Differentiation: The ORIGINAL OT Levels Available Only In Independent Scientology
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Infinite
Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller
They deliver this?
Apparently so . . .
Didn't Marty say he doesn't believe anything? Oh, never mind . . . its Scientology.
Smilla
Ordinary Human
Gadfly
Crusader
About OTs and cause over MEST objectively (ability gained at OLD OT VIII).
If there were one of these OT VIIIs, if Hubbard was at that state (which his followers apparently believe), then the entirely of OSA and all Scientology lawyers would be unnecessary.
If there were one Scientologist alive anywhere who was cause over matter, energy, space and time, both subjective and objective, then he or she could simply CAUSE all enemies and critics to VANISH. But, it doesn't happen. Scientology still fights it out day-to-day on the playing field of the raw physical universe, just like everybody else. What Scientology mainly wins at, when it "wins", is trickery and overwhelming others with PR and lawyers.
Oh, maybe that description of ability gained for OT VIII was a METAPHOR!
Note: In a sense they ARE "cause" over objective reality when they shut up a critic or close down a web site from the persistence and dedication of their abusive OSA tactics.
If there were one of these OT VIIIs, if Hubbard was at that state (which his followers apparently believe), then the entirely of OSA and all Scientology lawyers would be unnecessary.
If there were one Scientologist alive anywhere who was cause over matter, energy, space and time, both subjective and objective, then he or she could simply CAUSE all enemies and critics to VANISH. But, it doesn't happen. Scientology still fights it out day-to-day on the playing field of the raw physical universe, just like everybody else. What Scientology mainly wins at, when it "wins", is trickery and overwhelming others with PR and lawyers.
Oh, maybe that description of ability gained for OT VIII was a METAPHOR!
Note: In a sense they ARE "cause" over objective reality when they shut up a critic or close down a web site from the persistence and dedication of their abusive OSA tactics.
Bill
Gold Meritorious Patron
Well, isn't this interesting! What LRH actually did, when he was alive, isn't what "LRH intended"? It was LRH who removed the "original" OT levels and replaced them with NOTs. But the outside Scientologists have new information: LRH now intends the original OT levels to follow NOTs!
Apparently, the real news is that the outside Scientologists are back in communication with "Elron Elray" on "Target 2"! Expect new updates on what "LRH intended" shortly!
Bill
Smilla
Ordinary Human
Scientology's big secret is that there is not even the tiniest, most tenuous reason to believe 'that it's 'Clears' and 'OT's' possess any qualities or abilities beyond those of any other person you might meet on the street. They are not superior to anyone else in any way whatsoever.
Mimsey Borogrove
Crusader
You know Bill, you need to restudy the data series - this is obviously dropped out time. It is 100% certain at one point in time he wanted you to do the old levels. It is also certain later on he wanted you to do the new ones. Do you have a problem with them carrying out both intentions? And while they are at it, why not do some 3M and goals listing? There are the PC's own GPMs still to tackle after the implant GPMs are run out ( R-6 ew - OT II ) And what about route 1? Why limit ones self to a few OT levels when, as we know from studying Ron's HCOBs, ALL the tech works.....
Here, let me help you: Try not to be three feet behind your head.
Mimsey
Goodbye
Patron with Honors
That's exactly my point. I don't know. I could speculate, but what would be the point?
Dulloldfart
Squirrel Extraordinaire
Dulloldfart
Squirrel Extraordinaire
With regard to COHA Route 2:
In early 2006 I was experimenting with a procedure that turned into Rub & Yawn, so it ended up being very useful indeed. I wrote it up at the time here: http://fzglobal.org/r3xtrio.htm. Here's an excerpt (not really about Rub & Yawn at all):
As of April 12, I have run about 18 hours solo on these R2-60 items. I am up to "Inhibited Thinking", which ran for about 25 minutes a couple of hours ago as of this writing. Still going strong. About 90-95% of these items are charged. The secret is in thoroughly grooving them in, to make them real to the pc. I spend about five minutes seeing how the item would apply to me. As an example, the last one, inhibited thinking. I'll discuss this one simply because it is fresh in my memory, otherwise it isn't special at all. Inhibited thinking? Mustn't think about critical thoughts in the CofS; mustn't think about sex with underage girls; mustn't think critical remarks about friends as it indicates overts; mustn't think of restimulative things as it, er, restimulates one; other flows on this; inhibiting the relay of information from remote viewpoints one has put out; inhibiting info flow to remote viewpoints others have put out; all the above as it relates to other real or imaginary terminals (includes entities and such possibly mythical individuals); and so on.
I mention this process because I have been working on finishing off adding the Exp Grade 0 processes to PaulsRobot3. I first started adding this grade about three years ago, which shows how interested in doing this I am! I've got about half of it online, and for the past few weeks have been working on R2-60. Just this one process has about 280 pages and it's a pain in the butt to do.
The original instructions for this per the COHA book are to spot things like the Inhibited Thinking as detailed above, and then after each spotting to ask if it is being spotted in the physical universe, or merely in one's mind. You rapidly get the idea from the book that you're pretty second-rate if you can only spot it in your mind and not "out there." Exactly as Gadfly details, this is ridiculous.
So a long time ago I changed it a bit. I couldn't take it out totally as I want the PaulsRobot version of ExpGrade0 to be as true to the original as possible, so I added the following note on all the relevant session pages:
Exterior perception
The procedure as originally written has two aims:
The procedure as originally written has two aims:
- to discharge things that get churned up by the procedure (and one does have to dig in to do this)
- to drill one's ability to spot things directly in the physical universe remote from one in time and/or space.
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My point in all this is that Hubbard's enforced delusion does not only relate to OT Levels, but also right down the bottom at Expanded Grade 0.
Paul
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Smilla
Ordinary Human
I read the first four volumes, but after that I gave up. I wasn' t enjoying them enough to carry on with them. They felt very rough to me, as if they'd been dictated in a hurry.
Anonycat
Crusader
About OTs and cause over MEST objectively (ability gained at OLD OT VIII).
If there were one of these OT VIIIs, if Hubbard was at that state (which his followers apparently believe), then the entirely of OSA and all Scientology lawyers would be unnecessary.
If there were one Scientologist alive anywhere who was cause over matter, energy, space and time, both subjective and objective, then he or she could simply CAUSE all enemies and critics to VANISH. But, it doesn't happen. Scientology still fights it out day-to-day on the playing field of the raw physical universe, just like everybody else. What Scientology mainly wins at, when it "wins", is trickery and overwhelming others with PR and lawyers.
Oh, maybe that description of ability gained for OT VIII was a METAPHOR!
Note: In a sense they ARE "cause" over objective reality when they shut up a critic or close down a web site from the persistence and dedication of their abusive OSA tactics.
Yes, SPs and PTS vanish like magic! Aside from powers of a wizard, an OT will create areas of sanity by virtue of their location - this means that any OT at an Org will not be bothered by SP protesters, because it's automatic and does not have to be "willed" to happen.
Veda
Sponsor
Go ahead and speculate.
HCOB 30 July 1973
Current State of Subject and Materials
Current State of Subject and Materials
There are perhaps 15 levels above OT VII fully developed but existing only in un-issued note form, pending more people's full attainment of OT VI and VII.
____________________________
HCOB 24 January 1977
Tech Correction Round Up 24 January 1977
HCOB 24 January 1977
Tech Correction Round Up 24 January 1977
X: Advanced Grades
For a number of years people have asked when will OT VIII will be released.
Well, to tell you the honest truth, OT VIII has been in existence all those several years, and to it has been added a very large number of OT grades. None of them have been issued. Notes for all these grades are in existence.
What I have been waiting for is 2 or 3 months of free time to go over these materials and write them up and make them available through Advanced Organizations.
Now I will make a bargain with you. If you get all the tech straightened out and the orgs and flaps and emergencies off my lines and get your training in and your Word Clearing in and everything flying and this civilization even more pointed in a civilized direction, you will buy me those 3 months' worth of time so I will be able to afford the time to write up all these Advanced Levels I have researched. Do your job well and buy me these three months.
Is it a bargain?
L. Ron Hubbard
Founder
Founder
Then Hubbard had time to write these:
Caroline
Patron Meritorious
<cringe> During the time when the ME books were coming out, word was going around among OTs in LA that Hubbard's real :wink2::wink2: Mission Earth briefing was embedded in his story.
This probably had traction because of Hubbard's tech on space opera.
Here's an OCMB post that I wrote about Scientologists from The Earth Organization [
], who were promoting [STRIKE]Jettero Heller's spore tech[/STRIKE] microbe technology to clean up the Gulf Coast oil spill.
I thought I was kind of getting it with The Invader's Plan, but then I lost the plot. Needed FDS, I guess.
This probably had traction because of Hubbard's tech on space opera.
Here's an OCMB post that I wrote about Scientologists from The Earth Organization [
], who were promoting [STRIKE]Jettero Heller's spore tech[/STRIKE] microbe technology to clean up the Gulf Coast oil spill.I thought I was kind of getting it with The Invader's Plan, but then I lost the plot. Needed FDS, I guess.
OperatingSP
Patron with Honors
OperatingSP
Patron with Honors
http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2012/11/02/scientology-is-working/#comment-237776
Marty has not answered or otherwise responded to this question. Marty has responded to other comments in the thread.
Caroline
Patron Meritorious
Dan Koon was apparently on a knowledgeable post during the relevant time period, and discussed the issue on this video, from about 3:45:
[video=youtube;F3HRf40gobE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=F3HRf40gobE#![/video]
Smilla
Ordinary Human
Now there you are looking at a true fanatic.
The Core beliefs of a Fundamentalist/fanatic Scientologist.
1. Belief in the infallibility or near-infallibility of Hubbard, or the fictional person, 'LRH.'
2. Belief in a Hubbard - devised 'Standard Tech.'
3. Belief in the thought-stopping diktat of KSW.
4. Belief that the states of Clear and OT - as defined by Hubbard, can be achieved through the application of Scientology.
5. The belief that only Scientologists can understand Scientology.
Anyone who has these firmly in place can rightly be described as a Fundamentalist/fanatic Scientologist.
The Cof $, Freezone, and Independents, though in some senses separate entities, make up the Cult of Hubbard, and agree more than they disagree.
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