Did Hub have any original, good, ideas?

Dave B.

Maximus Ultimus Mostimus
They can be but they can also be observations without opinion.
Thus the phony scientific front of $cientology.

Hubbard knew the "scientific" angle for $cientology was completely necessary - so the public would think of his scam as something different than another typical 1950's UFO cult, which it was. If they could have heard him and his wife in that Scouting Universes tape the public would get a more accurate flavor of the hi-jinx.
 

pineapple

Silver Meritorious Patron
That's an interesting comment.
IIRC, (correct me if I am wrong) DMSMH does not get into past lives.

The DMSMH basic-basic engram occurred during birth experience or maybe a little before that in the womb (failed abortion attempt).
DMSMH doesn't mention past lives, but they were being run as early as 1951. Hubbard mentions them in SOS (Science of Survival). He says if the pc brings up a past life incident the auditor should accept it. And J.A. Winter in A Doctor's Report on Dianetics, published 1951, says dianeticists are now running "past deaths" (he doesn't approve).
 

Terril park

Sponsor
I don't know, I was going by what you said in your post, which was 1980.

I can't recall exactly what year it was but know it was in the early 80's.

And for sure Scientology was busier during certain periods. Many left after the Mission Network was raped and pillaged, and then again I believe since the early 90's there's been a continual decline.

Personally though, I would think that IF Scientology REALLY worked as promised, creating Clears and OT's as promised, that a CEO of at least average skills in the business world (non-Scientology) would be able to create a successful business within 20 years which was delivering services to millions of people each and every year. If that same CEO was able to hire employees at the rate of $50.00/week for 90+ hours of work, and provide no medical insurance, no retirement plan, very few other benefits, and was tax exempt, it would be much faster!

Scientology claims to be infinitely more valuable than a college education. But just last year a local university near me, University of South Florida less than an hour drive from Flag had over 40,000 students. So 400 people in a course room at the same time isn't so impressive IMO.

I don't know, I was going by what you said in your post, which was 1980.

I can't recall exactly what year it was but know it was in the early 80's.

And for sure Scientology was busier during certain periods. Many left after the Mission Network was raped and pillaged, and then again I believe since the early 90's there's been a continual decline.

Personally though, I would think that IF Scientology REALLY worked as promised, creating Clears and OT's as promised, that a CEO of at least average skills in the business world (non-Scientology) would be able to create a successful business within 20 years which was delivering services to millions of people each and every year. If that same CEO was able to hire employees at the rate of $50.00/week for 90+ hours of work, and provide no medical insurance, no retirement plan, very few other benefits, and was tax exempt, it would be much faster!

Scientology claims to be infinitely more valuable than a college education. But just last year a local university near me, University of South Florida less than an hour drive from Flag had over 40,000 students. So 400 people in a course room at the same time isn't so impressive IMO.
My question was rhetorical though that probably wasn't clear,
trying to emphasize that this level of activity seriously declined.

Whilst I was at flag unbeknown to me the first mission holders
conference was held. My twin had a project where he arranged
for available public to attend a talk by Alan Walter and very
shortly thereafter Alan was declared. My twin looked sick
and uncomprehending when he heard this news.
 

TomKat

Patron Meritorious
Past Life Regression was the biggest "suck" of the Dianetics in the early 1950's.
Some dn'ists use the term as a regging tool. " Nothing in this lifetime is big enough to mess you up.
Past lives is what caused the first schism, with Hubbard embracing them and a lot of top dianeticists rejecting them. And then I believe in Dianetics 55! or some other 50s book, LRH said that you could tell when someone was running their thetan track because they ran incidents from an exterior viewpoint -- which would be deemed out-of-valence in DMSMH!
 

Gib

Crusader
Thus the phony scientific front of $cientology.

Hubbard knew the "scientific" angle for $cientology was completely necessary - so the public would think of his scam as something different than another typical 1950's UFO cult, which it was. If they could have heard him and his wife in that Scouting Universes tape the public would get a more accurate flavor of the hi-jinx.
no doubt:

http://www.european-rhetoric.com/ethos-pathos-logos-modes-persuasion-aristotle/logos/
 

Gib

Crusader
Past lives is what caused the first schism, with Hubbard embracing them and a lot of top dianeticists rejecting them. And then I believe in Dianetics 55! or some other 50s book, LRH said that you could tell when someone was running their thetan track because they ran incidents from an exterior viewpoint -- which would be deemed out-of-valence in DMSMH!
yes, past lives was a first schism form of early dianeticists, and why, because there was no proof, and then LRH went on to rhetorically tell there was past lives and then OT. However, no clear was ever happened by dianetic procedure, only some people got better but yet there was never any proof of that either.
 

Cat's Squirrel

Gold Meritorious Patron
Well it was natural for LRH, a "nuclear physicist," to think in those terms :)

I saw a 1920s Burroughs mechanical adding machine a few years ago, in a college professor's office. Burroughs as in William Burroughs, the Scientologist/Beat writer. The same company, through various mergers, was responsible for the famous Univac computer Hubbard would have known about back then.

That's correct. William Burroughs's grandfather had started the adding machine business. Burroughs jnr. said in an interview though that the family millions never came his way although he did receive a weekly stipend from it when he was in New York.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_S._Burroughs
 
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