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Did DM get LRH blessing to become the leader ...

Discussion in 'David Miscavige and Current Management' started by FoJ, Jan 2, 2014.

  1. FoJ

    FoJ Patron

    ... Or did David take over in a coup? Am I right in thinking that Mrs LRH wasn't in favour of DM and was pushed out too? I did do a search on here but couldn't find a thread, apologies in advance if I missed it.

    Also is there someone being brought up to take over from DM one day?

  2. Knows

    Knows Gold Meritorious Patron

    There are many posts about the "takeover" on the internet. David Miscavige - just by the pure results of Scientology's condition - is a stark raving madman and he helped destroy this cult faster than Hubbard ever could. If Scientology had not received "tax exempt status" and had the privilege to hide behind its religious cloak, Scientology would have ended long ago. What kept it going? MONEY~! You see, in the MEST universe, one does needs money to survive. Scientologist's are coerced and extorted out of all of their money by 20 year olds that don't know any better...they become trained into manipulating others and they use that "training" to manipulate. Of course, one also needs their family and friends...and Scientology takes all of that away unless you comply with Command Intention..and if people stopped donating money to Miscavige's game, Scientology would die so much faster. Now that the members are broke and broken and nothing will repair the damage that David Miscavige has done to so many people, Scientology will not have the money to hide any longer. I don't think the "fair game" will work with cameras and videos available to people and the INTERNET!! Hubbard never had the OTness to see the internet coming so they have no tech for it, except "DON'T LOOK OR YOU WILL DIE"...and the clubbed seals obey. What is amazing is that the OSA people that read these posts have read about Xenu and not die or get sick...and NEITHER DID WE (LOL) can't OSA and lurker's see that the whole thing is a terrible con and Scientology does not have the "tech" to free man - only enslave? Why can't they see that they are trapped (don't look - or else, don't talk - or else, don't think - or else!) Scientology's benevolence hides their malevolence! Scientology is so cruel because people want to be part of the "good guys" but are part of an evil cult that destroy's its own members with no remorse. Scientologists are slowly convinced that Scientology is the only "good guys" on the planet and behind the doors in the Ivory Tower - there is a mad man running their cult!! And he will stop at nothing because "he must survive" - even if everyone else is destroyed! Scientology - It is one of the most evil groups on Earth!
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  3. Dean Blair

    Dean Blair Silver Meritorious Patron

    DM never had Hubbard's blessing and as the poster knows describes above this information has been relayed in detail. I doubt that DM has anyone in mind to take over as he probably thinks he is invulnerable and wouldn't give a hoot about what happens to Scientology when he's gone. Anyone who had any power or authority in Scientology was destroyed by DM when he took over and he continues this successful action even today.
  4. anonomog

    anonomog Gold Meritorious Patron

    Marty Rathbun has written about it as have others:
    Mary Sue Hubbard was treated badly after Hubbard's death. Do a search on her name for that time period and you should find quite a bit of what went on at the time.
  5. Lermanet_com

    Lermanet_com Gold Meritorious Patron

    The proper question to ask is how did DM, who was called "The Asthmatic Dwarf" behind his back
    when he was first in the CMO ever rise to even be in a position to seize this opportunity?

    Did Hubbard see him as the perfect fool to run his empire?

    Aleister Crowley's "Magick in Theory and Practice" states:

    "The whole and sole object of all true magickal training is to become free from every kind of limitation....
    (Bent Corydon, Messiah or Madman, p. 48).

    L Ron Hubbard said, in a 1952 taped Scientology lecture:

    "Our whole activity tends to make an individual completely independent of any limitation...'"

    "L Ron Hubbard Jr ( Ron DeWolf ): I believed in Satanism. There was no other religion in the house! Scientology and black magic. What a lot of people don't realize is that Scientology is black magic that is just spread out over a long time period. To perform black magic generally takes a few hours or, at most, a few weeks. But in Scientology it's stretched out over a lifetime, and so you don't see it. Black magic is the inner core of Scientology --and it is probably the only part of Scientology that really works."

    And it should be no surprise that 95% of what is called is magic is merely based upon hypnosis.

    Hubbard fancied himself a magician. Numerology goes with that territory.
    It is would also be helpful to even entertain this idea
    to have personally had to deal with psychosis.
    There is a manifestation called the "gong" when a paranoid will see
    a key word or number, and KNOW it is extremely significant.
    Of course that might be said of this diagnosis also, however
    I am just pointing out those things which would have had great meaning to Hubbard, the paranoid schizophrenic.

    I do not believe it an accident that CST which owns everything, while RTC just 'holds' everything,
    was incorporated on April 30th.

    That they chose their end of year fiscal period to end on April 30th.

    That Anton LaVey founded the Church of Satan on...April 30th

    That the Temple of Set (satanism) was founded on April 30th.

    That Hitler committed suicide on April 30th...

    And that April 30th is also witches day, it is the most holy day in Satanism other than one's OWN birthday..

    And that Hubbard would have known that David Miscavige's birthday is April 30th.


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  6. Out-Ethics

    Out-Ethics Patron Meritorious

    I doubt Scientology survives long enough for another leader to come in. If DM were to suddenly pass away the entire organization would likely not survive as one would have to be just as cruel and ruthless as DM. Which SO member fits that bill?
  7. Bea Kiddo

    Bea Kiddo Crusader

    I personally think that David Miscavige is doing a WONDERFUL job. Keep it up!!!
  8. Veda

    Veda Sponsor


    Well, Hubbard placed the CMO (Commodore's Messenger Org) over the GO (Mary Sue) in 1981, and seemed to trust his youthful servants (Messengers) more than anyone.

    Miscavige was, essentially, the general manager of Scientology during the early and mid 1980s, but Hubbard was still the "Boss." The intrigue, and paranoia, of this period is covered in books such as 'Messiah or Madman?' in chapters such as 'The Billion Dollar Caper' and 'The Savior's Revenge', and in other books, and also on the Net.

    Hubbard was very concerned with being held accountable for his decades of fraudulent and abusive actions, as he "smashed his name into history," and created the Scientology "juggernaut," in accordance the "pink legs" Bolivar PL writings.

    He had his priorities, and, apparently, had a phobia for anyone with a subpoena, a badge, or anyone wearing a judicial robe. It's noteworthy that two other cult leaders, Moon of the Moonies, and Lyndon LaRouche, went to prison for things such as tax evasion, served their time in prison during which they continued to oversee their cult's operations, finally left prison, and continued as the leaders of their cults. This in contrast to Hubbard.

    Hubbard could have by-passed Miscavige and established other communication lines. For example, Hubbard could have called David Mayo on the telephone. He also could have spoken with any of the major Mission holders. He chose not to do so.

    While there are still people who insist that Hubbard was duct taped to a kitchen chair, or held against his will, etc., or - in the case of some European Free Zoners - kept frozen on ice from 1980 onward until he could be thawed out in 1986, etc., an abundance of evidence tells a different story.

    IMO, Hubbard didn't, exactly, give Miscavige "his blessing," but he did place Miscavige in the strongest possible position to become Scientology's new dictator.


    Some background:

    From a 1986 interview of Martin Samuels, former Mission holder and founder of Delphian school:

    "Hubbard operated according to a couple of key patterns.

    "The first pattern involved basically decent well intentioned people... no one was able to rise in the organization to a point of any real proximity to him, without being attacked and vilified...

    "The next pattern: It's reap and rape. Hubbard would let the reins loose. He'd let people believe they really could get on with it... He'd let people believe they really could prosper to the full extent of their own ability, and enjoy the fruits of their labor.

    "And, with that kind of freedom, prosperity does occur, Inevitably, though, he'd come along and rape and pillage and rip off and take what had been produced. The most dramatic example of this was '82, '83, when he 'raped' his most decent people in management along with the mission holders, and looted the entire mission network.

    "And look at this pattern... He surrounded himself with absolute hooligans as 'managers'; guys who beat the shit out of people. This man, who 'is this OT, the author of Science of Survival, completely able to predict human behavior', surrounded himself with ruthless people - like Miscavige - who got there because they emulated Hubbard's savagery. They emulated his total willingness to completely break, use, and discard another person.

    "And then after their hands were so bloody - and the only reason their hands were bloody was that they were doing what Hubbard wanted - when it finally started to get to the point where it couldn't be tolerated by people anymore, Hubbard wiped them out. Then he said. 'My God! I didn't know!' Scapegoat. He even did that to his own wife, who went to jail in his place..."


    And from author Russell Miller's interview of David Mayo from August 1986, concerning the late 1970s:

    "What worried me was that I saw some things he did and statements he made that showed his intentions were different from what they appeared to be...

    "He told me he was obsessed with an insatiable lust for power and money. He said it very emphatically. He thought it wasn't possible to get enough. He didn't say it as if it was a fault, just his frustration that he couldn't get enough."


    According to Jesse Prince, from 'The ever changing tech of Scientology':

    "...Miscavige is doing his best to forward Command Intention, which is contained in the huge LRH orders database of the INCOMM computer system of Scientology..."


    From Denise Brennan:

    "There was a real secret body of people directly run by Hubbard."

  9. Bea Kiddo

    Bea Kiddo Crusader

    Random comment: Pretty sure LRH was never frozen. I know of two reliable reports of LRH showing up in PAC area around 1982 and 1983.
  10. Mick Wenlock

    Mick Wenlock Admin Emeritus (retired)

    I always thought that the best comparison for any cult in terms of "succession" is the soviet union. It had no rules for succession - who became General secretary was a nebulous process of who could muster up the most backing, the backing of key powerful constituencies and could do it in the right order.

    Hubbard never had a thought out succession plan that I have ever been aware of - at certain points he tried apportioning out parts of the power ( Bill Franks as ED Int, David Mayo as Snr CS Int) but all he really succeeded in doing was painting a target on their backs because he, Hubbard, could not walk away from it all. Hubbard had centralized power more and more - using central management and ever increasing surveillance and enforcement.

    Miscavige has a power base from 1980 or so onwards - he had run projects and missions and, as his nebulous post title (spec pjt ops) left his command lines sort of blurry he was able to appoint people to posts that he reallyb had no business doing - John Nelson as CO CMO Int for example. Once acknowledged as the person who had to "approve of" such postings he had already been annointed as a "power".

    I think - and maybe Denise would opine about this - that MCSO (Mission Corporate Sort Out) gave Miscavige the education he needed to see HOW to take over the structure of scientology. At the time Miscavige was moving into position I doubt that there was more than a handful of scientologists even in the SO who had any idea of what the set up of RTC, Rcomps, LRH Library, CMO Int, ASI, CST was, who controlled what and what was necessary to control the whole. And I think once Miscavige had secured control of two parts - ASI (for the connection to hubbard) and RTC it was going to be very hard to stop him from controlling the rest - and who would have done it?

    As for Hubbard - well dictators (and hubbard was a dictator) don't usually "retire" they are either overthrown or die in office. They don't care what happens "afterwards" because from what I can see there is no perception at all that 'other people' matter and all that the dictators are afraid of is what will happen if they let go.

    Hubbard's concepts of "power" and "power change' were totally weird of course. Apparently the idea of succession of power within a democratic context entirely escaped him and George washington's example of leaving behind power with out "pockets full of blackmail" just never seemed to register.

    Hubbard had plenty of opportunity to have sorted out genuine "succession" and plenty of chances to have created institutions within the small world of scientology but he never even tried. Oh yes he claimed to "move off" but never actually did.

    I think Miscavige was the only one close to the center of things who actually had the concept in his head that Hubbard's "reign" was going to come to an end sooner or later and that whome ever was going to be in charge was going to be the one who was best organized.
  11. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    Hubbard even had him Sec Checked by Jesse Prince once, but the results never reached Hubbard because DM was smart and spilled the beans on Pat Broeker too, so Pat Broeker could'n't let it go up the line.
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  12. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    Too bad Hubbard couldn't sense that Pat Broeker, who was living with him, had withholds from him and, perhaps, Sec Check Pat Broeker, himself, personally, or contact Jesse Prince to check with him about it.

    That Pat Broeker was one slick operator. Smooth!

    Pat Broeker, First Loyal Officer

  13. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    10 procent will be the masters and the other 90 procent the slaves