o-CKOaFyDTw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-CKOaFyDTw[/video]

I love you.

I love the song, but you knew I would. My ex-partner used to say I talked just like Pooh, and we'd often laugh about some of Pooh's sayings. I have Pooh wallpaper on my desktop just like some of those pictures, and also the theme on my Chrome browser. That can be a bit embarrassing at university, but so far the other students have been quite delighted when they saw it - lol.

So anyhow, I cried when I heard it... of course... but then you understand that too. I would have thought I would have cried enough on Skype to last me for a day or so, but nooooooo! :p Lol!

To me beauty comes not just from the bone structure, or even what is inside - although that is like the lights on the Christmas tree - but the love you feel for the person. Most people would not think the man I loved was "good-looking" but I can't explain how every line of his face was not just precious to me but beautiful - genuinely beautiful. Picture perfect. There is nothing I would have changed. Not a thing. How I see you will always be different from how you see yourself, because you don't get to see that extra layer of the picture. There was no face I would rather have been watching yesterday or no other eyes I would rather have been looking into. It was wonderful. There was no face that was more beautiful to me in that moment. I just feel bad that I kept you up so late, and I hope it was okay at work today with not enough sleep.

Yes, we will find our way back, and count our bees as the sunshine filters through the trees in the woods. Just as soon as I get the honey pot off my nose... a little help, please!! Lol!

I love you.
 

JustMe

Patron Meritorious
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I remember some time before I was in Special Unit but when I was doing corporate work under Special Unit, Miscavige and the then Special Unit IC were about to make a move to remove Gordon Cook who was the Controller of Scientology over the GO after MarySue Hubbard was removed. And they were worried where my loyalties lay as I had come from the GO and was the one who knew the most about corporate controls and they were concerned I might turn against Miscavige and the Special Unit and what I understood to be the Watchdog Committee “WDC” in favor of the Controller’s Office and the GO.

I remember the then Special Unit IC Steve Marlow then asking me where my loyalties lay. And I very honestly said it was to Hubbard and whichever group had Hubbard’s favor I would support. And I told Steve that since it was the WDC that Hubbard supported, I would support the WDC and that was the only reason why I would support them. If Hubbard had favored the GO over the WDC I would have sided with the GO.

In other words it was Hubbard and what I thought Hubbard to be to which I felt “loyal”. I still thought he was everything wonderful that he was promoted to be.

So now, months later I am about to take over as Special Unit IC and be on the WDC.

And it’s almost embarrassing now to look back and see how naive I was and what I thought the WDC was.

For one thing I thought it was indeed a “committee” (which it was not). And it was a committee of the kindest and brightest and most highly spiritual people close to Hubbard. I thought that they were loving like me only even smarter and more competent and it was a committee that was actually helping Hubbard to make this planet sane, to bring peace to it at last so that everyone could be happy and free. I still believed that only Hubbard could make this happen and that this highly secret “committee” was helping Hubbard do that. Oh and I could just imagine those “committee” meetings where people of love would sit and help plan how to bring such peace and love to the world. And it must be an incredible group as it was so close to Hubbard who I thought was incredible.

Good God but I could not have been more wrong!

Upon hearing that I was to be on this committee I wondered if I were smart enough, kind enough, spiritual enough or just plain “good enough” to be on that committee. It would take me a long time to realize that IMO any truly loving and gentle person who truly cared for others was OVERQUALIFIED to work with Hubbard or on that group.

I have spoken and written in the past about many of my experiences with Hubbard and the secret controls of scientology and the Watchdog Committee and so I will not try to go into that detail again. But this thread is in part my trying the best I can to introduce people to the real me ,and not the person people seemed to think I was based on my various talks and writings. So I am going to briefly try to summarize what I discovered about Hubbard and the WDC in terms of my naivety as above and where that left me as I was to leave staff in organized scientology.

When I was to go on the Watchdog Committee (“WDC”) as “WDC X” somewhere in mid 1982, I was to see many of Hubbard’s orders not only to myself but also to other WDC members. Each week I would get a packet of Hubbard orders (called “advices”) to myself and to each of the other WDC members. I would do my best to get done what Hubbard wanted the following week. Then, everyThursday I would drive over to “Int”, the then secret base 90 or so miles east of Los Angeles which housed. amongst other things the senior-most management of organized scientology.

When I got to Int I would go to what was then a small building reserved for WDC members to use for writing reports and compliances to Hubbard. I remember a fair-sized room with lots of typewriters that different WDC members would use to type their reports. And for most of my 1 and ½ or so years doing that I was the only WDC members not under the Watchdog Committee Chairman Mark Yager. The only senior I really had was Hubbard and Miscavige although Marlowe now in the budding RTC would end up being my "senior" and I would make a point of seeing him at Int pretty much each week.

WDC were more or less organized scientology’s “Anonymous”. Almost no one knew who we were. I, for example, would sign orders I gave to others or replies to others as “WDC X”, not with my name. Occasionally I would get the wildest of requests such as Herbie Parkhouse, the busted ex Deputy Guardian Finance of GOWW, requesting approval to graze cattle on the lawns of Saint Hill Manor in East Grinstead. What a riot!

I would also speak at some of the international management events and some other events. For example I was one of the speakers at the second big mission holders conference which was held in Clearwater, Florida. It was the first mission holders conference the year before (that I did not attend) in San Francisco that was to be the completely barbaric one of which many have written. I was never in those, I was used as the “good guy” I guess, was kind to the people and tried to give worldwide good news of such things as “win" around the world such as religious recognitions, tax exemptions and the like. I would speak at int management briefings in Florida, Los Angeles, Tel Aviv and Boston as I remember. I was not known as a WDC member then, I think I was just introduced as “Special Unit IC”.

This was me then, in 1983, with my greatest joy in life, my baby Kimberly. I was wearing my WDC “Commander” stripes and could care less about them. What mattered to be was that beautiful baby. Anyway, here I am that “big ,bad, tough top executive” (NOT):


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I also remembered going to the Int base to try to raise morale of staff there by giving good news briefings, answering questions and just being available to people. I hated standing on ceremony, wearing all the brass and trying to seem soooooo important. I would mingle with staff, tell stories, answer questions and just be a friend. It would be some time before I fully realized I was the only WDC member I noticed acting like that.

I hated the military nature of the Sea Organization. And I always felt out of place there and not just because I was a transgendered woman-in-hiding. And I would see and meet with a number of the biggest “enemies” of organized scientology and never once hated one of them or even thought they were bad people. And this included being the one scientology staff member to meet with and try to extend the olive branch with the then top IRS execs dealing with scientology in their national offices. I don’t remember the spelling but their names sounded like “Charlie Rump”, Jene Gessay and Joe Tedesco. My God but they hated scientology and knew of so many dirty tricks but I was genuinely trying to extend an olive branch and find a way to make peace. And I would meet many “enemies” like that including lawyers, writers, etc. And not one of them was a “bad guy” IMO.

But there really was no good faith on the part of Hubbard or Miscavige who viewed these “enemies” with contempt and really wanted to get them compliant or destroyed.

Here are some of the things I most remember from those times where I was finding out that both Hubbard and WDC were nothing like the idealistic people I thought they were:

The general tone of many of Hubbard’s communications to myself and other WDC members was one of hostility, know best and even at times cruelty.

For example Hubbard ordered WDC members to spit on busted staff at Int, something I could not do. Hubbard also demanded “heads on pikes” and the heads he wanted were of innocent, dedicated staff who at the very worst could not live up to Hubbard’s insane “standards”. I would spend much of my last months on post doing everything I could to get those guys off the hook and to stop terrorists like scientology’s then “International Finance Police” . I used my position to save some of them but it was an impossibly small number compared to the thousands who were horribly abused. And it was Hubbard himself demanding that these people be abused.

And no matter what, it was weekly all about the money. The pressure son WDC were tremendous to get money, more money and more money every week into accounts controlled by management. And it was Hubbard in his orders leading the charge for this demanding constant hard selling of people, getting their life savings, you name it. I can remember going to the then WDC Chairman and talking about what I felt were neglected areas where we could be actually helping people and he would say no way, there was not enough money in it and it had to make his weekly targets.

One of my saddest memories was going to two of the top WDC members asking what were the plans for “clearing” the majority of the population of the world who could not afford to pay for scientology services. I remember my heart sinking when all I got back where blank stares. There were no such plans. :bigcry:






And Hubbard was demanding that all possible money be gotten each week out of all local scientology organizations “before they can spend it”. And the bottom line is the staff in the local organizations were often living in squalor, they had no health care, they could not support their children, it was awful. But no one at the top seemed to care, certainly not at the WDC level, and certainly not Miscavige nor Hubbard. I remember going to the then “WDC Reserves” with attorney Chris Cobb and saying we had to stop taking all their money, they could not live, it was horrible. And we were looked at as if we were crazy for even suggesting it, we were not following “command intention”. But meanwhile Hubbard was getting almost a million dollars a week, often extorted out of innocent victims, for no good legal reasons. It was just being sent to him and I was trying to justify it legally as best I could and trying to justify it morally by saying you could never exchange enough to Hubbard and he somehow deserved all this. This would become harder and harder to justify in my heart as the months wore on.



And yes there were dedicated, really hard working and “tough” people on WDC but what good were we doing really? The world was not better because we or what we ran existed, it was worse. Families were being destroyed, people were being destroyed,



Whatever anyone thinks of me PLEASE do not sell yourself short by thinking I was somehow amazing because I as on WDC. I was not. There was nothing amazing about any of the above.



The closer to Hubbard you got the more crazy it was as he struck out at all he considered opposed his will. He saw enemies in loyal staff where there were no enemies and demanded their heads on pikes. IMO he was insane.



And Hubbard constantly lied to me and others. For example he signed contracts with Ruth Mischall (spelling?) and got some money. But when later he felt he could get more money (royalties) by removing her books and making sure only his were sold he would lie to me saying he never signed a contract with Ruth. Specifically Hubbard told me that the only of her books he even saw was “Miracles for Breakfast”. Yet I ran teams to Ruth and although she was now disaffected from scientology, she produced Hubbard’s signed approvals for her other books. I also spoke with the messenger who actually witnessed Hubbard writing all those approvals, yet Hubbard lied whenever he thought he could get more money. (As a little side note here, years before this I as on a mission involving Hubbard's script for "Revolt In The Stars" where he was willing to release even the supper confidential OT III story to be made into a movie if he got enough money. He was constantly looking for money for himself)



And all who stood in his way were to be sent to jail (as if we could do that). And WDC, Miscavige and the International Financial Police they controlled instituted “gang bang security checks” where multiple staff would scream at some poor innocent victim demanding money or admission of “crimes” that did not in fact exist . And Miscavige et al would try to get you as an executive to participate in such abuses and basically IMO sell your soul and become the horror that you opposed with every fiber of your being. . So they tried to get me to be a part of such a "Gang bang security check" that Author Services was doing to some poor guy who they said owed Hubbard money. I was to walk in, sit down and then see that poor terrorized guy and say this was crazy and walk out. I should have done more to stop it.



Week by week, month by month I was realizing how everything I naively dreamed was so wonderful was in fact a nightmare. Near the end I remember those at the top in WDC and the new RTC staff demanding that declares be written on people who had had no recourse to justice. And the declares were being written weekly on at best hearsay and just to get the weekly “heads on a pike” demanded by Hubbard. One of the last things I remember was being put in a room by the then Inspector General of RTC saying that I needed to be part of this and write some of the declares based on what was iffy, if any, evidence. I remember sitting in a room with Michelle Black being ordered to write dozens of declares. And we could not even write one complete sentence. I remember just sitting there saying “I can’t do that” and I did not write one. But my dream world of goodness was crumbling around me and I was becoming disillusioned to say the least.



Near the end I could not even do my in basket. There was simply nothing that was decent to do. I was part of a nightmare and thank God a mission arrived to remove me. They were afraid of me though and did not try to take any justice action instead putting me back into corporate where I was one very good at "protecting the dream". But now the dream was a nightmare and I could not even do that. My wife and I spoke and decided to leave staff.



The powers that be panicked at me routing out and much was done to try to get me to stay and then for years thereafter to control me. And they succeeded for years through lies and deception. I will cover that next.



Bottom line is that the one and only thing of wonder I was apart of at the time I was on WDC can be shown in the following pictures. There otherwise was nothing spiritual, noting loving and nothing truly decent and wonderful “at the top”. Nothing!



THIS is my joy, much of it in my room in the “Big Blue”scientology building when I was on WDC. It was my only accomplishment “at the top”. This is it, the rest is crap:





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Purple Rain

Crusader
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I remember some time before I was in Special Unit but when I was doing corporate work under Special Unit, Miscavige and the then Special Unit IC were about to make a move to remove Gordon Cook who was the Controller of Scientology over the GO after MarySue Hubbard was removed. And they were worried where my loyalties lay as I had come from the GO and was the one who knew the most about corporate controls and they were concerned I might turn against Miscavige and the Special Unit and what I understood to be the Watchdog Committee “WDC” in favor of the Controller’s Office and the GO.

I remember the then Special Unit IC Steve Marlow then asking me where my loyalties lay. And I very honestly said it was to Hubbard and whichever group had Hubbard’s favor I would support. And I told Steve that since it was the WDC that Hubbard supported, I would support the WDC and that was the only reason why I would support them. If Hubbard had favored the GO over the WDC I would have sided with the GO.

In other words it was Hubbard and what I thought Hubbard to be to which I felt “loyal”. I still thought he was everything wonderful that he was promoted to be.

So now, months later I am about to take over as Special Unit IC and be on the WDC.

And it’s almost embarrassing now to look back and see how naive I was and what I thought the WDC was.

For one thing I thought it was indeed a “committee” (which it was not). And it was a committee of the kindest and brightest and most highly spiritual people close to Hubbard. I thought that they were loving like me only even smarter and more competent and it was a committee that was actually helping Hubbard to make this planet sane, to bring peace to it at last so that everyone could be happy and free. I still believed that only Hubbard could make this happen and that this highly secret “committee” was helping Hubbard do that. Oh and I could just imagine those “committee” meetings where people of love would sit and help plan how to bring such peace and love to the world. And it must be an incredible group as it was so close to Hubbard who I thought was incredible.

Good God but I could not have been more wrong!

Upon hearing that I was to be on this committee I wondered if I were smart enough, kind enough, spiritual enough or just plain “good enough” to be on that committee. It would take me a long time to realize that IMO any truly loving and gentle person who truly cared for others was OVERQUALIFIED to work with Hubbard or on that group.

I have spoken and written in the past about many of my experiences with Hubbard and the secret controls of scientology and the Watchdog Committee and so I will not try to go into that detail again. But this thread is in part my trying the best I can to introduce people to the real me ,and not the person people seemed to think I was based on my various talks and writings. So I am going to briefly try to summarize what I discovered about Hubbard and the WDC in terms of my naivety as above and where that left me as I was to leave staff in organized scientology.

When I was to go on the Watchdog Committee (“WDC”) as “WDC X” somewhere in mid 1982, I was to see many of Hubbard’s orders not only to myself but also to other WDC members. Each week I would get a packet of Hubbard orders (called “advices”) to myself and to each of the other WDC members. I would do my best to get done what Hubbard wanted the following week. Then, everyThursday I would drive over to “Int”, the then secret base 90 or so miles east of Los Angeles which housed. amongst other things the senior-most management of organized scientology.

When I got to Int I would go to what was then a small building reserved for WDC members to use for writing reports and compliances to Hubbard. I remember a fair-sized room with lots of typewriters that different WDC members would use to type their reports. And for most of my 1 and ½ or so years doing that I was the only WDC members not under the Watchdog Committee Chairman Mark Yager. The only senior I really had was Hubbard and Miscavige although Marlowe now in the budding RTC would end up being my "senior" and I would make a point of seeing him at Int pretty much each week.

WDC were more or less organized scientology’s “Anonymous”. Almost no one knew who we were. I, for example, would sign orders I gave to others or replies to others as “WDC X”, not with my name. Occasionally I would get the wildest of requests such as Herbie Parkhouse, the busted ex Deputy Guardian Finance of GOWW, requesting approval to graze cattle on the lawns of Saint Hill Manor in East Grinstead. What a riot!

I would also speak at some of the international management events and some other events. For example I was one of the speakers at the second big mission holders conference which was held in Clearwater, Florida. It was the first mission holders conference the year before (that I did not attend) in San Francisco that was to be the completely barbaric one of which many have written. I was never in those, I was used as the “good guy” I guess, was kind to the people and tried to give worldwide good news of such things as “win" around the world such as religious recognitions, tax exemptions and the like. I would speak at int management briefings in Florida, Los Angeles, Tel Aviv and Boston as I remember. I was not known as a WDC member then, I think I was just introduced as “Special Unit IC”.

This was me then, in 1983, with my greatest joy in life, my baby Kimberly. I was wearing my WDC “Commander” stripes and could care less about them. What mattered to be was that beautiful baby. Anyway, here I am that “big ,bad, tough top executive” (NOT):


SpecialUnitandWDC1983_zps68d555bc.jpg




I also remembered going to the Int base to try to raise morale of staff there by giving good news briefings, answering questions and just being available to people. I hated standing on ceremony, wearing all the brass and trying to seem soooooo important. I would mingle with staff, tell stories, answer questions and just be a friend. It would be some time before I fully realized I was the only WDC member I noticed acting like that.

I hated the military nature of the Sea Organization. And I always felt out of place there and not just because I was a transgendered woman-in-hiding. And I would see and meet with a number of the biggest “enemies” of organized scientology and never once hated one of them or even thought they were bad people. And this included being the one scientology staff member to meet with and try to extend the olive branch with the then top IRS execs dealing with scientology in their national offices. I don’t remember the spelling but their names sounded like “Charlie Rump”, Jene Gessay and Joe Tedesco. My God but they hated scientology and knew of so many dirty tricks but I was genuinely trying to extend an olive branch and find a way to make peace. And I would meet many “enemies” like that including lawyers, writers, etc. And not one of them was a “bad guy” IMO.

But there really was no good faith on the part of Hubbard or Miscavige who viewed these “enemies” with contempt and really wanted to get them compliant or destroyed.

Here are some of the things I most remember from those times where I was finding out that both Hubbard and WDC were nothing like the idealistic people I thought they were:

The general tone of many of Hubbard’s communications to myself and other WDC members was one of hostility, know best and even at times cruelty.

For example Hubbard ordered WDC members to spit on busted staff at Int, something I could not do. Hubbard also demanded “heads on pikes” and the heads he wanted were of innocent, dedicated staff who at the very worst could not live up to Hubbard’s insane “standards”. I would spend much of my last months on post doing everything I could to get those guys off the hook and to stop terrorists like scientology’s then “International Finance Police” . I used my position to save some of them but it was an impossibly small number compared to the thousands who were horribly abused. And it was Hubbard himself demanding that these people be abused.

And no matter what, it was weekly all about the money. The pressure son WDC were tremendous to get money, more money and more money every week into accounts controlled by management. And it was Hubbard in his orders leading the charge for this demanding constant hard selling of people, getting their life savings, you name it. I can remember going to the then WDC Chairman and talking about what I felt were neglected areas where we could be actually helping people and he would say no way, there was not enough money in it and it had to make his weekly targets.

One of my saddest memories was going to two of the top WDC members asking what were the plans for “clearing” the majority of the population of the world who could not afford to pay for scientology services. I remember my heart sinking when all I got back where blank stares. There were no such plans. :bigcry:






And Hubbard was demanding that all possible money be gotten each week out of all local scientology organizations “before they can spend it”. And the bottom line is the staff in the local organizations were often living in squalor, they had no health care, they could not support their children, it was awful. But no one at the top seemed to care, certainly not at the WDC level, and certainly not Miscavige nor Hubbard. I remember going to the then “WDC Reserves” with attorney Chris Cobb and saying we had to stop taking all their money, they could not live, it was horrible. And we were looked at as if we were crazy for even suggesting it, we were not following “command intention”. But meanwhile Hubbard was getting almost a million dollars a week, often extorted out of innocent victims, for no good legal reasons. It was just being sent to him and I was trying to justify it legally as best I could and trying to justify it morally by saying you could never exchange enough to Hubbard and he somehow deserved all this. This would become harder and harder to justify in my heart as the months wore on.



And yes there were dedicated, really hard working and “tough” people on WDC but what good were we doing really? The world was not better because we or what we ran existed, it was worse. Families were being destroyed, people were being destroyed,



Whatever anyone thinks of me PLEASE do not sell yourself short by thinking I was somehow amazing because I as on WDC. I was not. There was nothing amazing about any of the above.



The closer to Hubbard you got the more crazy it was as he struck out at all he considered opposed his will. He saw enemies in loyal staff where there were no enemies and demanded their heads on pikes. IMO he was insane.



And Hubbard constantly lied to me and others. For example he signed contracts with Ruth Mischall (spelling?) and got some money. But when later he felt he could get more money (royalties) by removing her books and making sure only his were sold he would lie to me saying he never signed a contract with Ruth. Specifically Hubbard told me that the only of her books he even saw was “Miracles for Breakfast”. Yet I ran teams to Ruth and although she was now disaffected from scientology, she produced Hubbard’s signed approvals for her other books. I also spoke with the messenger who actually witnessed Hubbard writing all those approvals, yet Hubbard lied whenever he thought he could get more money. (As a little side note here, years before this I as on a mission involving Hubbard's script for "Revolt In The Stars" where he was willing to release even the supper confidential OT III story to be made into a movie if he got enough money. He was constantly looking for money for himself)



And all who stood in his way were to be sent to jail (as if we could do that). And WDC, Miscavige and the International Financial Police they controlled instituted “gang bang security checks” where multiple staff would scream at some poor innocent victim demanding money or admission of “crimes” that did not in fact exist . And Miscavige et al would try to get you as an executive to participate in such abuses and basically IMO sell your soul and become the horror that you opposed with every fiber of your being. . So they tried to get me to be a part of such a "Gang bang security check" that Author Services was doing to some poor guy who they said owed Hubbard money. I was to walk in, sit down and then see that poor terrorized guy and say this was crazy and walk out. I should have done more to stop it.



Week by week, month by month I was realizing how everything I naively dreamed was so wonderful was in fact a nightmare. Near the end I remember those at the top in WDC and the new RTC staff demanding that declares be written on people who had had no recourse to justice. And the declares were being written weekly on at best hearsay and just to get the weekly “heads on a pike” demanded by Hubbard. One of the last things I remember was being put in a room by the then Inspector General of RTC saying that I needed to be part of this and write some of the declares based on what was iffy, if any, evidence. I remember sitting in a room with Michelle Black being ordered to write dozens of declares. And we could not even write one complete sentence. I remember just sitting there saying “I can’t do that” and I did not write one. But my dream world of goodness was crumbling around me and I was becoming disillusioned to say the least.



Near the end I could not even do my in basket. There was simply nothing that was decent to do. I was part of a nightmare and thank God a mission arrived to remove me. They were afraid of me though and did not try to take any justice action instead putting me back into corporate where I was one very good at "protecting the dream". But now the dream was a nightmare and I could not even do that. My wife and I spoke and decided to leave staff.



The powers that be panicked at me routing out and much was done to try to get me to stay and then for years thereafter to control me. And they succeeded for years through lies and deception. I will cover that next.



Bottom line is that the one and only thing of wonder I was apart of at the time I was on WDC can be shown in the following pictures. There otherwise was nothing spiritual, noting loving and nothing truly decent and wonderful “at the top”. Nothing!



THIS is my joy, much of it in my room in the “Big Blue”scientology building when I was on WDC. It was my only accomplishment “at the top”. This is it, the rest is crap:





013_13.jpg



014_14.jpg



030_30.jpg



027_27.jpg



015_15.jpg



006_6.jpg






Thank you so much for sharing those gorgeous pictures of you and your little girl. I really enjoyed those. And also for more of your story.

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JustMe

Patron Meritorious
I love the song, but you knew I would. My ex-partner used to say I talked just like Pooh, and we'd often laugh about some of Pooh's sayings. I have Pooh wallpaper on my desktop just like some of those pictures, and also the theme on my Chrome browser. That can be a bit embarrassing at university, but so far the other students have been quite delighted when they saw it - lol.

So anyhow, I cried when I heard it... of course... but then you understand that too. I would have thought I would have cried enough on Skype to last me for a day or so, but nooooooo! :p Lol!

To me beauty comes not just from the bone structure, or even what is inside - although that is like the lights on the Christmas tree - but the love you feel for the person. Most people would not think the man I loved was "good-looking" but I can't explain how every line of his face was not just precious to me but beautiful - genuinely beautiful. Picture perfect. There is nothing I would have changed. Not a thing. How I see you will always be different from how you see yourself, because you don't get to see that extra layer of the picture. There was no face I would rather have been watching yesterday or no other eyes I would rather have been looking into. It was wonderful. There was no face that was more beautiful to me in that moment. I just feel bad that I kept you up so late, and I hope it was okay at work today with not enough sleep.

Yes, we will find our way back, and count our bees as the sunshine filters through the trees in the woods. Just as soon as I get the honey pot off my nose... a little help, please!! Lol!

I love you.

Awwww, thank you Sweetee. And you're getting that little honey pot off just fine:) And BTW we laughed one heck of a lot more than cried didn't we? I can still see and hear you there as your hands shot up in the air and you leaned back in loud laughter. Over and over. A beautiful thing to behold. :):heartflower:
 

In present time

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I love the song, but you knew I would. My ex-partner used to say I talked just like Pooh, and we'd often laugh about some of Pooh's sayings. I have Pooh wallpaper on my desktop just like some of those pictures, and also the theme on my Chrome browser. That can be a bit embarrassing at university, but so far the other students have been quite delighted when they saw it - lol.

So anyhow, I cried when I heard it... of course... but then you understand that too. I would have thought I would have cried enough on Skype to last me for a day or so, but nooooooo! :p Lol!

To me beauty comes not just from the bone structure, or even what is inside - although that is like the lights on the Christmas tree - but the love you feel for the person. Most people would not think the man I loved was "good-looking" but I can't explain how every line of his face was not just precious to me but beautiful - genuinely beautiful. Picture perfect. There is nothing I would have changed. Not a thing. How I see you will always be different from how you see yourself, because you don't get to see that extra layer of the picture. There was no face I would rather have been watching yesterday or no other eyes I would rather have been looking into. It was wonderful. There was no face that was more beautiful to me in that moment. I just feel bad that I kept you up so late, and I hope it was okay at work today with not enough sleep.

Yes, we will find our way back, and count our bees as the sunshine filters through the trees in the woods. Just as soon as I get the honey pot off my nose... a little help, please!! Lol!

I love you.
LOL, I fell in love at Flag, with a Brit that used to sit by me at the pool and tell me Pooh stories in his lovely accent. He was a lovable guy... we decided to get married right there! Well, as soon as that word got around we became an ethics stat, a kitchen stat, a two D course stat and etc! We never had another moment of peace after that. Later I found out he had many thousands of dollars on account because there had been a huge row back in the UK with his business partner. So, the good Queen was going to sequester all the money until the courts sorted it all out. Somehow, this fine Flag Brit with the charming accent had managed to funnel a huge portion of that money to Flag. He would often smugly state; "Let the Royal Courts try to get the money back from Flag." LOL. And true enough, they never managed to get a dime of that money back. Another trip down memory lane. My Flag wedding;)
 

In present time

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Thank you so much for sharing those gorgeous pictures of you and your little girl. I really enjoyed those. And also for more of your story.

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This is all so amazing. I think I tried to imagine during those times that everyone at the top was like you, even though it really didn't feel that way. It means so much to me and I am sure many others that you are telling this story. I can't thank you enough!
 

Purple Rain

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Awwww, thank you Sweetee. And you're getting that little honey pot off just fine:) And BTW we laughed one heck of a lot more than cried didn't we? I can still see and hear you there as your hands shot up in the air and you leaned back in loud laughter. Over and over. A beautiful thing to behold. :):heartflower:

Yes we did, and it was so good to laugh!

:hug:

I did my second session of sandplay therapy yesterday, and there were some fences going in. She said "Ah, there were no fences last time." But it wasn't complete. There were fences right round the centre, but otherwise just rows of fences at the front of it that someone could easily walk round. The fences are boundaries. So, it was a start. There is a video blog I did about a week after the big break-up where I was still so upset, and I was looking at it again last night and just laughing at myself.

[video=youtube;0NtWpcBneBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NtWpcBneBE&feature=youtu.be[/video]

(Oh, not looking too beautiful there in that at all)!

Anyway, that felt really good, to be able to laugh at myself. So that shows how far I've come with the honeypot on my head. I've come a long way with a little help from my friends. That brief catch in my throat when I was talking to you was the first time I cried about that in weeks.

[video=youtube;kXW9w17Tf0A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXW9w17Tf0A[/video]

Of course now I have been crying for twenty minutes over rich's Zach Sobiech thread.

Edit: And speaking of living with my mum, she told me I was "very naughty" yesterday for not doing my homework! WTF??! LOL!!
 
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JustMe

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After my wife and I discussed the fact that we wanted to leave staff, I left her in our room with our baby and went to tell the Special Unit ethics officer. I wanted to tell her and not another not in that department so as not to violate the policy “leaving and leaves”.

So I told her and she was in shock. She asked me to wait in another room and I know she called “uplines” for help. When I was called back into the room she had Marty Rathbun with her, trying to help her. She and Marty tried over and over and over to talk me out of it but I said we were leaving. After a few more breaks and then meetings with Marty and Marion I still said we were leaving.

Then they conceded and said that “of course” that my wife and I would be doing deck work while we got leaving security checks. And I said “of course” we would not be doing any such thing. I told them that my wife and I would agree to sec checks but alternately and one would be with our daughter while the other was sec checked. And that when we were not in sec checks we would be free to be together in our room without deck work and would even do our shopping as needed for moving.

They said absolutely no way and I replied that they had two choices. The first was that they agreed with what I said above and in turn I would agree to allow them to freely sec check me as much as they wanted even if it was every day for weeks. And, if they refused and insisted that we had to do deck work, my wife, daughter and I were leaving that night. After much back and forth where they again tried to talk me out of it and after more recesses for them to speak with whomever, they finally agreed.

Marty was very upset and said I was completely “out ethics”and told me that I needed to do the Rehabilitation Project Force (“RPF”), organized scientology’s version of a highly abusive gulag. I said that there was nothing “rehabilitative” in the RPF, it was a prison, we were not criminals and would not do it.

And so began what was to be maybe 4-6 weeks of daily sec checks for me for maybe six to eight or so hours a day. A “special” sec checker from RTC (Gelda Mithoff) was sent to do mine. It would take pages and pages to explain what all happened in those sec checks but I think many who read this have been through their version of this and so understand. The bottom line is that they were terrified that I was going to go to the FBI or IRS or otherwise “the bad guys” and actually tell the truth of the abuses, corporate shell games, the religious cloaking and how Hubbard and Miscavige were really running it all. And they checked over and over and over to ensure I had no plans on doing such things.

And then countless hours were spent digging into everything in my life that they felt could be embarrassing to me. And this included every sexual act I ever had with a guy which they considered homosexual and I considered heterosexual. (I would say that that was a “long story” but if you have read this thread to this point you will understand why I felt the way I did).

And over and over and over they tried to spin me in that my perspective of being “transsexual” or “a girl” was because I was such an awful and insane person and was so completely “out ethics” and/or it was spirits in my body and not me that had this feeling. And every time I was to protest this, they would come up with another twist to try to show me how crazy and bad I was. (I say “they” here as years later I found out from Geoff Shervelle then in Special Unit’s “Intelligence” department that nightly a bunch of them would go over what was said in my sec checks that day, laugh at me and then work out ways to spin me in. If I was not to commit suicide at least they hoped to control me. And Geoff would tell me that the reason he fled staff and would not submit to such interrogations was because he saw what they were doing to me and he could never go through that himself. They would actually have been quite happy to see me dead but it would have to be by my own hand).

And every time I pointed out an abuse or a crime or something bad about Hubbard or Miscavige, they tried to get me into a spin and think that I was the one with the crimes for even daring to say it.

But I had great strength in my wife and my daughter and I knew I could and would take this or else they would never get to freedom.

And while I never doubted my decision to leave or to protect my loved ones, they did in fact get me to think that somehow it was I that had no “confront of evil” in that I could not “harm others in a good cause” which was all Hubbard was doing. What a load of crap that was but this and what followed as covered below kept me to myself and not speaking out and thinking there was something horribly wrong with myself for basically just being a loving and kind person. And in one way they were right, I was not able to really confront evil. I did not confront that THEY (Hubbard, Miscavige and the people actually carrying out abuses in their name) were evil. It was not in fact me or all the good souls harmed by these people or who protested their abuses that were evil.

In the last day before we were “allowed” to leave I was tohave three friendly visitors. One was Vicki then running RTC who "just wanted to make sure I was ok”. Another was Lyman Spurlock from Author Services with whom I worked closely on corporate matters. I considered Lyman a friend and I knew he hated it just as much as I hated it that the corporate structure we designed was used by Hubbard and Miscavige to make things even worse, get even more money improperly to Hubbard and all the things we hated. Lyman was to take me to lunch that last day and we had a long chat. Like me, Lyman never wanted to be some big exec, he hated all the “pretend navy” abusive stuff and the like. Like me he even hated all those musters and ceremonies and all those mindless “three cheers of LRH”. I remember Lyman saying that Miscavige had talked him into going to scientology’s last remaining ship (the Freewinds) to do some basic Sea Org training. He didn’t really want to but agreed to give it a try.Years later I was to see a photo of Lyman in all the big Sea Org “dress blues” in what seemed like some super “no nonsense” executive planning. And I remembered thinking “oh gawd they got Lyman”.

But then you never can tell the truth from the pictures that organized scientology uses in their promotions. As I said in a posting onanother thread 2-3 months ago;

The true story of scientology is not told in all those pictures they flash around in their various promotions they send to you. Rather the true story of scientology is told in the empty photo albums, in the blank photos of children no longer with us, of grandchildren that were never born, of sad and lonely people who will never experience these absolute joys in their later life because scientology drained that possibility from them with their greed”.

The third person to see me off on my final day there was Sherman Lenske, one of Hubbard’s attorneys with whom I worked a great deal and even had a friendship. Sherman told me that I was one of the best people he ever worked with and that if I ever needed a reference he would be happy to give me one. He told me I could call him anytime.

Then we flew across country to live with my parents who had a huge house to themselves, all their seven children having moved out. Sandy and I were lucky to have such an option as so many other ex staff have no support network to help them decompress and get on their feet.

I am going to skip over everything in this period except to point out the deception within organized scientology in how they were trying to control me and do anything in their power to keep me quiet.

The first example would be a week or so after we moved in with my parents, I was selling door to door and my wife had an administrative job. I got a call from Dan Feeley who took over from me in Special Unit Corporate. He asked me if I could please make sure I was at my parent’s house that following Saturday at 1PM as they desperately needed me in on a conference call with an attorney I worked with a lot, Elwood Rickless. I bought it.

But when I got to my parent’s house at 1pm (I had been working on the road earlier in the day) there was an RTC sec checker chatting with my father. His name was “Hansuli” (spelling??). I was in shock but was polite.

Hansuli asked me to go with him to set him up in a motel room and said he needed to sec check me for a few days. And I agreed and had many hours of security checks a day for about a week. The nature of the sec checks were checking from every possible angle if I had gone to the police, the FBI, the IRS, even thought of it, was I speaking with anyone antagonistic to scientology, did I even have bad thoughts about Hubbard or Miscavige?? And the rest of it was just another attempt to spin me in to make sure I “knew” I was the one wrong all along, I was the one with the “insanities” of being transgendered, etc.

I guess they were satisfied as he went away eventually.

The next was a month or two later my getting a call from Mike Rinder. Mike told me that they really, really needed me in Los Angeles to help on a legal matter involving the separation of Hubbard and scientology corporately and protecting them both. He said they were not asking me to come back on staff, but they just really needed me for a week or two and scientology would fly me out, give me expense money and put me up in a nearby motel. Once again I bought it and met with Mike and went up into the Special Unit conference room with him and actually did help with some small write-up about Hubbard and corporate scientology and how to protect the interests of both. And while I was sitting there in the room writing it and reading it to Mike, he would just ask me when I would be coming back to staff as if he knew I was going to do so.

But the shocker for me was that I was to find out the real purpose of the trip was many more interrogations of me on the emeter once again trying to find out if I “talked” or planned to do so. But this was even worse. It was a “pilot” of what they called security checks “FPRD style” and I was never to have been so spun in my entire life.” Hubbard was not wrong, Miscavige was not wrong, I was the one that was wrong, I was the one who could not confront evil, I was a sickening affront to nature even thinking I could be a girl, I was twisted and I was disgusting”. And only because I still believed in scientology could all this take a hold on me. Thank God I had my family to go back to and to be my connection to sanity.

Their last great move to control me was to be maybe a half a year or so after that. I get this amazing call from a guy running legal matters in a software company called “RealWorld Corporation” in New Hampshire. And he tells me how they just found out I was off of scientology staff and they wanted me up there to check out their company. They flew my wife, daughter and I up there (from Pennsylvania) and put on this huge party for us. It was a recruitment party and I was to see many scientologists there, even other exstaff I had worked with in the Guardans Office or the Sea Organization. The president of RealWorld, Larry Byrnes, was an old friend of mine from staff times. And a number of David Miscavige’s family members were working there including his twin sister Denise, his brother Ronnie and his mother Loretta.

Bottom line was I got recruited to be their VP Legal and then over the years became their VP sales and then their CEO and President. In my early weeks there, over my objections, I got talked into becoming an annual member of the new membership group, the “International Association of Scientologists” . And RealWorld lent me the money for that. And over my not-strong-enough objections I get talked into getting back into scientology by going to their “mecca of technical perfection” in Clearwater, Floridato get all “cleaned up”. And again RealWorld lent me the money to do this.

And I was to be sucked back into the scientology I was hoping to escape and end up being a “good” public scientologist who gave them hundreds of thousands of dollars. And now I was still to be reminded just how awful I was for being who I was and how right Hubbard was and I fell for it AGAIN. And to add insult to injury, this time I would even pay for the “privilege”of this reminder.

It would not be until years later that I was to find out that the entire matter of me being recruited into RealWorld was an actual move designed by scientology management to get me back into the fold and make sure I never spoke out.

And when I did start to break away from scientology they would use my daughter who was now on staff and through her they thought they could forever keep me quiet by trying to take advantage of my love of her and hers of me.

But what they did not realize was that my daughter’s love of me and mine of her were in fact stronger than their hold on us.

But through their deception and how they can prey on and take advantage of people of good heart, they did manage to delay my breaking free of them and speaking out for decades. It would take me all that time to work my way out of scientology. And it would take me even longer, the subject of my next postings, to find the courage to even believe I could ever find an inner peace and be myself. And I would have to help a lot of other people before I would be able to help myself.

I would be in a very dark place after I Ieft scientology and struggled through so many wrong turns to believe I could be true to what I really am, justme.
 
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JustMe

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........ There is a video blog I did about a week after the big break-up where I was still so upset, and I was looking at it again last night and just laughing at myself.

[video=youtube;0NtWpcBneBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NtWpcBneBE&feature=youtu.be[/video]

(Oh, not looking too beautiful there in that at all)!

Anyway, that felt really good, to be able to laugh at myself. So that shows how far I've come with the honeypot on my head. I've come a long way with a little help from my friends. That brief catch in my throat when I was talking to you was the first time I cried about that in weeks.

You look beautiful to me in that video. You have to have a heart to be heart broken. And you have to have a great love in your heart to feel such loss in love. And you have all that. And that makes you beautiful. :hug:
 

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After my wife and I discussed the fact that we wanted to leave staff, I left her in our room with our baby and went to tell the Special Unit ethics officer. I wanted to tell her and not another not in that department so as not to violate the policy “leaving and leaves”.

So I told her and she was in shock. She asked me to wait in another room and I know she called “uplines” for help. When I was called back into the room she had Marty Rathbun with her, trying to help her. She and Marty tried over and over and over to talk me out of it but I said we were leaving. After a few more breaks and then meetings with Marty and Marion I still said we were leaving.

Then they conceded and said that “of course” that my wife and I would be doing deck work while we got leaving security checks. And I said “of course” we would not be doing any such thing. I told them that my wife and I would agree to sec checks but alternately and one would be with our daughter while the other was sec checked. And that when we were not in sec checks we would be free to be together in our room without deck work and would even do our shopping as needed for moving.

They said absolutely no way and I replied that they had two choices. The first was that they agreed with what I said above and in turn I would agree to allow them to freely sec check me as much as they wanted even if it was every day for weeks. And, if they refused and insisted that we had to do deck work, my wife, daughter and I were leaving that night. After much back and forth where they again tried to talk me out of it and after more recesses for them to speak with whomever, they finally agreed.

Marty was very upset and said I was completely “out ethics”and told me that I needed to do the Rehabilitation Project Force (“RPF”), organized scientology’s version of a highly abusive gulag. I said that there was nothing “rehabilitative” in the RPF, it was a prison, we were not criminals and would not do it.

And so began what was to be maybe 4-6 weeks of daily sec checks for me for maybe six to eight or so hours a day. A “special” sec checker from RTC (Gelda Mithoff) was sent to do mine. It would take pages and pages to explain what all happened in those sec checks but I think many who read this have been through their version of this and so understand. The bottom line is that they were terrified that I was going to go to the FBI or IRS or otherwise “the bad guys” and actually tell the truth of the abuses, corporate shell games, the religious cloaking and how Hubbard and Miscavige were really running it all. And they checked over and over and over to ensure I had no plans on doing such things.

And then countless hours were spent digging into everything in my life that they felt could be embarrassing to me. And this included every sexual act I ever had with a guy which they considered homosexual and I considered heterosexual. (I would say that that was a “long story” but if you have read this thread to this point you will understand why I felt the way I did).

And over and over and over they tried to spin me in that my perspective of being “transsexual” or “a girl” was because I was such an awful and insane person and was so completely “out ethics” and/or it was spirits in my body and not me that had this feeling. And every time I was to protest this, they would come up with another twist to try to show me how crazy and bad I was. (I say “they” here as years later I found out from Geoff Shervelle then in Special Unit’s “Intelligence” department that nightly a bunch of them would go over what was said in my sec checks that day, laugh at me and then work out ways to spin me in. If I was not to commit suicide at least they hoped to control me. And Geoff would tell me that the reason he fled staff and would not submit to such interrogations was because he saw what they were doing to me and he could never go through that himself. They would actually have been quite happy to see me dead but it would have to be by my own hand).

And every time I pointed out an abuse or a crime or something bad about Hubbard or Miscavige, they tried to get me into a spin and think that I was the one with the crimes for even daring to say it.

But I had great strength in my wife and my daughter and I knew I could and would take this or else they would never get to freedom.

And while I never doubted my decision to leave or to protect my loved ones, they did in fact get me to think that somehow it was I that had no “confront of evil” in that I could not “harm others in a good cause” which was all Hubbard was doing. What a load of crap that was but this and what followed as covered below kept me to myself and not speaking out and thinking there was something horribly wrong with myself for basically just being a loving and kind person. And in one way they were right, I was not able to really confront evil. I did not confront that THEY (Hubbard, Miscavige and the people actually carrying out abuses in their name) were evil. It was not in fact me or all the good souls harmed by these people or who protested their abuses that were evil.

In the last day before we were “allowed” to leave I was tohave three friendly visitors. One was Vicki then running RTC who "just wanted to make sure I was ok”. Another was Lyman Spurlock from Author Services with whom I worked closely on corporate matters. I considered Lyman a friend and I knew he hated it just as much as I hated it that the corporate structure we designed was used by Hubbard and Miscavige to make things even worse, get even more money improperly to Hubbard and all the things we hated. Lyman was to take me to lunch that last day and we had a long chat. Like me, Lyman never wanted to be some big exec, he hated all the “pretend navy” abusive stuff and the like. Like me he even hated all those musters and ceremonies and all those mindless “three cheers of LRH”. I remember Lyman saying that Miscavige had talked him into going to scientology’s last remaining ship (the Freewinds) to do some basic Sea Org training. He didn’t really want to but agreed to give it a try.Years later I was to see a photo of Lyman in all the big Sea Org “dress blues” in what seemed like some super “no nonsense” executive planning. And I remembered thinking “oh gawd they got Lyman”.

But then you never can tell the truth from the pictures that organized scientology uses in their promotions. As I said in a posting onanother thread 2-3 months ago;



The third person to see me off on my final day there was Sherman Lenske, one of Hubbard’s attorneys with whom I worked a great deal and even had a friendship. Sherman told me that I was one of the best people he ever worked with and that if I ever needed a reference he would be happy to give me one. He told me I could call him anytime.

Then we flew across country to live with my parents who had a huge house to themselves, all their seven children having moved out. Sandy and I were lucky to have such an option as so many other ex staff have no support network to help them decompress and get on their feet.

I am going to skip over everything in this period except to point out the deception within organized scientology in how they were trying to control me and do anything in their power to keep me quiet.

The first example would be a week or so after we moved in with my parents, I was selling door to door and my wife had an administrative job. I got a call from Dan Feeley who took over from me in Special Unit Corporate. He asked me if I could please make sure I was at my parent’s house that following Saturday at 1PM as they desperately needed me in on a conference call with an attorney I worked with a lot, Elwood Rickless. I bought it.

But when I got to my parent’s house at 1pm (I had been working on the road earlier in the day) there was an RTC sec checker chatting with my father. His name was “Hansuli” (spelling??). I was in shock but was polite.

Hansuli asked me to go with him to set him up in a motel room and said he needed to sec check me for a few days. And I agreed and had many hours of security checks a day for about a week. The nature of the sec checks were checking from every possible angle if I had gone to the police, the FBI, the IRS, even thought of it, was I speaking with anyone antagonistic to scientology, did I even have bad thoughts about Hubbard or Miscavige?? And the rest of it was just another attempt to spin me in to make sure I “knew” I was the one wrong all along, I was the one with the “insanities” of being transgendered, etc.

I guess they were satisfied as he went away eventually.

The next was a month or two later my getting a call from Mike Rinder. Mike told me that they really, really needed me in Los Angeles to help on a legal matter involving the separation of Hubbard and scientology corporately and protecting them both. He said they were not asking me to come back on staff, but they just really needed me for a week or two and scientology would fly me out, give me expense money and put me up in a nearby motel. Once again I bought it and met with Mike and went up into the Special Unit conference room with him and actually did help with some small write-up about Hubbard and corporate scientology and how to protect the interests of both. And while I was sitting there in the room writing it and reading it to Mike, he would just ask me when I would be coming back to staff as if he knew I was going to do so.

But the shocker for me was that I was to find out the real purpose of the trip was many more interrogations of me on the emeter once again trying to find out if I “talked” or planned to do so. But this was even worse. It was a “pilot” of what they called security checks “FPRD style” and I was never to have been so spun in my entire life.” Hubbard was not wrong, Miscavige was not wrong, I was the one that was wrong, I was the one who could not confront evil, I was a sickening affront to nature even thinking I could be a girl, I was twisted and I was disgusting”. And only because I still believed in scientology could all this take a hold on me. Thank God I had my family to go back to and to be my connection to sanity.

Their last great move to control me was to be maybe a half a year or so after that. I get this amazing call from a guy running legal matters in a software company called “RealWorld Corporation” in New Hampshire. And he tells me how they just found out I was off of scientology staff and they wanted me up there to check out their company. They flew my wife, daughter and I up there (from Pennsylvania) and put on this huge party for us. It was a recruitment party and I was to see many scientologists there, even other exstaff I had worked with in the Guardans Office or the Sea Organization. The president of RealWorld, Larry Byrnes, was an old friend of mine from staff times. And a number of David Miscavige’s family members were working there including his twin sister Denise, his brother Ronnie and his mother Loretta.

Bottom line was I got recruited to be their VP Legal and then over the years became their VP sales and then their CEO and President. In my early weeks there, over my objections, I got talked into becoming an annual member of the new membership group, the “International Association of Scientologists” . And RealWorld lent me the money for that. And over my not-strong-enough objections I get talked into getting back into scientology by going to their “mecca of technical perfection” in Clearwater, Floridato get all “cleaned up”. And again RealWorld lent me the money to do this.

And I was to be sucked back into the scientology I was hoping to escape and end up being a “good” public scientologist who gave them hundreds of thousands of dollars. And now I was still to be reminded just how awful I was for being who I was and how right Hubbard was and I fell for it AGAIN. And to add insult to injury, this time I would even pay for the “privilege”of this reminder.

It would not be until years later that I was to find out that the entire matter of me being recruited into RealWorld was an actual moved designed by scientology management to get me back into the fold and make sure I never spoke out.

And when I did start to break away from scientology they would use my daughter who was now on staff and through her they thought they could forever keep me quiet by trying to take advantage of my love of her and hers of me.

But what they did not realize was that my daughter’s love of me and mine of her were in fact stronger than their hold on us.

But through their deception and how they can prey on and take advantage of people of good heart, they did manage to delay my breaking free of them and speaking out for decades. It would take me all that time to work my way out of scientology. And it would take me even longer, the subject of my next postings, to find the courage to even believe I could ever find an inner peace and be myself. And I would have to help a lot of other people before I would be able to help myself.

I would be in a very dark place after I Ieft scientology and struggled through so many wrong turns to believe I could be true to what I really am, justme.

There is a lot of competition, but this may be the worst example of nastiness I've heard re CO$.

Among other things it tells that you have a great intellect and ability.

And got CO$ scared.

I know thats not girly but I'm a guy. :)

Kudos and salutations :)
 

Purple Rain

Crusader
After my wife and I discussed the fact that we wanted to leave staff, I left her in our room with our baby and went to tell the Special Unit ethics officer. I wanted to tell her and not another not in that department so as not to violate the policy “leaving and leaves”.

So I told her and she was in shock. She asked me to wait in another room and I know she called “uplines” for help. When I was called back into the room she had Marty Rathbun with her, trying to help her. She and Marty tried over and over and over to talk me out of it but I said we were leaving. After a few more breaks and then meetings with Marty and Marion I still said we were leaving.

Then they conceded and said that “of course” that my wife and I would be doing deck work while we got leaving security checks. And I said “of course” we would not be doing any such thing. I told them that my wife and I would agree to sec checks but alternately and one would be with our daughter while the other was sec checked. And that when we were not in sec checks we would be free to be together in our room without deck work and would even do our shopping as needed for moving.

They said absolutely no way and I replied that they had two choices. The first was that they agreed with what I said above and in turn I would agree to allow them to freely sec check me as much as they wanted even if it was every day for weeks. And, if they refused and insisted that we had to do deck work, my wife, daughter and I were leaving that night. After much back and forth where they again tried to talk me out of it and after more recesses for them to speak with whomever, they finally agreed.

Marty was very upset and said I was completely “out ethics”and told me that I needed to do the Rehabilitation Project Force (“RPF”), organized scientology’s version of a highly abusive gulag. I said that there was nothing “rehabilitative” in the RPF, it was a prison, we were not criminals and would not do it.

And so began what was to be maybe 4-6 weeks of daily sec checks for me for maybe six to eight or so hours a day. A “special” sec checker from RTC (Gelda Mithoff) was sent to do mine. It would take pages and pages to explain what all happened in those sec checks but I think many who read this have been through their version of this and so understand. The bottom line is that they were terrified that I was going to go to the FBI or IRS or otherwise “the bad guys” and actually tell the truth of the abuses, corporate shell games, the religious cloaking and how Hubbard and Miscavige were really running it all. And they checked over and over and over to ensure I had no plans on doing such things.

And then countless hours were spent digging into everything in my life that they felt could be embarrassing to me. And this included every sexual act I ever had with a guy which they considered homosexual and I considered heterosexual. (I would say that that was a “long story” but if you have read this thread to this point you will understand why I felt the way I did).

And over and over and over they tried to spin me in that my perspective of being “transsexual” or “a girl” was because I was such an awful and insane person and was so completely “out ethics” and/or it was spirits in my body and not me that had this feeling. And every time I was to protest this, they would come up with another twist to try to show me how crazy and bad I was. (I say “they” here as years later I found out from Geoff Shervelle then in Special Unit’s “Intelligence” department that nightly a bunch of them would go over what was said in my sec checks that day, laugh at me and then work out ways to spin me in. If I was not to commit suicide at least they hoped to control me. And Geoff would tell me that the reason he fled staff and would not submit to such interrogations was because he saw what they were doing to me and he could never go through that himself. They would actually have been quite happy to see me dead but it would have to be by my own hand).

And every time I pointed out an abuse or a crime or something bad about Hubbard or Miscavige, they tried to get me into a spin and think that I was the one with the crimes for even daring to say it.

But I had great strength in my wife and my daughter and I knew I could and would take this or else they would never get to freedom.

And while I never doubted my decision to leave or to protect my loved ones, they did in fact get me to think that somehow it was I that had no “confront of evil” in that I could not “harm others in a good cause” which was all Hubbard was doing. What a load of crap that was but this and what followed as covered below kept me to myself and not speaking out and thinking there was something horribly wrong with myself for basically just being a loving and kind person. And in one way they were right, I was not able to really confront evil. I did not confront that THEY (Hubbard, Miscavige and the people actually carrying out abuses in their name) were evil. It was not in fact me or all the good souls harmed by these people or who protested their abuses that were evil.

In the last day before we were “allowed” to leave I was tohave three friendly visitors. One was Vicki then running RTC who "just wanted to make sure I was ok”. Another was Lyman Spurlock from Author Services with whom I worked closely on corporate matters. I considered Lyman a friend and I knew he hated it just as much as I hated it that the corporate structure we designed was used by Hubbard and Miscavige to make things even worse, get even more money improperly to Hubbard and all the things we hated. Lyman was to take me to lunch that last day and we had a long chat. Like me, Lyman never wanted to be some big exec, he hated all the “pretend navy” abusive stuff and the like. Like me he even hated all those musters and ceremonies and all those mindless “three cheers of LRH”. I remember Lyman saying that Miscavige had talked him into going to scientology’s last remaining ship (the Freewinds) to do some basic Sea Org training. He didn’t really want to but agreed to give it a try.Years later I was to see a photo of Lyman in all the big Sea Org “dress blues” in what seemed like some super “no nonsense” executive planning. And I remembered thinking “oh gawd they got Lyman”.

But then you never can tell the truth from the pictures that organized scientology uses in their promotions. As I said in a posting onanother thread 2-3 months ago;



The third person to see me off on my final day there was Sherman Lenske, one of Hubbard’s attorneys with whom I worked a great deal and even had a friendship. Sherman told me that I was one of the best people he ever worked with and that if I ever needed a reference he would be happy to give me one. He told me I could call him anytime.

Then we flew across country to live with my parents who had a huge house to themselves, all their seven children having moved out. Sandy and I were lucky to have such an option as so many other ex staff have no support network to help them decompress and get on their feet.

I am going to skip over everything in this period except to point out the deception within organized scientology in how they were trying to control me and do anything in their power to keep me quiet.

The first example would be a week or so after we moved in with my parents, I was selling door to door and my wife had an administrative job. I got a call from Dan Feeley who took over from me in Special Unit Corporate. He asked me if I could please make sure I was at my parent’s house that following Saturday at 1PM as they desperately needed me in on a conference call with an attorney I worked with a lot, Elwood Rickless. I bought it.

But when I got to my parent’s house at 1pm (I had been working on the road earlier in the day) there was an RTC sec checker chatting with my father. His name was “Hansuli” (spelling??). I was in shock but was polite.

Hansuli asked me to go with him to set him up in a motel room and said he needed to sec check me for a few days. And I agreed and had many hours of security checks a day for about a week. The nature of the sec checks were checking from every possible angle if I had gone to the police, the FBI, the IRS, even thought of it, was I speaking with anyone antagonistic to scientology, did I even have bad thoughts about Hubbard or Miscavige?? And the rest of it was just another attempt to spin me in to make sure I “knew” I was the one wrong all along, I was the one with the “insanities” of being transgendered, etc.

I guess they were satisfied as he went away eventually.

The next was a month or two later my getting a call from Mike Rinder. Mike told me that they really, really needed me in Los Angeles to help on a legal matter involving the separation of Hubbard and scientology corporately and protecting them both. He said they were not asking me to come back on staff, but they just really needed me for a week or two and scientology would fly me out, give me expense money and put me up in a nearby motel. Once again I bought it and met with Mike and went up into the Special Unit conference room with him and actually did help with some small write-up about Hubbard and corporate scientology and how to protect the interests of both. And while I was sitting there in the room writing it and reading it to Mike, he would just ask me when I would be coming back to staff as if he knew I was going to do so.

But the shocker for me was that I was to find out the real purpose of the trip was many more interrogations of me on the emeter once again trying to find out if I “talked” or planned to do so. But this was even worse. It was a “pilot” of what they called security checks “FPRD style” and I was never to have been so spun in my entire life.” Hubbard was not wrong, Miscavige was not wrong, I was the one that was wrong, I was the one who could not confront evil, I was a sickening affront to nature even thinking I could be a girl, I was twisted and I was disgusting”. And only because I still believed in scientology could all this take a hold on me. Thank God I had my family to go back to and to be my connection to sanity.

Their last great move to control me was to be maybe a half a year or so after that. I get this amazing call from a guy running legal matters in a software company called “RealWorld Corporation” in New Hampshire. And he tells me how they just found out I was off of scientology staff and they wanted me up there to check out their company. They flew my wife, daughter and I up there (from Pennsylvania) and put on this huge party for us. It was a recruitment party and I was to see many scientologists there, even other exstaff I had worked with in the Guardans Office or the Sea Organization. The president of RealWorld, Larry Byrnes, was an old friend of mine from staff times. And a number of David Miscavige’s family members were working there including his twin sister Denise, his brother Ronnie and his mother Loretta.

Bottom line was I got recruited to be their VP Legal and then over the years became their VP sales and then their CEO and President. In my early weeks there, over my objections, I got talked into becoming an annual member of the new membership group, the “International Association of Scientologists” . And RealWorld lent me the money for that. And over my not-strong-enough objections I get talked into getting back into scientology by going to their “mecca of technical perfection” in Clearwater, Floridato get all “cleaned up”. And again RealWorld lent me the money to do this.

And I was to be sucked back into the scientology I was hoping to escape and end up being a “good” public scientologist who gave them hundreds of thousands of dollars. And now I was still to be reminded just how awful I was for being who I was and how right Hubbard was and I fell for it AGAIN. And to add insult to injury, this time I would even pay for the “privilege”of this reminder.

It would not be until years later that I was to find out that the entire matter of me being recruited into RealWorld was an actual move designed by scientology management to get me back into the fold and make sure I never spoke out.

And when I did start to break away from scientology they would use my daughter who was now on staff and through her they thought they could forever keep me quiet by trying to take advantage of my love of her and hers of me.

But what they did not realize was that my daughter’s love of me and mine of her were in fact stronger than their hold on us.

But through their deception and how they can prey on and take advantage of people of good heart, they did manage to delay my breaking free of them and speaking out for decades. It would take me all that time to work my way out of scientology. And it would take me even longer, the subject of my next postings, to find the courage to even believe I could ever find an inner peace and be myself. And I would have to help a lot of other people before I would be able to help myself.

I would be in a very dark place after I Ieft scientology and struggled through so many wrong turns to believe I could be true to what I really am, justme.

I don't know how you survived all those awful words, let alone how you found the courage and strength to stand up to them. I'm just... respect.

Sometimes we can do things for those we love that we could never do for ourselves. But to just have that abuse dug in and laid in again and again - I truly don't know how you coped. I am so glad you didn't do what they wanted. Now their worst nightmares have come true and you are telling the whole world what they've done and what they're made of.

I think you are now up there with my daughter as the bravest people I know.
 

BunnySkull

Silver Meritorious Patron
Denise, reading your words, the interactions you have with others, your years of working so hard to end the abuses and destruction of the CoS, all make me positive you are not only a strong woman but a credit to our gender. I only wish their were more women like you, we certainly need them in this world.

You are real femininity at its very best.
 

Purple Rain

Crusader
One of my tarot cards says, "Remember that in legend, the beautiful Phoenix is reborn through fire...."

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Keep rising

:rose:

I think this is for everyone.

[video=youtube;I8vjWmWX84E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8vjWmWX84E[/video]
 

The_Fixer

Class Clown
What an absolute crock of shit that was Denise. I'm just happy to know that you had that courage to hold to yourself and become who you are. I don't have that courage. But I find it so inspirational to see it in others...

You are legend.

Speaking of legends, on a lighter note....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKoVLXy_nrA

Don't watch if you don't like bad language, attitude or general Ozzie outback humour....
 

Purple Rain

Crusader
What an absolute crock of shit that was Denise. I'm just happy to know that you had that courage to hold to yourself and become who you are. I don't have that courage. But I find it so inspirational to see it in others...

You are legend.

Speaking of legends, on a lighter note....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKoVLXy_nrA

Don't watch if you don't like bad language, attitude or general Ozzie outback humour....

Remember the Naked Vicar?

[video=youtube;b4vtMyONlQs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4vtMyONlQs[/video]

[video=youtube;3XVxKgFpgb4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XVxKgFpgb4[/video]
 

JustMe

Patron Meritorious
BunnySkull, Purple, Free and Fixer thank you so much for all of that.

I very much appreciate your kindness and what you share. That certainly got me in tears for my drive to work yesterday.

And Purple honey, I am nowhere near your daughter in courage.

It’s Saturday morning at about 4:30 here and I am about to go to work and then I am off to Nancy Many’s for a 2-day “sleepover” so I might not be posting on here for 2 or 3 days.

One of the things Nancy and I will be doing is a ceremony that will be about divine femininity. She wanted to do one to celebrate my transition in life but it will also be about hers.

I’m excited and I’m going “purple”, my favorite color, and a color often used to represent “Goddess”. My nails are all done in purple, I have my purple dress, earrings, accessories, shoes, make-up, even purple tights

I have a small picture of Hubbard and one of me as a male that we will be burning as part of the ceremony. There will be nothing of hate there but it will be a symbol of what I am leaving behind forever and my breaking away from those bonds into being myself, justme.

I have a doll with a pink shoestring wrapped around it. The doll represents that part of my family who stopped loving me, who reject me and have for the last year and a half refused to let me back into their lives or even let me communicate to them as I embarrass them. We were very close before but now my brother says he will have me arrested if he even saw me with one item of a girl’s clothing on (as if that were possible) yet he and I were very close before that. So as part of the ceremony I will be unwrapping the shoelace from around the doll, unbinding them from having to have me as family and from having any obligation to love me. I will unbind them from having to have any sorrow from rejecting me. While doing this I will be whispering to them my final deep love and my thanks for once loving me and having me in their family.

There is no hatred or bitterness there at all, just love. But this is my time of passage and I too must rise above the sorrow of things lost while forever keeping my love for them. I must move on now to being justme.

Plus there are all kinds of lovely things to represent what I am and where I have yet to go and what is part of my life now before I move on even further, beyond this life. This includes some pictures of those who I deeply love and who will be part of the rest of this life. It includes this beautiful etched faery encased in crystal and it will represent her breaking free.

I even have faery charms to represent all of you, my sisters, as being with us in this gathering, this ceremony. It will represent our divine femininity which grows stronger through our bonding.

Anyway I am now late and have to really rush to work.

I love you all and will be back in a couple of days. :grouphug:
 

Purple Rain

Crusader
BunnySkull, Purple, Free and Fixer thank you so much for all of that.

I very much appreciate your kindness and what you share. That certainly got me in tears for my drive to work yesterday.

And Purple honey, I am nowhere near your daughter in courage.

It’s Saturday morning at about 4:30 here and I am about to go to work and then I am off to Nancy Many’s for a 2-day “sleepover” so I might not be posting on here for 2 or 3 days.

One of the things Nancy and I will be doing is a ceremony that will be about divine femininity. She wanted to do one to celebrate my transition in life but it will also be about hers.

I’m excited and I’m going “purple”, my favorite color, and a color often used to represent “Goddess”. My nails are all done in purple, I have my purple dress, earrings, accessories, shoes, make-up, even purple tights

I have a small picture of Hubbard and one of me as a male that we will be burning as part of the ceremony. There will be nothing of hate there but it will be a symbol of what I am leaving behind forever and my breaking away from those bonds into being myself, justme.

I have a doll with a pink shoestring wrapped around it. The doll represents that part of my family who stopped loving me, who reject me and have for the last year and a half refused to let me back into their lives or even let me communicate to them as I embarrass them. We were very close before but now my brother says he will have me arrested if he even saw me with one item of a girl’s clothing on (as if that were possible) yet he and I were very close before that. So as part of the ceremony I will be unwrapping the shoelace from around the doll, unbinding them from having to have me as family and from having any obligation to love me. I will unbind them from having to have any sorrow from rejecting me. While doing this I will be whispering to them my final deep love and my thanks for once loving me and having me in their family.

There is no hatred or bitterness there at all, just love. But this is my time of passage and I too must rise above the sorrow of things lost while forever keeping my love for them. I must move on now to being justme.

Plus there are all kinds of lovely things to represent what I am and where I have yet to go and what is part of my life now before I move on even further, beyond this life. This includes some pictures of those who I deeply love and who will be part of the rest of this life. It includes this beautiful etched faery encased in crystal and it will represent her breaking free.

I even have faery charms to represent all of you, my sisters, as being with us in this gathering, this ceremony. It will represent our divine femininity which grows stronger through our bonding.

Anyway I am now late and have to really rush to work.

I love you all and will be back in a couple of days. :grouphug:

Oh, can I see a picture of my faery charm?

What a wonderful idea! It must be so exciting for you to be getting ready for the ceremony together. I'd love to see a photo of you in all your purple finery. What is Nancy wearing?

I know how it feels to lose family - to feel like you're not good enough or not what they expect you to be. To have them not let you just be yourself. It is such a beautiful way to set them free. I tried to do that with the person I loved after we broke up - just went and climbed on the playground and said goodbye and released him. I imagined letting go of a balloon and watching it fly up into the sky - his red balloon. Then in my mind I released a white one for myself because I wanted to fly free as well. I think it does help to have closure.

I love the idea of burning the pictures. Gosh, I never thought of burning a picture of Hubbard. I'd like to have a whole effigy to burn - with fireworks! Lol!

Well, I am with you in spirit. All my love goes with you. I hope you can feel me there. Have a safe and a wonderful trip and don't go Thelma and Louising!!

:love2:

(Don't make me come down there, you girls!!)

Edit: Here is some Kate Bush for the occasion. Oh, I wish I was there!

[video=youtube;pW5hjWVS3ho]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW5hjWVS3ho[/video]

[video=youtube;h1DDndY0FLI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1DDndY0FLI[/video]
 
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