DMCA takedown threat received from the Ethiers

[EP - Ethics Particle]

Re: DCMA takedown threat received from the Ethiers

Is it just me, or has TO just gone "'round the bend"... so to speak? :confused2:

Whatever...

EP

 

[Smilla]

Re: DCMA takedown threat received from the Ethiers

Scientology: Almost as much fun as a bag of rats.

 

[Axiom142]

Re: DCMA takedown threat received from the Ethiers

…

Besides, I noticed you left out the following bit ....

Well obviously I’m only going to quote parts that suit me! Duh!

Pull the other one, it has bell's on.

Mark, I’m distraught! I thought that Scientology was the answer to everything.

No wait…

I'm inclined to the view that scientology can do a great deal to reduce the obstacles to a more reasonable way of life. However, it's up to the individual to make the choice. Scientology can't be effective on its own absent the intention of the individual.

Mark A. Baker

OK then – I’m inclined to believe that Scientology can provide some tools to have a better life. I’m also inclined to believe that the benefits are greatly overstated and certainly overcharged for.

I agree that the intention of the individual is paramount. Given the grievous state that the ‘official’ Scientology ‘church’ is in, does this imply that the intentions of the majority of Scientologists were bad?

Axiom142

 

[The Oracle]

Re: DCMA takedown threat received from the Ethiers

Is it just me, or has TO just gone "'round the bend"... so to speak? :confused2:

Whatever...

EP

GUILTY AS CHARGED! Yes Mr. (or Miss) prosecutor!

'Round the bend and far far awaaaaaayyy....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o4Fgh0KW_4

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Re: DCMA takedown threat received from the Ethiers

... OK then – I’m inclined to believe that Scientology can provide some tools to have a better life. I’m also inclined to believe that the benefits are greatly overstated and certainly overcharged for. ...

Well clearly that depends upon what is stated and how much is charged.

However certainly as regards the Co$ we are both in agreement. It's all a question of what promises are made, whether they are kept, and in what manner those promises are met. Nor do either of us trust lrh (now deceased), or his church, to honor their word.

... I agree that the intention of the individual is paramount. Given the grievous state that the ‘official’ Scientology ‘church’ is in, does this imply that the intentions of the majority of Scientologists were bad?

Axiom142

Remember? I'm the guy who doesn't believe in 'bad'.

I'm inclined to say it is because the vast majority of church members aren't nearly as clear on knowing their own minds as is appropriate. Reasons vary. Not everyone is the same, although many similar qualities may be common.

There is a general failure to insist on clarity, openness, and full understanding at each step of the individual's path within the church. Those least effected by the inanities of the Co$ have been those most insistent on maintaing their own understanding what they see happening around them and not simply accept the 'group think' of the church as correct.

All that stuff in the church involving 'hidden data', 'confidentiality', the lack of any actual independent support for statements or ideas suggested in scientology materials (as evidenced by hubbard being 'sole source' ), and the absence of clarity, openness, & honesty from the church generally are all aimed at keeping the monkeys out of the loop. Everybody is busy hiding something from somebody else, in part because the are told to do so, in part because it gives them a sense of being in the know. Starting with hubbard and right on down the line from him. The resultant effect is that hardly anyone has a clue as to what is really going on but they all imagine that they know.

That has clearly resulted in making the membership easy to be pushed around by those higher up the food chain, and all in the name of 'command intention'. What it does illustrate is that anything of which you don't understand you will go to the effect.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Mystic]

Re: DCMA takedown threat received from the Ethiers

I don't need to get with the program. I know Terril personally. He's a friend of mine. Point of fact, I cannot stand the Ethiers. But I'm not going to pull this 5th grade routine on Terril that if he likes THIS person, he cannot be my friend.

If you guys don't want to talk to him, then don't. But don't go posting emails and PMs you got from him. Woulda been better to ignore it or reply and ask him never to contact again.

A Scientologist is a Scientologist is a Scientologist. All the same feces, many different toilets.

 

[Mystic]

Re: DCMA takedown threat received from the Ethiers

Oracle? Orficle?

 

[The Oracle]

Re: DCMA takedown threat received from the Ethiers

A Scientologist is a Scientologist is a Scientologist. All the same feces, many different toilets.

It is very interesting the things you hold up for people to think with and view. Interesting pictures and notions.

A person's trademark character is the items they throw out with words or pictures for others to view or consider.

Whenever I read something you have posted I am reminded of a drunk homeless man who used to hang around my street in a darkened alley and expose himself to the children passing by.

Um,.....was that YOU? It was on the corner of Haight and Cole in San Fransisco in the Haight Ashbury district.

 

[Emma]

Re: DCMA takedown threat received from the Ethiers

Is it the objective of some of you to stink up ESMB so badly that it becomes completely unreadable?

Just wondering.

 

[Mystic]

Re: DCMA takedown threat received from the Ethiers

It is very interesting the things you hold up for people to think with and view. Interesting pictures and notions.

A person's trademark character is the items they throw out with words or pictures for others to view or consider.

Whenever I read something you have posted I am reminded of a drunk homeless man who used to hang around my street in a darkened alley and expose himself to the children passing by as he was ejaculating.

Um,.....was that YOU? It was on the corner of Haight and Cole in San Fransisco in the Haight Ashbury district.

Yes, you would be so reminded.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Re: DCMA takedown threat received from the Ethiers

Is it the objective of some of you to stink up ESMB so badly that it becomes completely unreadable?

Just wondering.

Thanks, Em.


Mark A. Baker

 

[The Oracle]

Re: DCMA takedown threat received from the Ethiers

Is it the objective of some of you to stink up ESMB so badly that it becomes completely unreadable?

Just wondering.

Quite right. Thank you Emma for the slap on the hand. I've edited that. Hoping you all can return to the healthy clean cheer this forum was before I made that post.

 

[Emma]

Re: DCMA takedown threat received from the Ethiers

Quite right. Thank you Emma for the slap on the hand. I've edited that. Let's return to the Walt Disney healthy clean flavor this forum was before I made that post.

It never was that, but somehow your appearances on ESMB often drag it down to levels not generally seen.

 

[The Oracle]

Re: DCMA takedown threat received from the Ethiers

It never was that, but somehow your appearances on ESMB often drag it down to levels not generally seen.

O.K., you have declared me a force that brings the forum down to levels not generally seen.

And you have your reasons to announce my guilt in that.

But if you think you can sell me on that idea and get me to buy into it, as a way to drag me down, it hasn't worked.

All I asked you for on this thread was if you could share the email with us.

As far as my retort to Mystic, I have a right to defend myself without apology. In the same manner I am assaulted, maybe a little bit wittier than referring to people as feces. Which seemed to be quite acceptable. Nobody protested about that.

Otherwise these are just wrong indications. Not only for me, but for the group. And as someone here protesting about things like that, that were done to you, I would think you be on higher ground.

For now, and for the future , I give the gift of my absence to those who do not appreciate my presence.

That is what it is all about in simple truth. ‎"Millions saw the apple fall, but Newton was the only one who asked why." -Bernard Baruch

 

[Emma]

Re: DCMA takedown threat received from the Ethiers

You have a choice to reply in any way you want. Everyone does. You chose the level at which you reply, or to not reply at all.

It wasn't only your post that degraded the board. I'm sorry if you thought I meant that.

I can't publish the email because it would just allow ANOTHER DCMA threat to occur. She is just waiting for me to make a mistake like that.

What I can tell you is that WITHOUT DOUBT, Catherine Ethier is trying as hard as she can to get ESMB closed down. I haven't told you half of what I now know about her activities to get her "target" completed.

I don't actually dislike you TO, but you just seem to be a part of a stinky mess whenever you arrive here. I'm not even sure if it's anyone's "fault" but I'm really sick of having the read the crap that gets generated when you are around.

 

[The Oracle]

Re: DCMA takedown threat received from the Ethiers

You have a choice to reply in any way you want. Everyone does. You chose the level at which you reply, or to not reply at all.

It wasn't only your post that degraded the board. I'm sorry if you thought I meant that.

I can't publish the email because it would just allow ANOTHER DCMA threat to occur. She is just waiting for me to make a mistake like that.

What I can tell you is that WITHOUT DOUBT, Catherine Ethier is trying as hard as she can to get ESMB closed down. I haven't told you half of what I now know about her activities to get her "target" completed.

I don't actually dislike you TO, but you just seem to be a part of a stinky mess whenever you arrive here. I'm not even sure if it's anyone's "fault" but I'm really sick of having the read the crap that gets generated when you are around.

The crap gets started before I get emails about slander and threads over here fairgaming me.

ESMB is dragged down to levels not generally seen when you have outside lawyers telling you to clean up the forum. I didn't set you up that. I tried to clean up some things over here having to do with attacking and maligning children. I was not the source on that madness when it started. I made noise after it was started as a routine here.

I am not the source on the Ethiers flap either.

Most people that know me know I work for the A.C.L.U. on children's rights and welfare.

Why is Catherine Ethier trying to get your board shut down? WHO is the source on the Ethiers rath? Who stirred up that shit? It was not me! I tried to calm it down.

When I "show up" it is when some other source has already dragged that madness over here.

Ask the Ethiers, ask them. WHO is the source of their misery. It isn't YOU or ME!

A source generates this stuff on the net and gets everyone else fighting with one another and making enemies. I AM NOT THAT SOURCE.

Otherwise, I do not dislike you either. In fact, you have very been very generous to me in permitting me to visit myself and interject my thoughts here. You are free to contact Catherine Ethier anytime and verify that I intervened and dissuaded her from making trouble for you. Ask her!

It's very frustrating for me that you think is about you, about ESMB, and she has too in the past. THE SOURCE goes 'round back unnoticed.

WHO blew up Catherine Ethier and dragged her onto the Internet into this madness?

WHO put the posts up here about her kid that pushed her over the edge after that?

WHO ? There is a beginning to this story that has been hidden. I tried to tell people. By then so much conflict had been stirred up I was moving against a tsunami.

How did SO many people get dragged into this? How did so many enemies get made?

I mean, these are the foundations this madness gets built upon and if you don't know how it all got started to begin with, how can you understand it?

I only came over here to reason this issue with the children AFTER I was told someone was going to the police, for your info. I came over here with the intention to make that go away for you. I have been watching your back!

I can only post my own emails.

From Me:

TO:
XXXXXXXX.com
Message flagged Wednesday, March 2, 2011 10:24 AM
Message body
Oh well, no, I do not know anything about Emma's personal life.

I would not involve myself with any police activities anyway. Once you stir that pot the black magic sticks to your fingers. You don't want the police to harrass XXXXX in some place far from home for his practice. He seems to have good karma in that regard, I would not tamper with it.

Why don't you take a win on the current reality? It's not bleak.

XXXXX



From: [email protected]> ME
Subject: Re: FYI
To: XXXXXXXXX.com
Date: Thursday, March 3, 2011, 1:34 AM

Well, time for me to let the dust settle. I think it is gross that anyone would drag the children into these disputes, and I think I have made people aware of it. That is the best I can do.

Emma says you reported her to child services? Is that true?

lv XXX


From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX [mailto:[email protected]] ME
Sent: March-07-11 4:27 AM
To: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.com
Subject: Re: this is very well said

XXXXXXX,

I have gotten Emma to agree to remove the slander against your son, publicly.

Please do nothing else for now. We have made some progress for your son.

XXXXXX



Emma, I am not the one stirring the pot.

I am not on the front lines pretending support for you and this forum after dragging this mess in here.

I am the one behind your back putting out the flames.

I am not saying I don't have issues. I'm not a poster child for anyone. I grew up on the streets and in the worst poverty imaginable in the lowest classed neighborhoods imaginable. It's not a secret anywhere I'm "street people". I don't like trigger happy policemen. I don't like judges. I spent plenty of time growing up in juvenile halls and shooting galleries. I was a heroin addict when I got into Scientology. But my buttons are pretty obvious. I don't like it when one person gets ganged up on and I don't like it when kids get hurt and that comes from my own upbringing. And the "Holy holy holy" crap makes me want to puke. I have issues, big fucking issues.

But I always have all of my cards on the table.

I have always cared about you Emma. I have always cared about the people on this forum that have treated me with kindness and even many that have been mean to me. Like the song goes, "I've lost a lot of fights but it taught me how to lose O.K.."

I agree that the last few times I have come here to post it has been a fight.

But it wasn't about me. I let a whole thread to fair game me here go by without one remark.

I don't want to see this forum go down either. And I do not want you to see any more misery. Neither anyone else here.

If you don't think my heart has been in the right place, you've got me all wrong. That is all I can say for myself.

Of course, anyone has the right to judge me.

I am sorry about the conflict that was generated between us for a moment on Marty's forum. That was a set up too.

Anyway, I'm not your enemy. And I am not enemies with the Ethiers either. O.K. I am missing a whole lot of chapters here because I don't know what happened on the Net with her and other people. I don't have that to think with. But I met her. And she was truly a very civilized and caring person in front of me, and she doesn't understand the mechanics of any of this mess beyond what happened to her via Pierre and what has been set up for her son. I mean, she was right in front of me for two days and explaining how hurt she was about the KR's sent to Canada to her workplace about her husband from nowhere that effected her job. Then the things on the net about her kid. I mean, if she was in front of you, you would understand. She is a good and decent person that got pulled into this madness without the same understanding or tools as everyone else. She was fucking sincere in her own overwhelm about all of this and how did she and her child become a target? This is not making her happy either and before KR's were sent to her manager in Canada about her husband she had nothing to do with Scientology. She, and her kid, got set up as a whipping boy to fuck with Pierre. And I am the only person who seems to know it. And it seems beyond me to impart that understanding on to other people. That is my lack of skill.

T.O.

 

[The Oracle]

Re: DCMA takedown threat received from the Ethiers

Yes, you would be so reminded.

O.K. sorry for the jab.

I was just bullbaiting you to pay better attention to your posts. I know if you try you can find something nice to say to someone. I thought it was nice that BB made a reach to you and felt bad to see you slap his hand for it.

Those are my issues not yours.

Be mean if you want. It's none of my business.

 

[Krautfag]

Re: DCMA takedown threat received from the Ethiers

ITT: Too much kindergarten.

How moving your personal vendettas somewhere to the FZ area, so us normal people can read about the legal stuff w/o having to wade through 10 pages of name-calling and mud-flinging?

 

[The Oracle]

Re: DCMA takedown threat received from the Ethiers

ITT: Too much kindergarten.

How moving your personal vendettas somewhere to the FZ area, so us normal people can read about the legal stuff w/o having to wade through 10 pages of name-calling and mud-flinging?

Cool. You take over for me because I'm tired and it's 5:00 a.m. here where I am.

You can speak here for me from now on. You speak for both of us. Whatever you say I'm behind it. Thanks.

T.O.

 

[Krautfag]

Re: DCMA takedown threat received from the Ethiers

Cool. You take over for me because I'm tired and it's 5:00 a.m. here where I am.

You can speak here for me from now on. You speak for both of us. Whatever you say I'm behind it. Thanks.

T.O.

Soooo....did I tell everyone already what I think about Elron Tulpa Hubbard and his brainchild of a mind-fuck moneyscam?

Well, enough of the shit...let's go back to discuss the stupid DMCA.