Disconnecting from the dead
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Gizmo
Rabble Rouser
Ah, it would seem if some person felt they needed to disconnect from dead people that it would indicate the need for a type 3 declare on the person searching for dead people to be pts to - see what I'm getting at ?
This stuff really gets silly.
10 aug
pts rd
suppressed person rd
l&n ' who r WTF would this matter to anyway ?'
BTW - this pts stuff is just more made up bs to squeeze s few more bucks out of the gullible.
This stuff really gets silly.
10 aug
pts rd
suppressed person rd
l&n ' who r WTF would this matter to anyway ?'
BTW - this pts stuff is just more made up bs to squeeze s few more bucks out of the gullible.
phenomanon
Canyon
From memory the 10 August has the person trace back some non-optimum condition to the first time it happened and then asks who it (i.e., the SP) was. That wouldn't result in a list like this, which just looks like a random list of "SPs" to get the "auditor" to STFU and let her go.
If it's just one person, who happens to now be dead, yeah, a 10 August could result in that. I never heard of it before (I never C/Sed, so my ignorance doesn't mean much), but why not?
As for how that list came into being, well, some cult WISE mission can worry about it! Heh.
Paul
It came up a number of times during my auditing of the 10Aug.
It made sense to me that you could be suppressed by a dead person. Look at the people LRH is suppressing still thru his creation of scn.
Mimsey Borogrove
Crusader
Woah!
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Gib
Crusader
sure, I understand that. It would be because you bought into the "idea" of a dead person having a spirit. And yes the "idea" that LRH is suppressing still thru his creation of scn is the "idea", but he is not alone in that idea, history repeats itself.
I, personally, don't believe in things that go bump in the night anymore. I just don't know, and first I look around for actual causes instead of "ideas" from the spirit world.
HelluvaHoax!
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Thanks, but I am not even sure I am the one that said that. I am guessing someone else deserves the credit.
Aside from avoiding "stolen glory", I am saying this for another reason. In case Scientology actually succeeds in Clearing the planet--I don't want them to send R2-45 auditors to handle me. lol
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Gizmo
Rabble Rouser
" Well, given we are eternal non physical forms of life we can never be dead.
Of course, our mortal body will croak sooner or later.
Might want to give to some thought to this right now we are as dead as we'll ever be concept.
My guess is maybe the thing to put our attention towards is how alive we all are - or how much more alive we want to be ! "
I posted that some time back & it reminds me that we are as "connected" as we imagine we are & as "influenced" as we belief we are.
So, it seems, it is just so much easier to change our mind about how we feel about something ( or someone ) rather than go through the malarkey of writing a letter with a statement of intention to our long dead aunt Mathilda that had a dog I didn't particularly like.
Is it not beyond weird to write letters to dead people ?
But to answer a question that someone nibbled around : If on a L & N the result of who a person was pts to came up as Ron - or any org exec - then that was to be considered that the person who came up with the ' good guys ' as their item was the real sp - get 'em declared !
( Yes, I here & there had over worked under fed SO staff members that once in awhile came up with Ron as their item - were they very clever in figuring out a quick way to be off loaded ? I'll never know, but, offloaded they were ! )
Most all parts scn are shitty & that pts/sp stuff was some of the major shitty control of people they used.
Of course, our mortal body will croak sooner or later.
Might want to give to some thought to this right now we are as dead as we'll ever be concept.
My guess is maybe the thing to put our attention towards is how alive we all are - or how much more alive we want to be ! "
I posted that some time back & it reminds me that we are as "connected" as we imagine we are & as "influenced" as we belief we are.
So, it seems, it is just so much easier to change our mind about how we feel about something ( or someone ) rather than go through the malarkey of writing a letter with a statement of intention to our long dead aunt Mathilda that had a dog I didn't particularly like.
Is it not beyond weird to write letters to dead people ?
But to answer a question that someone nibbled around : If on a L & N the result of who a person was pts to came up as Ron - or any org exec - then that was to be considered that the person who came up with the ' good guys ' as their item was the real sp - get 'em declared !
( Yes, I here & there had over worked under fed SO staff members that once in awhile came up with Ron as their item - were they very clever in figuring out a quick way to be off loaded ? I'll never know, but, offloaded they were ! )
Most all parts scn are shitty & that pts/sp stuff was some of the major shitty control of people they used.
Dave B.
Maximus Ultimus Mostimus
I see your point. Hubbard could be suppressing people through his heinous creations. But aren't we ultimately getting to this "suppression" the person is suffering from is all in their mind. The effects are still here, but the person is (to use cult-speak)...... mocking it up. They can change their mind. In my case it took education mostly. Reading ESMB and seeing through the scam of the $cientology cult.
Mimsey Borogrove
Crusader
Where I disagree is the toxic policies, such as disconnection, fair game, etc. They are not in my mind, because I can't freely talk to my daughter at int. They are pretty damn real.
Those policies are active suppression penned by Hubbard - I suppose you could say - "but Mimsey - the policy behind FG and the big D are not actually suppressing you - but the brainwashed people who implement them are!"
Kinda grey area - huh? Would they ( the MAA et al) suppress me if he never wrote the damn things? The weird part - many of those people wouldn't do those things if it weren't for the general belief / agreement in what he wrote as being for the greatest good.
Mimsey
Dave B.
Maximus Ultimus Mostimus
Yeah, that's a whole different situation having family still under the thrall of $cientology.I was seeing it from my POV. i.e. not having any family still in the cult. (thankfully)
Gizmo
Rabble Rouser
I've known siblings that disconnected from one another. I seen the tears run down the faces of family members & I, for one, do not believe that pain is all in their mind as I have seen it in front of me in real people who are hurt by being entirely cut off from someone they love & or someone that is a sibling.
Yes, in my mind, when I've been disconnected from I have come to realize that I did no disconnect & on the non physical level will always remain connected, but, try getting a Mother to accept that when their child won't talk to them !
Disconnection, in my mind, is evil.
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