DISCOVERING THAT YOU ARE OT RIGHT NOW

[This is NOT OK !!!!]

I Agree with John

It took me a while, but I finally found something John wrote in the Cronicle I agree with:

In Ron’s Philadelphia Doctorate Course that I had come to love and know inside and out, Ron stated that one day I would discover that I needed to walk the rest of the way by myself, and I would have to run him and the subject of Scientology out.

That's why I'm here on ESMB - To "run" LRH and the subject of Scientology out.

 

[exsomessenger]

after all it is all COSMIC anyway! I think I just threw up in my mouth.

 

[AnonyMary]

It took me a while, but I finally found something John wrote in the Cronicle I agree with:



That's why I'm here on ESMB - To "run" LRH and the subject of Scientology out.

 

[FinallyFree]

I met this guy at the 4th of July Independents Party. He was a very kind and truly sweet older gentleman. And I mean gentle man. You all should seriously lay off.

 

[This is NOT OK !!!!]

I met this guy at the 4th of July Independents Party. He was a very kind and truly sweet older gentleman. And I mean gentle man. You all should seriously lay off.

And this is the exact reason that LRH and Scientology are SO evil and dangerous.

I feel sorry for John. I do. But the truth can hurt and after what I went through it's not fair to ask me to be encouraging towards him to hear more.

 

[AnonyMary]

And this is the exact reason that LRH and Scientology are SO evil and dangerous.

I feel sorry for John. I do. But the truth can hurt and after what I went through it's not fair to ask me to be encouraging towards him to hear more.

Try telling this kid that Star Wars isn't real

Star Wars according to a 3 year old.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBM854BTGL0

 

[degraded being]

I wouldn't know, I am not a Scientologist any more. I do know that the glass of the OP is a meaningless term and how a glass belongs to an OP, I do not know. If OP's could have glasses as you state, (see blue text above) neither you nor I would know what was in it without examining it. You appear to be another guy, similar to Mr. Nobody who chose your screen name well, congratulations to you as well for picking your screen name aptly.
Lakey

You're not a scientologist but you use my name as a true scientologist would.
To clarify: I use the term OP sometimes to mean *original poster* of a thread. I may be the only one to do this.

 

[Blue Spirit]

Very Cool Certainty

Try telling this kid that Star Wars isn't real

Star Wars according to a 3 year old.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBM854BTGL0

That girl had a lot of certainty, regardless of how the words came out.

A cool being. Let's see, in 17 years I'll be............... Oh well, just forget it !

 

[Panda Termint]

WTF IS going on?

Schwimmey, don't make the mistake of assuming that a willingness to view another's reality is the same thing as wanting to participate in that reality.

I find John to be a kind, loving, well-intentioned person. I like that about him.

I'm interested in what he has to say.

 

[AlphOhm]

Schwimmey, don't make the mistake of assuming that a willingness to view another's reality is the same thing as wanting to participate in that reality.

I find John to be a kind, loving, well-intentioned person. I like that about him.

I'm interested in what he has to say.

I'm interested, too.

Unfortunate that the "wall-o-text" was used as an intro--after seeing the video from earlier this month the "CL XII question" I had was answered, and he looks to be a fun guy.

So, John--speak up please.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Yep, He seems like a really nice guy and he's seems like he's still deep into the role playing game of Scientology.

Having spent a good many years in the entertainment world, it is easy to peg John as a "old school entertainer". One runs into hundreds of such ranconteurs who cherish any opportunity to hold court.

Often they are faded actors who cannot get any part but long for an audience and jump into character with any slightest provocation.

I see John as an actor.

He is still auditioning for a movie that was never produced. ("The Story of OT")

He just doesn't know the movie was never greenlighted. He is very excited he will get the part.

He has memorized the script and delights in telling the magical parts.

Matter of fact he oft times cannot get out of character in his real private life. He thinks he is a "magical thetan".

Kinda sad that he actually thinks these zany miracles he claims to have performed are real.

I know that many reading this are thinking "BUT WHAT IF HE ACTUALLY CAN....?"

That thought, my friends, is not good. You are gonna want to crank that drawbridge up and protect your castle against cult intruders charging at full gallop in your direction on horseback.

 

[SchwimmelPuckel]

Schwimmey, don't make the mistake of assuming that a willingness to view another's reality is the same thing as wanting to participate in that reality.

Thank's, I'll make an effort to that end.

I find John to be a kind, loving, well-intentioned person. I like that about him.

I'm interested in what he has to say.

Well, yes.. I never doubted that John has good intentions.. That much is clear from his words.. And there's a statistical likelyhood that I like him too.. I like most people really.. And after watching the video I think I do like him.. For what it's worth..

I'm no closer to believe in cars passing through other cars though!

So we're into what we mean when we say 'reality'..

There's the hubbardian mindboggled way, as in: "Another's reality' - This carries the notion that 'reality' is somehow 'real' as an effect of our beliefs.

A non hubbardian way of saying it is: 'I think it is..' or 'I believed so and so..' or 'It seemed, or looked, like..' - All these expressions allow for 'real reality' being different.

I don't think reality is much affected by what I think.. Either my take on it is correct and in alignment with reality.. Or it isn't, in which case reality unerringly continues to be reality and obstinately someting else than what I think. A 'condition' that concievably can exist indefinitly, without me being aware of it. Or the misunderstood can result in a rude awakening, even fatal accidents..

As in driving my car towards another car at a hundred mph, expecting to drive right through it..

So I do think John is misinterpreting the events that he tells us about.. And I protest because 'his reality' in my view is catastrophically out of alignment with reality.. Well, not that exactly.. It's more that his 'words' resemble some shameless salestalk from a particularly gung-ho over the top scientology registrar. Complete with veiled inval if I don't buy it.

As in not buying the 'reality' of teleporting cars, driving through them and making them 'narrower' to sqeeze through narrow spaces... Mewhahr! - But I do recognize the usefulness of such, if it was real!

So I have been a 'humorous asshole' about it. Early in the thread I posted this:

Hey! - This shit is useful! Solves all manner of problems with all those halfwit motorists on the roads everywhere! - I'm off to try it! <snip>

... Mind you.. I've had 'experiences' with cars and driving that I could have attributed to OT powers, but which I didn't. - So, without trying to be funny, I'll comment on John's magical OT phenomena once again:

Teleporting a car twenty miles down a freeway.

Back in 1971 my job was to drive an autotransporter, a big rig carrying up to 8 regular cars. Being young, 21, I was rather reckless, and the job had me driving long hours. In my free time I had other interests than to sleep! - This resulted in me driving that rig while being too tired... One night I parked the rig at home after a 5 hour drive through the country. I had the strangest experience of 'waking up' and realizing that I had no recollection of the drive! - None at all! - I recalled offloading all the small cars at a harbour 300 miles away, but nothing after that!

I attributed that to being too tired! - Also I realized that I'd done an unforgivable act in driving in that condition.. I didn't exactly take any 'pride' in my apparent ability to drive a 30 ton rig while being unaware doing it.. I was thankful for being so incredibly lucky that nothing happened.

After that I took care to get sleep.

Passing a car through another car.

Can't say I ever experienced anything like that. I always managed to either brake in time or swerve around obstacles. There has been close calls a few times..

Having the entire physical universe disappear and re-appear with a single thought.

This reminds me of a time, when I was 5 or 6 years old. I'd disassembled my moms new alarmclock.. Had it spread out all over the place. Fascinating! Lots of little brass cogwheels and springs and weird looking parts.. I couldn't put it back together again.. Needless to say, my mom was less than happy with me..

Hmm.. It's stuff like this that makes me leary of making the universe disappear!

Physically decreasing the width of a car using Ron’s golden anchor points with two other people in the car.

I did experience something like this once! - An early morning, it was snowing/sleet and still dark. I was alone on a 3 lane highway and driving (too) fast. Suddenly, in front of me and way too close for comfort, was concrete blocks and red and white striped boards. There was roadworks and the 2 right lanes were being diverted into the leftmost one.

I really didn't have time to become aware what was there.. Where the clear road was.. No time to see.. Only time to turn left following the blue sign with an arrow on it. Speed was way too fast and the road was maybe slippery!

I felt like time slowed. Without braking, I eased the car past the concrete block on the right. Seemingly with time slowed to a trickle, I carefully turned the wheel right, and avoided hitting the steel barrier in the middle of the road.

I had to stop after coming though. I didn't hit anything.. But my heart was pounding and I couldn't believe that I did come through that ok. It seemed impossible!

However, I'm sure that there WAS room for the car! - I didn't make it narrower.. Neither do I think I actually caused time to slow. But I do think that my awareness was enormously hightened by necessity and adrenalin in the incident.

Experiencing a peace and a love so grand it made all the above OT happenings seem like nothing.

This I can believe! - I even agree that peace and love is legitimate spiritual goals. It is something we really can attain and make the world a better place!

Right.. I've been serious long enough. Back to business and accusing 'The Magic Thetan' of teleporting cars into my house!

John! - I demand that you at once teleport that little Fiat and it's obnoxious italian driver someplace else than my first floor bathroom! - I need to use it!

 

[The Magic Thetan]

A Question from The Magic Thetan

Thanks for the corrections. I have apologize for my ignorance and reaction.

I am truly sorry for any pain, suffering and betrayal that you and others received because of false and undelivered promises made by Ron or anyone in the Church. I have known a lot of that kind of pain, and I sincerely hope that it all vanishes from your life.

May your life become what you want it to be.

If I have any real OT power at all, I sincerely dedicate it to your having a wonderful life.

I am sorry to have so negatively affected you with my Chronicle. I will seek to do better in the future.

All the Best to you and yours.

Love john
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[Dulloldfart]

John, I suggest that you lurk more here. Spend some time reading ESMB and getting familiar with the people. I think the increased familiarity here would help you. For example, Schwimmy hasn't hidden his identity at all, even if his real name isn't displayed on every post.

If you don't want to do that, then post your Chronicles without further comment, or link to them if they are webbed somewhere else.

If you don't want to do that, well, sorry but you deserve all you get here.

Paul

 

[SchwimmelPuckel]

Since you have chosen to reveal my name to everyone instead of honoring the right of ESMB members to keep their true name confidential, would you like to reveal yours to everyone.

Sure: Thomas Henry Sørensen. My story is at the 'scientology' link at the bottom of all my posts. My website is accessible from the drop down menu on my 'nick' at the top of posts.

But I refuse to be guilty of 'revealing' your name.. You did that in your first post on this thread. In fact I copy/pasted your text to avoid any misspelling.

I also would like to acknowledge the great job you have done of instantly invalidate and attacking me, my honor, my honesty and my integrity. In all the years that I was in the Church, I never found anyone who did a better job of attacking me than you have done. Most of them had to get to know me a little before they launched into a champagne of attempting to get everyone to think ill of me.

Why thank's for the ack! - Nice 'intellectual' trickery with claiming integrity, honour and honesty.. Right on top of claiming to be driving cars through other cars? - Did you by any chance consider that someone less skeptical than me might believe you and try that?

Do you think there is any validity to the old tech idea that what a person complains about is a reflection of things they have done themselves?

I don't think there's much validity in any of Hubbard's 'tech'. But I do recognise that you are trying to shift blame onto myself for disagreeing or not believing you. Using an appropriate hubbardism.

Did you ever consider that your great willingness to invalidate and put me down might be similar to what you accuse the Church of doing?

I don't get you.. I accuse the 'Church' of lots of things, none of which I see any obvious connection to my responses to you?

And in fact I'm not 'invalidating' you personally in any way. I invalidate some of the stuff you say. Like 'unlikely' OT phenomena that you present as 'reality'.

Read my post above.

<Edit>John added some text while I was typing this reply.. Maybe not for me specifically, but more for all of us.. However, I appreciate the sentiments. Thank's!

 

[degraded being]

So much for the miracle worker.Much worse than I thought.

 

[Royal Prince Xenu]

You're not a scientologist but you use my name as a true scientologist would.
To clarify: I use the term OP sometimes to mean *original poster* of a thread. I may be the only one to do this.

I find it odd that you have to clarify this point. OP has meant "Opening Post" or "Original Poster" across so many fora that I can't see how someone could contextually confuse it with a Scn term.

 

[SchwimmelPuckel]

Means 'Operation' too.. As in an intelligence OP.. But that's not a 'native' scientology or OSA term either. It's from the 'Intelligence Community' itself, and/or military.

 

[degraded being]

I find it odd that you have to clarify this point. OP has meant "Opening Post" or "Original Poster" across so many fora that I can't see how someone could contextually confuse it with a Scn term.

It was in response to this:

Originally Posted by lkwdblds
I wouldn't know, I am not a Scientologist any more. I do know that the glass of the OP is a meaningless term and how a glass belongs to an OP, I do not know. If OP's could have glasses as you state, (see blue text above) neither you nor I would know what was in it without examining it. You appear to be another guy, similar to Mr. Nobody who chose your screen name well, congratulations to you as well for picking your screen name aptly.
Lakey..end quote.

Which itself was a response to something else containing a figurative term. Anyhow the whole thing is getting confusing. About the oddness though, if you think that was odd, hold onto your hat honey, you aint seen nothing yet. Unless of course you have been following this thread.

 

[lkwdblds]

Please help me out with some proper definitions

You're not a scientologist but you use my name as a true scientologist would.
To clarify: I use the term OP sometimes to mean *original poster* of a thread. I may be the only one to do this.

DB - Can you please help me out. Here are standard English definitions for the words "degraded" and "being"

Here is a non Scientology definition of degraded.

de·grad·ed (d-grdd)
adj.
1. Reduced in rank, dignity, or esteem.
2. Having been corrupted or depraved.
3. Having been reduced in quality or value.

Here is a non Scientologese definition of the word "being" used as a noun.

be·ing (bng)
n.
1. The state or quality of having existence. See Synonyms at existence.
2.
a. Something, such as an object, an idea, or a symbol, that exists, is thought to exist, or is represented as existing.
b. The totality of all things that exist.
3.
a. A person: "The artist after all is a solitary being" (Virginia Woolf).
b. All the qualities constituting one that exists; the essence.
c. One's basic or essential nature; personality.

As I see it, correct me if I am wrong, all three of the definitions for degraded also apply in Scientologese, let us pick definition #2. For the word "being" I pick #3a. and #3c and prefer to combine the two definitions.

Thus in regular English, degraded being means "A person, one's basic or essential nature, personality which has been corrupted and depraved."

Now in Scientologese, degraded being means, "A person, one's basic or essential nature, personality which has been corrupted and depraved."

So the difference in the two definitions is.....<Fanfare>..... Nothing! So DB, since both the Scientologese and English definitions are the same, can you please rephrase what your point is. Look, I don't know you, I have no idea as to whether you are corrupted or depraved or reduced in rank from some former state. You chose the name "Degraded Being" for yourself and to me that signifies that the term applies to you presonally. I respect your right to choose to call yourself whatever it is that you feel appropriate. It is your call.

On OP, the normal usage that I am familiar with is "Opening Post" in a thread. I thought, well maybe that is not the only definition and then you offer up, "Original Poster" and I am thinking Okay but then you add, "I may be the only one to to this (I assume you mean to use the alternate definition).

On this one, you make a point but then shoot yourself with a foot bullet by saying that you may be the only one to use the alternate definition. If you are the only one to use that definition, wouldn't it be better to define your usage so that other board members such as myself know what you are talking about? Do you not want to do this because you feel you would be using Scientology if you stooped so low as to define your terms? I don't think only Scientologists define their terms, it is also done in the non Scientology world.

SUMMARY - I am trying to work with you and establish some common ground. You imply that I am using the "Scientology" definition for degraded being and this tells me that you are using the non Scientology definition but then when I look it up, both definitions are essentially identical.

Then on "OP", you use an alternate defefinition, knowing full well that you may be the only one who uses this alternate definition and yet you do not point this out until after the fact. Well, even if you were implying "original poster", one would still have to look into his glass to see what was in there and to what level the glass was filled. You did not address this area at all. You just dismissed the OP in a snap judgement, knee jerk reaction and using the glass being half full or half empty analogy, one would have to examine the glass but you make a snap judgement with no examination of the glass! My concern is that your first at leat examine the glass.

Help me out! I am trying to clear up terms so I we can establish some common ground so that we can dialogue. Also, if you could use some of your critical thinking abilities and not rely so much on cliches and plays on words, that would be helpful and appreciated.
Lakey