DMCA takedown threat received from the Ethiers

[RogerB]

"Ax man" is the third from the front I think;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoFFgVIy5t8&NR=1

Nice, Kev!

Reminds me of the old Sydney Royal Easter Shows I went to as a kid.

Real skill those boys have.

Some Yankee loggers came out to try that trick once . . . . what they didn't know is that the Ozzie wood is very hard wood, the Yanks were used to softer pine

We Ozzies, eer, umm, taught them a lesson or two.

Rog

 

[dianaclass8]

Re: DCMA takedown threat received from the Ethiers

Yes, many members of ESMB seem to use a lot of common sense.

I think it comes with taking responsibility for one's thought and actions instead of relying of some sort of authority, whether it's LRH, Marty, Pierre or anybody else.

But I think there's another aspect and that's what kind of people is attracted to the discussion. So there must be something done right on ESMB, just like on Geir Isene's or Silvia Kusada's blog.

How sad that some guys highly valued amongst freezoners can't make it amongst people with common sense.

I completely agree with you, the Freezone is in a very sad decaying state thanks to people like Pierre and terril parks plus other people I rather not mention. The double standards and the hipocrisy in some is absolutely disgusting. They get easily impressed as you say with authoritarian figures like Marty, LRH, Pierre and even terril.

Teril and Catherine invent the most amazing lies shamelessly to reach their objectives, like the one which says I sent an email to CE's boss and she got fired because of that, first of all I have no idea where she works and second of all I have no interes in their lives. It is true that I sent Catherine Ethier in an email while Pierre was at my house, a report of the situation with her husband at my house to an email address which we'd been corresponding for the time, perhaps it was her job's email address.

Apparently (my speculation) she was in the itnernet at her job and somebody might have caught her playing with the computer instead of working when I sent the infamous email to her.

One day, before all the trouble; she called me and told me that she was being laid off from her job because they were cutting personnel, this did not come as a surprise to her because she was aware that it might happen. Then terril and her invented that I sent an email to her boss and because of that she lost her job. If this had been true, Catherine Etheir and terril would have posted the incriminating email a long time ago. But they both know that it is a blatant shameless lie.

Catherine Ehtier called Pierre at my house to tell him that she was laid off and but he refused to talk to her and he never wanted to talk to her while he was in LA, so I did talk to her out of compassion; and I told her to go visit her child in her country and spend some time with him before she got another job, she then asked Pierre if he would come too and spend a family vacation but refused to go. She went by herself and she even sent me some pictures of the hotel and the swimming pool.


As for the PC in England, BB is mighty furious with me and demands that I give a refund to when terril knows perfectly well that that money the PC gave me was just to barely cover my traveling expenses and nothing else.


I can see perfectly that terril has double standards, on the one hand he demands ferociously that I give money back to the PC from England and on the other hand he defends Pierre against Emma and Tansy for the money that Pierre STILL OWES Tansy for services not rendered and yet terril says nothing about it.

Terril continues barking like a mad dog here at ESMB and WWP defending Pierre despite the fact that the 'great' Pierre Ethier tried to shut down ESMB...if that is not double standard, what is it?

It is ironic that it was Emma, Tansy and the critics of ESMB who finally put 'ethics in' on Pierre's insane behaviour.

 

[Emma]

Re: DCMA takedown threat received from the Ethiers

Note that you are the one who having both a mother and daughter as a PC told the Daughter to diisconnect from the mother
as she was an SP. The same day you ripped off a further £1500 and then left and have never made good your promise to pay that back.

I'm very happy you no longer consider yourself a part of the Freezone.

So it's a terrible thing when Aida "allegedly" does not return money when requested, but it's perfectly OK when Pierre does it?

I know you can't see how hypocritical you've become. I know you don't see your double standards. But I have a feeling you know when you are stepping over the line. Consider yourself warned.

 

[Smilla]

Terril is someone I find quite sweet in certain ways, but his behaviour regarding Aida, Les Ethiers and Emma, just ended up looking very malicious and duplicitous to me. His name calling towards Aida has been well over the line, as far as I'm concerned. At the same time, it seems that the clearly ill-intentioned Ethiers, can do little wrong. He seems to see their nasty and attacking behaviour as being trifling foibles, which should be quickly forgiven and forgotten. I can tell you one thing quite certainly Terril: You have no right to insult Aida the way you have. You no longer look like a gentleman to my eye. Gentlemen do not call ladies 'bitches' or a 'disgrace'. Shame on you. An apology would be appropriate. Even if she had done what you say, your behaviour would still be unacceptable. You are a potty mouth and a cad.

So Terril, are you man enough to apologise for your foul mouthed insults and nastiness towards Aida?

 

[dianaclass8]

Thank you Smilla..

Terril is someone I find quite sweet in certain ways, but his behaviour regarding Aida, Les Ethiers and Emma, just ended up looking very malicious and duplicitous to me. His name calling towards Aida has been well over the line, as far as I'm concerned. At the same time, it seems that the clearly ill-intentioned Ethiers, can do little wrong. He seems to see their nasty and attacking behaviour as being trifling foibles, which should be quickly forgiven and forgotten. I can tell you one thing quite certainly Terril: You have no right to insult Aida the way you have. You no longer look like a gentleman to my eye. Gentlemen do not call ladies 'bitches' or a 'disgrace'. Shame on you. An apology would be appropriate. Even if she had done what you say, your behaviour would still be unacceptable. You are a potty mouth and a cad.

So Terril, are you man enough to apologise for your foul mouthed insults and nastiness towards Aida?

 

[Veda]

Re: DCMA takedown threat received from the Ethiers

From 1 August 2011:

-snip-

Regarding what Pierre Charges for L's I don't know, and never ask auditors in general what they charge for what.

-snip-

Yet, on 4 April 2010, on page 86 (that's a lot of free advertising) of the now closed 'Freezone Success Stories' section, you insisted that,

"Pierre charges $10,000 dollars for all the Ls."

In other words, all three L's, combined, would cost $10,000.

This is troubling, especially in light of another Success Story posted in the now discontinued 'Freezone Success Story' section, featuring a Success Story about a fellow who was planning to spend his life savings on the LRH Bridge, with the idea that Pierre would be delivering OT 9, OT 10, OT 11, OT 12, OT 13, OT 14, and OT 15 to him.

One question that comes to mind: Has this fellow already made "advance payments" to Pierre to secure his place in line (when Pierre finally releases these LRH OT levels), and why does Pierre allow this fellow to continue with the impression that Pierre has unreleased (and apparently non-existent) OT levels?

But back to the discrepancy about the price of Pierre's Ls. Were you lying the fist time? If so, say so. Come clean.

 

[Mystic]

As an aside, I sincerely hope this Ethier thing is delivering LOTS of Ls to people. I never met any Ls Scientologists who weren't batshit bonkers egooverbloated.

We need all the batshit bonkers Scientologists we can get...they will eventually leave Scientology in the batshit they found it in in the first place.

So hooray for Marty, COTB

The Clam On The Beach

leading The Boohoos on up a little higher.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Now the threat (to ESMB) has been sorted out let the Indies/Freezoners call each other whatever they like, let them go for it.

I couldn't give a toss about their rantings (or similar rubbish from the cofs) because they are all basically singing from the same book and they are all unreliable due to being indoctrinated by a spite-filled egotistical lunatic.

​

 

[Emma]

Re: DCMA takedown threat received from the Ethiers

Regarding what Pierre Charges for L's I don't know, and never ask auditors in general what they charge for what.

Veda has already pulled you up on that lie. I'm curious to see how you will respond

But here is another lie I'd like to bring to your attention. I'm not sure who is lying but one or both of you are....

Victoria has just told me that she gave Tansey a D of P and attempted to fax to Pierre but the fax machine broke down. Tansey was then audited by Aida and Victoria has told me that Aida was not using a C/S. So Pierre in fact was never given data from Tansey's PC files, however one can well understand why he would have thought so.

Victoria might have given Ian a D of P but that was prior to SEVERAL sessions she audited him on some sort of life repair, all C/Sed by Pierre at 50 UK pounds per hour. SEVERAL sessions Terril, not one D of P. Ian paid Pierre 50 pounds per hour of C/Sing.

Soooooo.....Did Ian pay for C/Sing that never happened? Was Victoria lying when she said she was operating from C/Ses from Pierre? Was she only pretending to send worksheets to Pierre SEVERAL times after SEVERAL sessions? Was Victoria auditing without a C/S and in fact pocketing the money herself? Or is Pierre lying? Or are you lying?

 

[Smilla]

Terril: Another thing was very noticeable during the lunatic attacks on Emma by the Ethiers: Every time that criticism was directed at the Ethiers for trying to hurt Emma, you immediately shifted the focus to Aida. Where you doing this as a deliberate strategy, as a way of supporting the Ethiers? You appeared to be quite unconcerned about Emma's situation. Why did you defend the Ethiers and not Emma?

 

[Lohan2008]

Re: DMCA

Would TP even know what the truth is?
Selling Freezone is still selling Scientology, same product but a cheap knockoff with different label.

 

[RogerB]

Re: DCMA takedown threat received from the Ethiers

I agree with you, Paul.
A good example of that is a "cleanse" that Spouse and I did not too long ago.
Spouse lost 20 lbs in 7 days. Scared me bad! I only lost 3 lbs during the 2/3 wk cleanse, but I hadn't much weight to lose.
Turned out that most of the weight that Spouse dropped was water. He drinks gallons of water and retains some of it.
If these peeps who are morbidly obese could get off thair butts and start walking around and begin to do some exercises, cut down their food intake, they would begin to lose.
One of the morbidly obese posters from ARS days was complaining about having 'cronic fatigue syndrome'. Of course. The chick must've weighed in around 600 lbs.
But Pierre is supposedly an OT8. WTF. Where is his willpower? Where is his self discipline?
My thin frame is the result of teeny tiny bone structure ( altho I am 5'7'' tall), and my Mom's superb genetic history. Also, generally, I don't eat a lot . Having been born in the Depression, when food was scarce and we all had 'ration stamps', influenced me to chew every bite until it disappeared.
I love food, and I like to cook. I grow a pretty comprehensive herb garden and like to experiment with varius herbs to flavor our food. We eat everything with no dietary considerations.
There is 'overweight', and there is' fat', and there is 'obese'. Seems to me that the time to handle it is at the 'overweight' stage, rather than wait until it is an o'whelming condition.


Challenge

Agreed, Challenge.

To let yourself get into the condition Ethier is in is irresponsible. When I saw the wedding Pic I didn't recognize it as the same guy.

One CAN maintain one's condition. Now that I am working from home and not running about the town for a living, I have had to reduce myself to only two meals a day from three in order to maintain an ideal body weight and condition.

R

 

[Terril park]

Re: DCMA takedown threat received from the Ethiers

So it's a terrible thing when Aida "allegedly" does not return money when requested, but it's perfectly OK when Pierre does it?

I know you can't see how hypocritical you've become. I know you don't see your double standards. But I have a feeling you know when you are stepping over the line. Consider yourself warned.

What data I have re Tansey and Pierre is that Tansey said he was asking for refund of monies not paid. Pierre says it was a refund request.

I was not otherwise involved and can not determine the truth of the matter.

With regard to Aida the people concerned are my friends, and I have had extensive communication with them and have been copied with Aida's mails to them. And their mails to myself.

With Aida's permission and the senders permission I can post the mails.

My double standards?

Here I'm responding to a so called auditor who seeks disconnection of her PCs!!!!

You warn me?

I've always admired and defended you.

Here you lessen my admiration!

Do as thou wilt!!

 

[Terril park]

Terril is someone I find quite sweet in certain ways, but his behaviour regarding Aida, Les Ethiers and Emma, just ended up looking very malicious and duplicitous to me. His name calling towards Aida has been well over the line, as far as I'm concerned. At the same time, it seems that the clearly ill-intentioned Ethiers, can do little wrong. He seems to see their nasty and attacking behaviour as being trifling foibles, which should be quickly forgiven and forgotten. I can tell you one thing quite certainly Terril: You have no right to insult Aida the way you have. You no longer look like a gentleman to my eye. Gentlemen do not call ladies 'bitches' or a 'disgrace'. Shame on you. An apology would be appropriate. Even if she had done what you say, your behaviour would still be unacceptable. You are a potty mouth and a cad.

So Terril, are you man enough to apologise for your foul mouthed insults and nastiness towards Aida?

Dear Smilla,
I've spent a lot of time and effort to arrange correction for Aida. This has been on going for nearly a year.

However she refuses any corrction and instead attacks me and
Ken U.

You in favour of an auditor telling her PCs to disconnect?

If so state this very clearly!

 

[Smilla]

Re: DCMA takedown threat received from the Ethiers

What data I have re Tansey and Pierre is that Tansey said he was asking for refund of monies not paid. Pierre says it was a refund request.

I was not otherwise involved and can not determine the truth of the matter.

With regard to Aida the people concerned are my friends, and I have had extensive communication with them and have been copied with Aida's mails to them. And their mails to myself.

With Aida's permission and the senders permission I can post the mails.

My double standards?

Here I'm responding to a so called auditor who seeks disconnection of her PCs!!!!

You warn me?

I've always admired and defended you.

Here you lessen my admiration!

Do as thou wilt!!

You defended the Ethiers when they were gunning for Emma, and you used Aida as a smokescreen every time the spotlight was on the Ethiers.

Are you man enough to apologise for your foul mouthed treatment of Aida and your duplicity towards Emma?

Are you?

 

[Smilla]

Dear Smilla,
I've spent a lot of time and effort to arrange correction for Aida. This has been on going for nearly a year.

However she refuses any corrction and instead attacks me and
Ken U.

You in favour of an auditor telling her PCs to disconnect?

If so state this very clearly!

Nice try. Your behaviour is the issue here.

 

[Emma]

How amusing & ironic that you despise Aida for following Hubbard tech/policies. If in fact she did advise disconnection - she wouldn't be the first & won't be the last.

Disconnection is part of the tech you sell. It's Hubbard's way of dealing with disagreement. Why is Aida wrong (in scientology "think") for using Hubbard tech?

 

[Terril park]

Re: DCMA takedown threat received from the Ethiers

Veda has already pulled you up on that lie. I'm curious to see how you will respond

But here is another lie I'd like to bring to your attention. I'm not sure who is lying but one or both of you are....



Victoria might have given Ian a D of P but that was prior to SEVERAL sessions she audited him on some sort of life repair, all C/Sed by Pierre at 50 UK pounds per hour. SEVERAL sessions Terril, not one D of P. Ian paid Pierre 50 pounds per hour of C/Sing.

Soooooo.....Did Ian pay for C/Sing that never happened? Was Victoria lying when she said she was operating from C/Ses from Pierre? Was she only pretending to send worksheets to Pierre SEVERAL times after SEVERAL sessions? Was Victoria auditing without a C/S and in fact pocketing the money herself? Or is Pierre lying? Or are you lying?

I'm reporting what I was told.

I have no knowledge of previous life repair by Victoria.

Victoria was the Dof P and thus should be considered the horses mouth here.

Tansey would be able to contact Victoria I expect and if not
I can connect them.

Re Veda's comments I was told a few years ago that he charged
$10,000 for all the L's. Not by Pierre. I have no idea of the current situation there.

You and Ian can phone me, or viceversa as its free for me.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

From the Kangaroo Court Transcription ...

`They told me you had been to her,
And mentioned me to him:
She gave me a good character,
But said I could not swim.

He sent them word I had not gone
(We know it to be true):
If she should push the matter on,
What would become of you?

I gave her one, they gave him two,
You gave us three or more;
They all returned from him to you,
Though they were mine before.

If I or she should chance to be
Involved in this affair,
He trusts to you to set them free,
Exactly as we were.

My notion was that you had been
(Before she had this fit)
An obstacle that came between
Him, and ourselves, and it.

Don't let him know she liked them best,
For this must ever be
A secret, kept from all the rest,
Between yourself and me.'

Mark A. Baker
p.s. apologies to Lutwidge Dodgson

 

[Smilla]

Re: DCMA takedown threat received from the Ethiers

I'm reporting what I was told.

I have no knowledge of previous life repair by Victoria.

Victoria was the Dof P and thus should be considered the horses mouth here.

Tansey would be able to contact Victoria I expect and if not
I can connect them.

Re Veda's comments I was told a few years ago that he charged
$10,000 for all the L's. Not by Pierre. I have no idea of the current situation there.

You and Ian can phone me, or viceversa as its free for me.

Even if all you say is true, it does not excuse your foul-mouthed, bullying, treatment of Aida, or your very obvious duplicity regarding the Ethier's attacks against Emma.

So: Are you man enough to apologise for your foul mouthed treatment of Aida and your duplicity towards Emma?

Are you?