Threats are not nice.. We agree on that.. But the cult, and it's members, do need to be shown disapproval! They need to understand that we, WOG's and everybody, do not want their world domination project. They need to be told that we take offense at their arrogance. That we will not accept the abuses going on.
What about the cult's own threats? - I was threathened with being cheated. With bodily injury, ruination, theft of my property (actually happened!) and utter destruction (death?).. By a large group of religious zealots with a history of making good on their threats!
That's well documented, in the 'Penalties for lower conditions' Policy..
We can't 'love' the scilons out of the cult!
If I am being stupid.. Why, it's quite common that some of my freinds or family tell me so in no uncertain terms. "Cut the crap!" - or words to that effect.. (Doesn't happen all the time I hasten to say!)
My point here is, that it's quite unusual to be respected for stupidity!
Yet a group, a 'religion', demands this?
I'm very well aware that Scientology is a mind control cult! - This makes the situation a lot more complicated.. Which means that we actually do need some love mixed in..
But we have that! - Read ESMB and it becomes obvious. Those who got out, and starts posting here, are welcomed with open arms.
There's a regular 'prodical son' effect going on. And it's heartfelt..
Even Anonymous does this!
To quote Arnie Lerma: "We come back! - To get our freinds out!"
This is a what was said to me in February of this year; "Anon has been contacting the libraries in Australia and telling them not to put the Basic Books on the shelves"
This came from our local DSA (Office of Special Affairs in Class V Org).
Gosh, that’s a surprise
National Archives in the UK have
released files which show that the
founder of scientology, L Ron
Hubbard was exposed as a fraud by
British diplomats in the 1970s.
They discovered that he had
awarded himself a PhD from a
sham college that he and others had
founded. His degree, from Sequoia
University, was said to recognise
his outstanding work in the fields
of dianetics, his own version of
spiritual healing, and Scientology.
When I was at ASHO and there were protests, as you probably saw, there were white curtains over the windows. We were told not to look out as we should not grant beingness to the Anons. Also, we were told that every time Anons protested, more Scientologists were created because traffic to the Scientology website increased. And that the Anons were like having cooties. And that whenever "we" (as in Scientologists -- make that past tense for me) were expanding and being successful then the the SPs would scream. And that OSA really kicks ass.
"Brainwashing Manual"... now where do i get one of those?
I talked to a friend that attended one of those super sekrit Scilon only "briefings". As I stated in this post:
Scn believes that the answers to WHY anonymous is attacking the church can be found in the "Brainwashing Manual. You must understand that Scn is compelled to know WHO IS ATTACKING AND WHY.Now this may seem incredibly insane, far out, and wacky and I assure you it is, because this is straight Scn thinking. No one but Scn can make up shit like this. Scn kookiness has it's own particular flair. Paranoid and Skitzo. Basically the Scilons are being told the "Enemies, Psychs and SPs" have been implementing these evil plans laid out in the Russian "Brain-Washing Manual" by Lavrentiy Beria. Beria was 2nd in command to Stalin and a really evil dude into kiddie porn and torture. Lavrentiy Beria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Of course after the briefing there was the usual fundraising event to fight the evil SP's that were trying to destroy "Mankind's only hope" Remember you are dealing with a very insane cult. Scilons truly believe this nonsense. This briefing was not about WHAT TO DO about Anonymous, but instead to instill more of the crazy Scn indoctrination (brainwash) by explaining "THE WHY" and "THE WHO" behind the attacks.THE WHO behind anonymous and the attacks on Scn is the Evil Commie Psychs.THE WHY is because the psychs have the youth all drugged up on psych drugs and looking at porn and then brainwash them to attack "the most ethical group on the planet".
I find the sign: "You Pulled Us In" carried by some anons, hilarious. How can the staff really argue with that?
I am not trying to impinge on any scilons at this point. I am just educating the public so they know what scientology really is about. That's so I won't have to be standing out in front of the org 10 years down the road.
The reason the staff can't argue it is because thinking on your own will cause you to lose case gain, you have to accept the mindfuck exactly as the cult tells you to, or the bullshit tech does not work. Once they finally wake up and realize the bullshit tech never worked to begin with, they are no longer there to read the signs, they are the ones holding them.
in the beginnings of the anon protests, things were not so pretty. Staff hate anonymous, and not because of anything OSA made up.
Word came through to staff that there were plans of various forms of vandalism, theft and other totally illiegal and destructive actions against us. (I was part of it when this all started.)
This wasn't made up by osa, and frankly, nothing else could have been made up that was as effective as the chanology threats.
Anyone who's been on treasury lines knows that very few orgs could pay to replace broken windows, paint over graffiti, etc. So volunteers wasted hundreds of hours making sure that the more unwieldy anons didn't do anything stupid with the buildings.
Tory Christman and Mark Bunker also disapproved of these threats because it made old guard look bad.
No matter who was right - from either viewpoint - anon or cofs, violence is no solution.
And knowing that background, the staff become more firmly tied to their orgs with each protest, as the threats are not forgotten and created an urgency to protect their property.
As I said earlier, Anon protests are effective at educating public, but you'll rarely get anything but a cold stare from the staff who know about your violent beginnings...
Your message of hate was changed to love, but it changed too late.
This thread is about anonymous, so I just answered that part of the story.
I agree with you 99% - Except Re getting people out.
There are only two effective ways to get someone out of the cult:
1. Treat them so bad they want to go (only works if done by their own) and;
2. By being their friend when sh%t doesn't add up (love) I don't know of any other way that has worked.
Whoa whoa whoa. Wait a second. I had to come out of lurk mode to comment on this.
"Word came through to staff that there were plans of various forms of vandalism, theft and other totally illiegal and destructive actions against us. (I was part of it when this all started.)
This wasn't made up by osa..."
I will certainly agree that Anonymous started out wanting to create mischief ON THE INTERNET, but I am not aware of any destructive actions planned against buildings or property, and certainly not theft. I may be wrong, I dunno. Can you name some that actually took place? I guess you could say the vaseline/pubic hair guy, but anything other than that?
"So volunteers wasted hundreds of hours making sure that the more unwieldy anons didn't do anything stupid with the buildings."
I read this three times and still don't get it. What did the volunteers do exactly? It doesn't sound like the were painting over actual graffiti or fixing broken windows. Not sure.
In case you're interested, there's a really good article in Wired Magazine that explains Anonymous pretty well. It's definitely not a valentine, but I think it's accurate in explaining the types of things they are interested in, and not interested in.
By the way, I'm not Anonymous, but I have hung out with them a lot in the last 20 months.
without reading the rest of the thread there certainly is a third way to get someone out of the cult. And that is directing them to, and having them read and discover about the inhumane actions carried out over decades by Scientologists certainly of the upper management level.
It became extremely clear to me that if Scientology management which contained many "OT"s could treat fellow human beings with such disrespect and oppression then either there were no OT's or the state of OT was itself degraded. Either way, I was extremely outraged to find this out, and was outta there within hours.