DISCOVERING THAT YOU ARE OT RIGHT NOW

[Freeminds]

Before we jump all over John and his nonsensical claims...

Please bear in mind that he's a victim. Sure, it's frustrating to encounter somebody who's in denial about the fraud of Scientology, and who is trying so very hard to make the Tech work... but he's going to have to work it out for himself.

It's sad, and he may actually be a danger to himself as a result of the strange things he appears to believe... but I don't think he's here to recruit an army of zombie Ronbots, nor to profit from us. It's just very, very hard to admit that you've been scammed - over a period of decades. Especially when your whole basis for critical thought has been tampered with, from the basics of language on up.

Get well soon, 'Magic Thetan'.

PS: loved the rusted Ferris wheel analogy, somebody. A perfect picture of Dianetics today.

 

[degraded being]

DB - Can you please help me out. Here are standard English definitions for the words "degraded" and "being"

Here is a non Scientology definition of degraded.

de·grad·ed (d-grdd)
adj.
1. Reduced in rank, dignity, or esteem.
2. Having been corrupted or depraved.
3. Having been reduced in quality or value.

Here is a non Scientologese definition of the word "being" used as a noun.

be·ing (bng)
n.
1. The state or quality of having existence. See Synonyms at existence.
2.
a. Something, such as an object, an idea, or a symbol, that exists, is thought to exist, or is represented as existing.
b. The totality of all things that exist.
3.
a. A person: "The artist after all is a solitary being" (Virginia Woolf).
b. All the qualities constituting one that exists; the essence.
c. One's basic or essential nature; personality.

As I see it, correct me if I am wrong, all three of the definitions for degraded also apply in Scientologese, let us pick definition #2. For the word "being" I pick #3a. and #3c and prefer to combine the two definitions.

Thus in regular English, degraded being means "A person, one's basic or essential nature, personality which has been corrupted and depraved."

Now in Scientologese, degraded being means, "A person, one's basic or essential nature, personality which has been corrupted and depraved."

So the difference in the two definitions is.....<Fanfare>..... Nothing! So DB, since both the Scientologese and English definitions are the same, can you please rephrase what your point is. Look, I don't know you, I have no idea as to whether you are corrupted or depraved or reduced in rank from some former state. You chose the name "Degraded Being" for yourself and to me that signifies that the term applies to you presonally. I respect your right to choose to call yourself whatever it is that you feel appropriate. It is your call.

On OP, the normal usage that I am familiar with is "Opening Post" in a thread. I thought, well maybe that is not the only definition and then you offer up, "Original Poster" and I am thinking Okay but then you add, "I may be the only one to to this (I assume you mean to use the alternate definition).

On this one, you make a point but then shoot yourself with a foot bullet by saying that you may be the only one to use the alternate definition. If you are the only one to use that definition, wouldn't it be better to define your usage so that other board members such as myself know what you are talking about? Do you not want to do this because you feel you would be using Scientology if you stooped so low as to define your terms? I don't think only Scientologists define their terms, it is also done in the non Scientology world.

SUMMARY - I am trying to work with you and establish some common ground. You imply that I am using the "Scientology" definition for degraded being and this tells me that you are using the non Scientology definition but then when I look it up, both definitions are essentially identical.

Then on "OP", you use an alternate defefinition, knowing full well that you may be the only one who uses this alternate definition and yet you do not point this out until after the fact. Well, even if you were implying "original poster", one would still have to look into his glass to see what was in there and to what level the glass wasfilled. You did not address this area at all. You just dismissed the OP in a snap judgement, knee jerk reaction and using the glass being half full or half empty analogy, one would have to examine the glass but you make a snap judgement with no examination of the glass!

Help me out! I am trying to clear up terms so I we can establish some common ground so that we can dialogue.
Lakey

Re: OP. Look back a couple of posts at what Royal Prince Xenu said. Seems OP is used with two definitions, even if you only use one.

Re: quote:
"SUMMARY - I am trying to work with you and establish some common ground. You imply that I am using the "Scientology" definition for degraded being and this tells me that you are using the non Scientology definition but then when I look it up, both definitions are essentially identical."

Did you find the term Degraded Being in a standard dictionary?

 

[MrNobody]

that's a bit harsh...

The direct comparison to Marty & Co. was a bit unfair. I apologize for that.

at least John made himself accessable and openly communicated here.

I've only seen some monologues containing some unrealistic claims, and one accusation that another user had revealed his name, which he in fact did himself right in his 1st post. I wouldn't call that "communication", but of course you're entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine.

FYI, I did a bit of research and found that he's nearing 70 yrs of age and is a recent widow. Like I asked - give him a break.

I'm sure he's not the only one in that age class around here, and he surely isn't the only one on this board who had one or more tragic losses - maybe even very recent ones. This doesn't make me accept irrational claims. So nope, no break from me. I might step back for a while, and wait and see if he really begins to communicate.


my €0.02

 

[lkwdblds]

How kind of you Free Thinker

Before we jump all over John and his nonsensical claims...

Please bear in mind that he's a victim. Sure, it's frustrating to encounter somebody who's in denial about the fraud of Scientology, and who is trying so very hard to make the Tech work... but he's going to have to work it out for himself.

It's sad, and he may actually be a danger to himself as a result of the strange things he appears to believe... but I don't think he's here to recruit an army of zombie Ronbots, nor to profit from us. It's just very, very hard to admit that you've been scammed - over a period of decades. Especially when your whole basis for critical thought has been tampered with, from the basics of language on up.

Get well soon, 'Magic Thetan'.

PS: loved the rusted Ferris wheel analogy, somebody. A perfect picture of Dianetics today.

It is very kind of you to be concerned about John and I am serious and not poking fun. If you read his enormously long opening OP, down near the end are a few paragraphs of how he came to leave Scientology.

Like most of us, false charges were trumped up against him and a bogus hearing was held. After numerous successful defences of similar Comm Evs, he decided not to even attend his last one and as a result he was declared a suppressive on Golden Rod and lost all his friends and business associates.

For twenty years, he did not associate with ex Scientologists and pursued other interests instead. He knows there were a lot of injustices going on in C of S since he was a victim of them himself. He knows many of us were wronged and harmed by the organization since he himself was harmed terribly. As was common with many, twenty years of high statistics producing for C of $ was not acknowledged and was brushed away like a crumb on a table and instead some silly bogus charges were trumped up and he was declared Suppressive.

The only issue at hand is whether or not he has OT powers. Each person will make their own judgements on that. Many prefer to make a knee jerk reaction and not consider any evidence he may present to the contrary and that is certainly understandable. A few will hear him out and believe that he may have such powers and that is also certainly understandable.

As far as getting well, I can not speak for him but it appears to me that he is enjoying the ex Scientology field, particularly since he attended the July 4th party at Diana Class XIII's home (I was there too), and I imagine he is excited about having such a large response to his writings on ESMB.

I applaud you, Freeminds, for worrying a little about John and being concerned about him instead of just jumping on a band wagon to bash him.
Lakey

 

[EP - Ethics Particle]

The "apparency" vs "reality"...

Re: OP. Look back a couple of posts at what Royal Prince Xenu said. Seems OP is used with two definitions, even if you only use one.

Re: quote:
"SUMMARY - I am trying to work with you and establish some common ground. You imply that I am using the "Scientology" definition for degraded being and this tells me that you are using the non Scientology definition but then when I look it up, both definitions are essentially identical."

Did you find the term Degraded Being in a standard dictionary?

DB - it "appears" to me that you are attempting to create "Dev-T" for Lakey! Now what the actual "reality" is, is "as is" may be and we will not speculate further - hear? :wink2:

Know what I mean, dude?

EP

 

[lkwdblds]

Thanks EP

DB - it "appears" to me that you are attempting to create "Dev-T" for Lakey! Now what the actual "reality" is, is "as is" may be and we will not speculate further - hear? :wink2:

Know what I mean, dude?

EP

Thanks for the back up EP. To answer DB, of course, I just looked up the definitions of degraded and being on Google, taking them from a normal English Dictionary, copying the URL's and pasting them on my reply.

DB admitted that he bellieved that he may be the only one who used OP to mean Original Poster at the time he used the term Therefore he did not make sure that others knew that he was using what he considered was an alternate definition of the word at the time he used the term.

The fact that someone else said afterwards that his alternate usage was common is irrelevant, at the time he used the term, he thought he may be the only one who used it that way and yet failed to make it clear to the board.

Its all a moot point anyway, because I then stated that no matter which definition he was using, he would first have to examine the glass to properly use the term. This was the crux of the argument and for the second time, he failed to respond to my main point. I tried to communicate in a serious manner to DB but he seems incapable of holding a meaningful dialogue but instead prefers to skirt around the main issue by creating a lot of confusion about minor side issues.
Lakey

 

[Royal Prince Xenu]

I wouldn't know, I am not a Scientologist any more. I do know that the glass of the OP is a meaningless term and how a glass belongs to an OP, I do not know. If OP's could have glasses as you state, (see blue text above) neither you nor I would know what was in it without examining it. You appear to be another guy, similar to Mr. Nobody who chose your screen name well, congratulations to you as well for picking your screen name aptly.
Lakey..end quote.

Which itself was a response to something else containing a figurative term. Anyhow the whole thing is getting confusing. About the oddness though, if you think that was odd, hold onto your hat honey, you aint seen nothing yet. Unless of course you have been following this thread.

Seriously, whether OP is opening post or original poster really only makes a signficance grammatically, but even I fail to understand what you mean by "the glass of the OP" or how "a glass belongs to an OP".

I try to craft my words fairly meticulously making great use of "poetic license", but even I cannot decypher the idiosyncratic syntax of your quoted statement.

Please don't assume I'm picking on you. I just would like the language issue sorted before it gets out of hand.

 

[thetanic]

I'm so used to OP = original poster that I can't even think with the idea of OP being opening post.

 

[Zinjifar]

I'm so used to OP = original poster that I can't even think with the idea of OP being opening post.

Just to further murky up the situation and in case you want to reset the ole meat computer, there's always 'down with OPP'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJgFU3U4X_Y

Zinj

 

[Royal Prince Xenu]

Just to further murky up the situation and in case you want to reset the ole meat computer, there's always 'down with OPP'.

Zinj

Is this about getting the brain to do a cold reboot through the use of "percussive maintenance"?

 

[lkwdblds]

I'll explain it to you.

Seriously, whether OP is opening post or original poster really only makes a signficance grammatically, but even I fail to understand what you mean by "the glass of the OP" or how "a glass belongs to an OP".

I try to craft my words fairly meticulously making great use of "poetic license", but even I cannot decypher the idiosyncratic syntax of your quoted statement.

Please don't assume I'm picking on you. I just would like the language issue sorted before it gets out of hand.

I'll explain it to you. I was using a metaphor and stating that with regard to TMT, The Magic Thetan, and his claims to have major OT powers which he is willing to share with other people, I view the glass half full and DB views the glass half empty. I then pointed out to DB that his viewing TMT's glass as being half empty was only based on a knee jerk action because he has never viewed the glass.

Ths last sentence of mine is a further expansion of my metaphor. By saying that DB never viewed TMT's glass, I was saying that he never checked into TMT's claims, never did any research or tried to use TMT's techniques. His claim that TNT is a scammer or whatever negative remarks he made were made in a knee jerk reaction type of response without actually checking TMT out.

Summary: I made only two points.
#1. I view TMT's glass as being half full and DB views TMT's glass as being half empty.
#2. DB's view is knee jerk reaction since he has not really checked TMT out.
By using the word "glass", I am refering TMT's claims and his exuberance and confidence that he has these abilities and can teach them to others. It is used metaphorically.

Royal Prince Xenu, this is not Rocket Science. I have read your posts before and know that you are quite literate and intelligent. Surely, you understand the point I was trying to make. I am not judgemental, If DB wants to reject TMT without studying his materials and trying out his techniques that is fine. A lot of people feel that way and I have no problem with it.

I was just simply pointing out our differences. My only problem with DB is that he will not address my main point in his reponses. He seems to prefer to put out smoke by introducing some small side issue and then trying to confuse the issue
by arguing with me about that instead of giving his honest opinion on the area I where I actually made my comments. To me that is just nonsense and I don't have time for it.

If someone such as DB wants to have honest discussion with me, I am more than happy to oblige him and am always supportive and show respect to other valid points of view than mine. However, if a guy merely wants to create confusion and blow smoke, I go elsewher to someone who is willing to engage in serious dialogue where both parties can learn something.
Lakey

 

[SchwimmelPuckel]

OP = Osculate Posterior

 

[MrNobody]

<snip>

I'm no closer to believe in cars passing through other cars though!

As I've mentioned ITT, I've had almost exactly such an illusion after having been awake and driving 70+ hours. Yes, I was that irresponsible back then. The only difference: In my case it were a herd of bikers coming towards me. About 50 of them. Driving right through them was a quite frightening experience.

Of course it was just an illusion, but it woke me up enough to stop at the next parking lot and take a nap. In retrospect, I'm just glad that I didn't hurt anybody. So yeah, the mind can play some pretty impressive tricks on people, but that doesn't mean it's real.

Info: German Autobahns are basically one-way-streets, as the lanes are usually strictly separated from the ones going in the opposite direction. So a herd of bikers suddenly coming towards me made no sense.

<snip>
Back in 1971 my job was to drive an autotransporter, a big rig carrying up to 8 regular cars. Being young, 21, I was rather reckless, and the job had me driving long hours. In my free time I had other interests than to sleep! - This resulted in me driving that rig while being too tired... One night I parked the rig at home after a 5 hour drive through the country. I had the strangest experience of 'waking up' and realizing that I had no recollection of the drive! - None at all! - I recalled offloading all the small cars at a harbour 300 miles away, but nothing after that!

I attributed that to being too tired! - Also I realized that I'd done an unforgivable act in driving in that condition.. I didn't exactly take any 'pride' in my apparent ability to drive a 30 ton rig while being unaware doing it.. I was thankful for being so incredibly lucky that nothing happened.

After that I took care to get sleep.

Can't say I ever experienced anything like that. I always managed to either brake in time or swerve around obstacles. There has been close calls a few times..

This reminds me of a time, when I was 5 or 6 years old. I'd disassembled my moms new alarmclock.. Had it spread out all over the place. Fascinating! Lots of little brass cogwheels and springs and weird looking parts.. I couldn't put it back together again.. Needless to say, my mom was less than happy with me..

Hmm.. It's stuff like this that makes me leary of making the universe disappear!

I did experience something like this once! - An early morning, it was snowing/sleet and still dark. I was alone on a 3 lane highway and driving (too) fast. Suddenly, in front of me and way too close for comfort, was concrete blocks and red and white striped boards. There was roadworks and the 2 right lanes were being diverted into the leftmost one.

I really didn't have time to become aware what was there.. Where the clear road was.. No time to see.. Only time to turn left following the blue sign with an arrow on it. Speed was way too fast and the road was maybe slippery!

I felt like time slowed. Without braking, I eased the car past the concrete block on the right. Seemingly with time slowed to a trickle, I carefully turned the wheel right, and avoided hitting the steel barrier in the middle of the road.

I had to stop after coming though. I didn't hit anything.. But my heart was pounding and I couldn't believe that I did come through that ok. It seemed impossible!

However, I'm sure that there WAS room for the car! - I didn't make it narrower.. Neither do I think I actually caused time to slow. But I do think that my awareness was enormously hightened by necessity and adrenalin in the incident.

This I can believe! - I even agree that peace and love is legitimate spiritual goals. It is something we really can attain and make the world a better place!

Right.. I've been serious long enough. Back to business and accusing 'The Magic Thetan' of teleporting cars into my house!

John! - I demand that you at once teleport that little Fiat and it's obnoxious italian driver someplace else than my first floor bathroom! - I need to use it!

Well, the gaps suddenly appearing and just wide enough to let me and my vehicle pass unharmed also aren't uncommon to me.
SchwimmelPuckel, I'd really love to meet you one day and have a beer with you. I think we would get along pretty well.

 

[Royal Prince Xenu]

I'll explain it to you. I was using a metaphor and stating that with regard to TMT, The Magic Thetan, and his claims to have major OT powers which he is willing to share with other people, I view the glass half full and DB views the glass half empty. I then pointed out to DB that his viewing TMT's glass as being half empty was only based on a knee jerk action because he has never viewed the glass.

Ths last sentence of mine is a further expansion of my metaphor. By saying that DB never viewed TMT's glass, I was saying that he never checked into TMT's claims, never did any research or trie to use TMT's techniques. His claim that TNT is a scammer or whatever negative remarks he made were made in a knee jerk reaction type of response without actually checking TMT out.

Summary: I made only two points.
#1. I view TMT's glass as being half full and DB views TMT's glass as being half empty.
#2. DB's view is knee jerk reaction since he has not really checked TMT out.
By using the word "glass", I am refering TMT's claims and his exuberance and confidence that he has these abilities and can teach them to others. It is used metaphorically.

Royal Prince Xenu, this is not Rocket Science. I have read your posts before and know that you are quite literate and intelligent. Surely, you understand the point I was trying to make. I am not judgemental, If DB wants to reject TMT without studying his materials and trying out his techniques that is fine. A lot of people feel that way and I have no problem with it.

I was just simply pointing out our differences. My only problem with DB is that he will not address my main point in his reponses. He seems to prefer to put out smoke by introducing some small side issue and then trying to confuse the issue
by arguing with me about that instead of giving his honest opinion on the area I where I actually made my comments. To me that is just nonsense and I don't have time for it.

If someone such as DB wants to have honest discussion with me, I am more than happy to oblige him and am always supportive and show respect to other valid points of view than mine. However, if a guy merely wants to create confusion and blow smoke, I go elsewher to someone who is willing to engage in serious dialogue where both parties can learn something.
Lakey

Yes, the explanation makes sense, but I must point out the glass is neither half full or half empty. The fluid is right amount, and it happens that the glass has been over-engineered.

 

[The Magic Thetan]

My Heartfelt Acknowledgments and Responses

My Heartfelt Acknowledgments and Responses
from The Magic Thetan
​

Regarding My Post entitled
DISCOVERING THAT YOU ARE OT RIGHT NOW
Posting #4134 Wednesday 28 July 2010 6:11 PM

- BLUE SPIRIT It has been a pure delight and an honor to work with this being. He is directly responsible for my being on ESMB. He was the one who presented the idea, and because of him I began writing the Johnny Raff Chronicles, which is turning out to be an amazing magical experience.

TO WHOEVER CREATED THIS SITE
My Complements. It is a beautiful, comprehensive and valuable creation.

TO Ikwdblds: Post # 4132
Thank you - thank you - thank you - for your beautiful welcoming of me to ESMB. It touched my heart and brought tears to my eyes. (I have always been a very emotional, “Chick Flick Loving” guy.

I delighted in your cleverness and your musically laced William Tell invitation to “Return with us now to the thrilling days of yesteryear…”

Thank you also for your suggestion that I break up the Chronicles into smaller units.

TO SweetnessandLight Post # 4135
The sweetness and Light of your being comes through loud and clear. Thank you for the Welcome and the “Heeeeeeeeere’s Johnny. I will add your suggestion to my signature line.

#4153 - Wow!!! Thanks for finding my December 3, 1986 response to the ComEv. I have not seen that in 24 years. It was fascinating to see it again.

# 4154 I will continue to be freely who I am. I tried being someone else once and I didn’t like it. I love your spirit. My complements to you and your parents for being wise enough to know that we must be free to look where we choose to look. Your are a beautiful spirit. Your loveliness flows off the page.

TO Leon Post # 4137 & Mark A. Baker Post # 4138
I agree. Mary Freeman deserves a lot of acknowledgment.

TO Ted - Post # 4139, 4140, 4141, 4143

Thanks for the correction on the word Theta from the Century Dictionary. It’s always great to get your false data and unknowns cleared up. The definition I used sprang out of the definition I accepted at the time.

Thanks for the processing acknowledgment and the memory of Yvonne. I loved her as a person and as the spirit she is now. Did you run the process on yourself? If you did, or do, I would love to know how it went.

Absolutely, our perception of LRH is our perception. It harmonizes with who and what we are creating ourselves to be at any given instant, and it can never be the whole. However, since God has all viewpoints, the more we get, the more Godlike we become.

TO Ikwdblds: Post # 4142 & 1144

I acknowledge the shit you went through and I applaud your remaining sane despite it all. From personal experience I can attest that Ron received many wonderful tech outlines for other that he credited to himself. I myself wrote up the suggestions and material that became his “The World Begins with TR0” materials, and I lived with “Old Timers” who created a lot of it. Ron’s ego was as great as his genius, possibly greater. I choose to focus on the FEEL GOOD stuff because I feel good when I do, but there was a lot of crap from the old man, a LOT of it. In my opinion, you are 100% totally correct in your observations.

#4150 Beautiful. Standard workable tech for your. Congratulations, and I love your up tones views of the future we have the power to create.

I love your observations about everything occurring at the exact right timing. Very astute look. Love john

I very much enjoyed your astute look at power and gravity. Thanks.

To RogerB Post # 4145

Hay old friend. I loved your flow. I lit up thinking of you and I look forward to hugging you again in the not to distant future. I look forward to your comments on my writing. Love Johnny
# 4147 - I agree with you. Ted is spot on.
# 4151 Thanks for your views on my response to the ComEv. I have not seen that in
# 4155. Thanks for the help back then. It was a rough time and your friendship was and is forever appreciated. You are so right about the good guys retaining themselves when they think they might harm other. Yuou are as sharp as ever - eternally sharp.

:wink2: TO: afaceinthecrowd Post # 4148

Thanks for reading my stuff. I never did the Class-XII course. Ron personally appointed me a Class-XII Qual Corrections Auditor as an outgrowth of the trouble shooting assignments he gave me over the years. Those assignments began in 1967 when I was on the Briefing Course at Saint Hill England. I wrote him about my car teleporting and car shrinking experiences, and it resulted in him having me do some OT process research and some trouble shooting. He asked me to keep his directives secrete, and I did. I will tell the whole story as the Chronicles continue. Love john

#4157. Please forgive me if I somehow said something in my Chronicle that lead you to believe that I consider Ron to be “actual and single source” for I DEFINITELY DO NOT consider him to be the only source. We are all sources of truth, and after I was awarded a goldenrod invitation to leave the Church, I discovered being that philosophically and technologically left Ron for dead. I am in close, very close, telepathic report with Ron, and I can tell you that he fully agrees that there were other beings who left him for dead, but, during his life, his ego would not allow him to say so. And I will be sharing all the details and my Chronicles continue. All the Best John

Dulloldfart Posting # 4159
Blue Sprint speaks very highly of you and the many times you have assisted others. Thanks for that.

Blue Spirit - Posting # 4164
I love your courage and willingness to say it as it is.

TO: freethinker Posting # 2 on my new thread.

Thank you for the invitation to edit down my work. I do tend to run off at the mouth, but at the same time, I have a desire to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the whole truth. I will however work to make my submissions more acceptable.

TO: Operating DB Posting # 3 on my new thread.

Isn’t it a bitch to have it seem like the really good things are too good to be true. I sincerely wish and postulate for you the discovery that all of the really good things are the only things that are really true.

TO: AlphOhm Posting # 4 on my new thread.

As I related earlier in this response, I never did the Class-XII course. Ron personally appointed me a Class-XII Qual Corrections Auditor as an outgrowth of the trouble shooting assignments he gave me over the years. Those assignments began in 1967 when I was on the Briefing Course at Saint Hill England. I wrote him about my car teleporting and car shrinking experiences, and it resulted in him having me do some OT process research and some trouble shooting. He asked me to keep his directives secrete, and I did. I will tell the whole story as the Chronicles continue. All the Best, john

TO: Zinjifar Posting # 5 on my new thread.
Thank you for your ability to not give a fuck. I find that that ability can be quite useful at times.

:wink2: TO Alanso Posting # 6 on my new thread.
Good idea. Thanks

TO Pepin Posting # 9 on my new thread.

Thank you for your loving comments and admiration. Admiration is always appreciated for there is nothing that ruins a writer like the absence of an appreciative audience. It reminds me of something I used to say in my seminars, “Attention and admiration are two of the most valuable things in the universe. By all means, get all that you can, but try not to fall into the trp of needing them.” Love john

TO Ikwdblds Once Again - Posting # 10 on my new thread.

Thank you again for your support, cleverness, class and wisdom. I used to say that our viewpoints need no defense because they were created by us, and thus they are totally valid. However, I must say that it is nice to have a being of your character defending my honor and integrity.

Just as an aside, I do not claim to have extreme OT abilities. I am simply stating with honesty and accuracy that I have had many amazing OT, life transforming, experiences. I have been blessed with the discovery that I have a number of wonderful spiritual abilities, but I do not to claim that I have these, for I feel that we all have these abilities. I have just been fortunate enough to have discovered that we are all OT, and it is my wish that you all discover this also. And yes, I do believe that I have workable ways that will enable you to discover your own unlimited abilities. And yes, I very much want to share these things, and I very much want them to work for you. Try the 1st process I delineated in the 1st Chronicle and let me know if it makes you smile, and if it makes you FEEL GOOD. I invite you to remember that the primary EP of any process is FEELING GOOD. If you feel good at the end of the session, it was a good session. If you feel really good it was a really good session. If you FEEL FANTASTIC, a fantastic session it was. I wish for you the feelings you wish for yourself.

TO Badass - Posting # 104 on my new thread.

Thanks for the welcome. I will post the full story as time goes on. May it be an enjoyable journey. I suggest that you believe only what you choose to believe, but I invite you to believe that in reading the Chronicles, you can at least be entertained.

TO: AnonyMary Posting # 121 on my new thread.
Good idea. Thank you.

TO: FoTi - Posting # 122 on my new thread.
Thanks, My experiences they were, and what we experience to be true for us, is true for us. And thank you Cory.

TO Pepin - Posting # 12 on my new thread.
Wow… Pepin… Just meeting you makes this all worth while. Thanks for your sincerity and wisdom.

TO ALL THE OTHERS who choose to acknowledge and honor what I had to say, THANK YOU. It was always a standard of mine, not to necessarily believe of disbelieve what someone had to say. Instead I simply choose to honor and acknowledge what they choose to say, and honor them for who that had created themselves to be. And for those of you who chose to do that with me, again I thank you.

In Conclusion, I wish to apologize if I said anything that offended you, or that invited you to feel upset in any way. I also apologize for any spelling and grammar errors I failed to catch. I simply wish to tell my story as it occurred, and I invite you to believe it or not as you choose. I also invite you to love me, as I love you, despite any reason you should not, and despite any provocation to do otherwise. Who you love and hate is of course forever your choice, but personally I would like it if you choose love.

As Always, I wish you all you wish for yourself.

May your life be everything you wish it to be, and if it is not, may I invite you into the joy of pretending it is.

Love,

The Magic Thetan

 

[Zinjifar]

TO: Zinjifar Posting # 5 on my new thread.
Thank you for your ability to not give a fuck. I find that that ability can be quite useful at times.

The Magic Thetan

Indeed John, the ability to not give a fuck and to determine for yourself what not to give a fuck about may be one of the core attributes of freedom *and* sanity

Zinj

 

[namaste]

Thank you so much for sharing with us here at ESMB, John. I, personally, see no reason for you to apologize for any of what you have written but I respect that your heart is in the right place as far as that is concerned.

I am looking forward to more of your chronicles or whatever you wish to post in whatever way you wish to present it.

 

[SchwimmelPuckel]

Allright.. John.. I see that you've deleted most of your post. Leaving an 'apology'.. I really don't know what to think about that. You don't have to apologise to me.. Well, it's awkward.

I also would like to acknowledge the great job you have done of instantly invalidate and attacking me, my honor, my honesty and my integrity. In all the years that I was in the Church, I never found anyone who did a better job of attacking me than you have done. Most of them had to get to know me a little before they launched into a champagne of attempting to get everyone to think ill of me.

Why thank's for the ack! - Nice 'intellectual' trickery with claiming integrity, honour and honesty.. Right on top of claiming to be driving cars through other cars? - Did you by any chance consider that someone less skeptical than me might believe you and try that?

Anyway.. I'm not satisfied that the above subject is done. For one thing.. I'd like to hear you answer to my question.. Did you consider that someone might believe you and actually try to drive their car through another car?

I think the answer is important!

Think about it.. You are either irresponsible, or you assumed that nobody would take you seriously. Ie. You were sure nobody would drive out and try it, and killing themselves and a welsh family with four wayward kids.

If the latter is the case.. Then you are being pissed off at me for calling this little sharade? - Hmm.. I'll concede that I'd find myself annoying too, if I were you..

Next thing that bothers me some.. You seem to be expecting me, and everybody? - To believe you on your word.. Else I'm offending your honor, integrity and honesty?

Well, considering that you tell me about teleporting cars and other OT phenomena of the third and most astounding kind.. Far out stuff! - But not farther out than Scientology's promotional hype!

Are you serious? - Not pulling my leg?

Do you actually propose that I can't doubt this, or not believe it? I can't challenge wild claims like these? - I need to believe you or at least keep my mouth shut, or you'll be offended and 'conclude' I call you a liar?

Oh man! - Good thing this ain't the wild west! - We'd have to shoot it out wouldn't we!?

Whatever.. I'm sure you have noticed that I don't believe in OT powers. The only reason that would bother you is if I'm right, eh?

I will always challenge that stuff! - I do not think we should believe in OT powers unless they are proven, tested and veryfied! - Or, as you mentioned yourself, that we have 'experienced' them ourselves and therefore know it's true.. Which would surprize the hell outta me!

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Indeed John, the ability to not give a fuck and to determine for yourself what not to give a fuck about may be one of the core attributes of freedom *and* sanity

Zinj

Fuck, Zinj...that's fuckin' good stuff!

Face

 

[Mark A. Baker]

John, I suggest that you lurk more here.

Naw. His only "offense", such as it was, was in telling his own story in his own way. He isn't attacking others for how they have told their own stories, as are many who are commonly cautioned to "lurk moar".

TMT has just managed to piss off a few people who don't like him talking about his own past experiences in such a positive light. Some people just don't like the fact that others have had fun with the subject of scientology.

Ergo, there is no real reason for TMT to "lurk moar".


Mark A. Baker