does as-ising actually work?

[JustSheila]

So, a persons life starts out in a senile /Alzheimer's phase as he/ she ages, moves into sentience and than reverts back to senility / Alzheimer's? Makes sense to me! Mimsey

Not at all. Nothing like that, actually. The stages of brain development aren't particularly about forgetting or remembering, but about stages of higher cognitive abilities as you enter different ages growing up and learn different ways to think and different, higher concepts.

Any past life thingy isn't actually brain memory. I wont argue whether it's possible as a spiritual sort of memory, because that's belief, but it's not in the brain. Has nothing to do with the brain's rational/analytical or even subconscious memory at all. It's something else, if it exists.

Anyway, the brain has its own steps of development. I hope you find this as fascinating as I first did when I first read it:

Piaget's Model of Cognitive Development:

The first stage of development, beginning at birth and continuing until about age 2, is the sensorimotor stage. In this stage, children’s contact with the world around them depends entirely on the movements that they make and the sensations that they experience. Whenever they encounter a new object, they shake it, throw it, or put it in their mouth, so that they gradually come to understand its characteristics through trial and error. Around the middle of this stage (about age 1), children first understand the concept of object permanence—that an object continues to exist even when it moves beyond their field of vision. The second stage is the preoperational stage. It begins around age 2 and ends around age 6 or 7. During this stage, which is marked by the acquisition of language, among other things, children become able to think in symbolic terms, to form ideas from words and symbols. Children also begin to understand spatial and numerical concepts and the distinction between past and future. But they remain highly focused on the present and on concrete physical situations and have difficulty in dealing with abstract concepts. Children’s thinking is also very egocentric at this stage; a child this age often assumes that other people see situations from his or her viewpoint. Third comes the concrete operations stage, from age 6 or 7 to age 11 or 12. Having absorbed more and more experience of the world, children now become able to imagine events that occur outside their own lives. They also begin to conceptualize and to create sequences of logical reasoning, though this reasoning still depends on a direct relationship to concrete things. Children also acquire a certain capacity for abstraction. Hence they can begin to study disciplines such as mathematics, in which they can solve problems with numbers and reverse previously performed operations, but only ones that involve observable phenomena. At this stage, it is still only the exceptional child who can solve problems with multiple variables by breaking them down systematically. Lastly, what Piaget called the formal operations stage begins at age 11 or 12. The new capabilities developed in this stage, such as the abilities to reason hypothetically and deductively and to establish abstract relationships, are generally mastered around age 15. By the end of this stage, adolescents, like adults, can use formal, abstract logic. They can also begin to think about probabilities and about moral issues such as justice. http://thebrain.mcgill.ca/flash/i/i_09/i_09_p/i_09_p_dev/i_09_p_dev.html

 

[JustSheila]

Dear Just Sheila didn't your post say how kids had no memory? Isn't that a sign of Alzheimer's in adults? So, it struck me as funny, how we progress from having no memory to having memory, and when we get old, to not having it. Mimsey

It's different, though.

If you read Piaget's summary, children don't conceptualize past and future. Everything is in the present: now-now-now until they get to a certain age, then the concept of time becomes more refined.

In the past ten years, neuroscience has really nailed down the brain's abilities and verified that until a certain age, children are incapable of forming permanent memories. It's now fact.

Past life memories, maybe it's along the same sort of sensory thing as knowing your daughter is about to call you. That's not a brain thing, it's something else.

Altzheimer's doesn't affect everyone and only affects memory, not the ability to think with higher cognitive abilities like maths, symbolism, higher judgement, etc.

 

[JustSheila]

This ^^^^^^^^^ is garbage.

You wish! It's the truth.

Hubbard's assumptions were never scientific, no matter how hard you want to believe!

 

[Dulloldfart]

I know of 4-5 periods in my life when I was unconscious and could never, ever contact those times in session or out. They didn't even read. But those times were documented and witnessed, I was definitely unconscious.

Actually, it was a big disappointment to me to find they just didn't have 'charge' so weren't locatable. Never did remember. It never mattered, either. Why should it?

It might -- might -- be that it's the other way around, namely that they weren't locatable and so didn't have charge available. I base that on some research I did in 2006, written up at the time at http://fzglobal.org/r3xtrio.htm. It was written up when I thought more of Hubbard than I do now.

In short, I was auditing the R2-60 items, "spot some hidden mysteries" etc. Apparently boring as shit, with nothing there. I mean, would you (the general reader) have any interest in running some auditing procedure on that topic? Now, I was doing some variations of the 6-direction process, but if you simply take a quick look at the topic, really, who gives a fuck?

However, a short excerpt from the linked page . . . .

As of April 12, I have run about 18 hours solo on these R2-60 items. I am up to "Inhibited Thinking", which ran for about 25 minutes a couple of hours ago as of this writing. Still going strong. About 90-95% of these items are charged. The secret is in thoroughly grooving them in, to make them real to the pc. I spend about five minutes seeing how the item would apply to me. As an example, the last one, inhibited thinking. I'll discuss this one simply because it is fresh in my memory, otherwise it isn't special at all.

Inhibited thinking? Mustn't think about critical thoughts in the CofS; mustn't think about sex with underage girls; mustn't think critical remarks about friends as it indicates overts; mustn't think of restimulative things as it, er, restimulates one; others flows on this; inhibiting the relay of information from remote viewpoints one has put out; inhibiting info flow to remote viewpoints others have put out; all the above as it relates to other real or imaginary terminals (includes entities and such possibly mythical individuals); and so on.​

In other words, dig into and churn up the topic. A surface look brings up nothing, but when you dig in you find there is actually quite a lot of charge that can be bled off.

Now, is there any value in doing this? Hard to say! Maybe by discharging it you remove the possibility of it ever getting triggered by some random event in the future; maybe it's all pretty inconsequential and even if something does get triggered it will be very minor.

-----

As for whether times when one was unconscious are contactable it's impossible to say. The fact that some individual in a test was unable to do so does not mean that generally it cannot be done. Similarly, if one person did it once it doesn't mean that anyone could do it. How possible is it generally? I have no idea, and I would guess that no-one else really knows either. Certainly not Hubbard!

Paul

 

[RogerB]

Good post, Paul.

Yes, a Being can occlude its awareness . . . and certain areas of our past existence have been "switched off" as too horrible to experience. And, as such, don't read on a meter when first contacted . . . though, similar to your item of "inhibited," "occluded" will read and then under it one can begin to find the what that got occluded.

But, heh, for folks who do not want to know . . . ain't nothing going to get through.

R

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Good post, Paul.

Yes, a Being can occlude its awareness . . . and certain areas of our past existence have been "switched off" as too horrible to experience. And, as such, don't read on a meter when first contacted . . . though, similar to your item of "inhibited," "occluded" will read and then under it one can begin to find the what that got occluded.

But, heh, for folks who do not want to know . . . ain't nothing going to get through.

R

You must be very unhappy with your current life Roger to have spent so much time trying to dig up your "occluded past experiences" which (you believe) have made you the way you are today.

I'd suggest that you just concentrate on sorting yourself out and give up on the guru gig.

 

[George Layton]

This ^^^^^^^^^ is garbage.

She blinded me with Garbage.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

She blinded me with Garbage.

She dazzled him with detritus.

 

[Gizmo]

This ^^^^^^^^^ is garbage.

Leon minus 2, please look in the mirror.

 

[JustSheila]

It might -- might -- be that it's the other way around, namely that they weren't locatable and so didn't have charge available. I base that on some research I did in 2006, written up at the time at http://fzglobal.org/r3xtrio.htm. It was up when I thought more of Hubbard than I do now.

That may be a better way of saying it, though I need to take a bit of time later to look at what you wrote. I was very interested in recovering those memories after reading Dianetics though, but under the very best auditors (and I really mean the best - not staff auditors, but AOLA's Class VIIIs and later, two of RTC's), I just couldn't remember. I was interested, but it didn't bother me either and apparently the incidents had no long term effect. F/N, F/N, F/N. I felt fine about all the unconscious incidents. No worries at all.

The first incident was a bad dog bite and going to the hospital, massive bleeding, apparently I could have died and was unconscious for days or longer. I was about 4-5 years old and in the hospital for weeks. I can vaguely remember a few moments before the bite, but not the hospital, not recovering, not anything at all until my next birthday, but I have a couple of memories earlier than the dog bite. Not only that, but I had less fear of dogs after that than the few moments before the bite. That always puzzled my dad, because I loved dogs and understood them just fine and felt confident on how to approach them and which dogs to approach and which ones not. No subconscious fears or reactions affecting me at all, and that should have been a classic engram, right? I joked that I had dog DNA in my blood after that.

The other incidents were hospital or adult incidents, also unconscious. I was very interested, but it just didn't happen. No memories of unconsciousness. Nothing there at all, no reads, nothing. One had RTC keenly interested and I didn't even know enough to fear RTC yet, that was in the 'PDH' heyday, when everyone was suspected of being PDH'ed, remember that? I thought it would be cool if I had a PDH incident. So exciting! (I was very green, lol!) I brought up another unconscious incident. Nope. Nothing read, even though I told all about the unconscious incident that happened a few years earlier. Guess without the reads it bored the pickles out of RTC. Big clean F/Ns. Never heard from them again about it, never worried about it again, either. Bummer. I could have been out years earlier, right? What a fascinating, exotic way it would have been to leave the SO, too!

In short, I was auditing the R2-60 items, "spot some hidden mysteries" etc. Apparently boring as shit, with nothing there. I mean, would you (the general reader) have any interest in running some auditing procedure on that topic? Now, I was doing some variations of the 6-direction process, but if you simply take a quick look at the topic, really, who gives a fuck?

However, a short excerpt from the linked page . . . .

As of April 12, I have run about 18 hours solo on these R2-60 items. I am up to "Inhibited Thinking", which ran for about 25 minutes a couple of hours ago as of this writing. Still going strong. About 90-95% of these items are charged. The secret is in thoroughly grooving them in, to make them real to the pc. I spend about five minutes seeing how the item would apply to me. As an example, the last one, inhibited thinking. I'll discuss this one simply because it is fresh in my memory, otherwise it isn't special at all.

Inhibited thinking? Mustn't think about critical thoughts in the CofS; mustn't think about sex with underage girls; mustn't think critical remarks about friends as it indicates overts; mustn't think of restimulative things as it, er, restimulates one; others flows on this; inhibiting the relay of information from remote viewpoints one has put out; inhibiting info flow to remote viewpoints others have put out; all the above as it relates to other real or imaginary terminals (includes entities and such possibly mythical individuals); and so on.​

In other words, dig into and churn up the topic. A surface look brings up nothing, but when you dig in you find there is actually quite a lot of charge that can be bled off.

Now, is there any value in doing this? Hard to say! Maybe by discharging it you remove the possibility of it ever getting triggered by some random event in the future; maybe it's all pretty inconsequential and even if something does get triggered it will be very minor.

-----

As for whether times when one was unconscious are contactable it's impossible to say. The fact that some individual in a test was unable to do so does not mean that generally it cannot be done. Similarly, if one person did it once it doesn't mean that anyone could do it. How possible is it generally? I have no idea, and I would guess that no-one else really knows either. Certainly not Hubbard!

Paul

I like the 'inhibited' button. In fact, the CDEINR buttons (Curious About, Desired? Enforced? Inhibited? No? Refused? for the non-scns here) came to mind after the SO, because, as you say, there was so much that could not be honestly stated in COS. How awful for sessions. But in this case, it didn't apply. Those unconscious memories weren't contactable or actual memories weren't even made, or something. Personally, I don't believe I made any memories while unconscious those times. That didn't stop my clear attest, though, which was re-verified many times. (Not that I believe in Clear these days).

 

[The_Fixer]

She blinded me with Garbage.

Erm, I've always been blinded by Garbage.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy1LdAaGASw

 

[Gizmo]

That may be a better way of saying it, <snip>

All these years later & after looking at so much more in other things, I'd say this :
there may be a better way of saying it : scientology "auditing" largely {{ if not completely ! }} depends on the belief in it by the person involved in it - period.
I tend to suspect that at least 85% of any system working IS the belief of the person in whatever is being done.

Voodoo ? People fall over & die, right ? or fall in love, right ? Or are cued of some malady, right ?

Prayer ? Some people have miracle cures of cancer, right ? Some people get a job, right ? Or a home? Right !

Meditation ? Some people feel cured of illnesses or achieve calmness or whatever right ?

Faith Healing ? Some claim to walk again after laying of the hands by a faith healer - or be cured of cancer, right ?

And so on down the list of nutrition or medical or whatever one uses to heal themselves. All works - for some people.

All that & more " happens ". People with cancer come back to the doctor with NO signs of cancer anymore & their whatever they believed in , uh, cured it - right ?

Now scientology ? Yeah, same deal, some people got " cured " of this that or the other, but, like all the other ways IT WAS NOT REPEATABLE with any prediction of this will fix that each & every time, period.

Now R3R, NED or whatever erase NOTHING. Run a broken arm, over & over & " erase " it. Oh, can you still remember you broke your arm ? Yep. WTF got erased ? Nothing !

I guess it is OK to " believe " scientology / dianetics / bts & clusters & whatever else one wants to cover will be
" erased ", but that " erasure "- in the real world outside the delusion of the cult - just is not true.

Some will come argue in favor of the tech that oh scientology on " keys out " things & they can be pulled " back in " - OK, where in the " tek " is the way to achieve stability & not get right back to where one started in the first place ? Hello ? A glass of wine will do that 'key out' too...

While I'm on that, The good Doctor Hubbard said the " thetan " leaving the body on death weighted 1/2 an ounce ( nevermind he flat STOLE that from other real doctors work ).

So answer me this ; As a thetan leaves the body and 1/2 ounce weight change PROVES there is a thetan ( according to the good Dr. Hubbard ) on the OT levels when people are blowing off THOUSANDS of BTs & CLUSTERS how come they are not losing MASSIVE amounts of weight ?

3 or 4 thousand BTs & clusters ( these ARE thetans, remember ) blow & there is no visible weight loss ? audit 5 years, 10 years, 15 years or longer on OT 7 & no visible weight loss !

How can that be?

The other thing is on R3R or NED one did not run pleasure moments " because they would not erase ". Stop & think, please ! If this will " run out " how come that will not " run out " ?

Ho ! Ho ! Ho ! ' splain that please ?

And, again, who really ever recalled a damn thing from a time when they were truly unconscious ? Not imagined made up BS, but, honest-to-God remember what happened while they were unconscious.
According to dianetics, that always happens in auditing, but, really, does it ?

So, bottom line, anything somebody believe in will work. Once again, anything you believe in will work for you, period.

Oh , You always had the power? Yes.

Oh , You never needed a guru ? Yes.

Oh , your spiritual path is your spiritual path ( if you choose to pursue it ) & there is no " one path " for everyone ? Yes !

But, are some people going to follow Dr Hubbard & walk his path instead of their own ? Oh hell yes - and they are entitled to do that !

 

[Dulloldfart]

<snip> I like the 'inhibited' button. <snip>

Interesting you should say that, and in line with my comments about often needing to "groove stuff in" for it to register . . . in 23 years of getting auditing in the cult I could count on one hand the number of times anything read on me on all those silly buttons: suppressed, invalidated, etc. That's not to say that there wasn't anything there: if some auditor had asked, well, what would it mean to have invalidated something on this particular topic? And we had dug into it, I'm sure oodles of stuff could have been found.

But no, Hubbard had proclaimed that the auditor just had to ask the [button] question on the magic ouija meter and if anything had been [button]ed it would read SHAZAM!

Idiot.

Paul

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

It's different, though.

If you read Piaget's summary, children don't conceptualize past and future. Everything is in the present: now-now-now until they get to a certain age, then the concept of time becomes more refined.

In the past ten years, neuroscience has really nailed down the brain's abilities and verified that until a certain age, children are incapable of forming permanent memories. It's now fact.

Past life memories, maybe it's along the same sort of sensory thing as knowing your daughter is about to call you. That's not a brain thing, it's something else.

Altzheimer's doesn't affect everyone and only affects memory, not the ability to think with higher cognitive abilities like maths, symbolism, higher judgement, etc.

You realize I was making a dumb joke about the Alzheimer's?

However, there's a couple things I'd like to bring up, as long as we're getting all serious and playing the memory and development cards.

There's verrrry interesting article in the Wired Magazine #24.04 (april 2016) called "In a perpetual present"

"the strange case of a woman who couldn't remember her past - and can't imagine her future"

This woman has no recall of her past, she has no brain damage - she lives in the present, is married, has a job, etc. For example, she went on a cruise, she knows she did, but can not recall a single thing about it. She can't remember any other trip, of for that matter, she cannot remember a single moment of her marriage. She has no episodic memory. It's quite an interesting article.

http://www.wired.com/2016/04/susie-mckinnon-autobiographical-memory-sdam/

Then there's the article on brain development in the 2011 October issue of National Geographic - Beautiful Teenage Brains - it is an amazing article with scans of the brain etc, showing how their brains morph from the child, into the teenager - who is about to leave the nest and take on the world.

Moody. Impulsive. Maddening. Why do teenagers act the way they do? Viewed through the eyes of evolution, their most exasperating traits may be the key to success as adults.

http://archive.nationalgeographic.com/?iid=58540#folio=36

 

[Churchill]

You realize I was making a dumb joke about the Alzheimer's?

However, there's a couple things I'd like to bring up, as long as we're getting all serious and playing the memory and development cards.

There's verrrry interesting article in the Wired Magazine #24.04 (april 2016) called "In a perpetual present"

"the strange case of a woman who couldn't remember her past - and can't imagine her future"

This woman has no recall of her past, she has no brain damage - she lives in the present, is married, has a job, etc. For example, she went on a cruise, she knows she did, but can not recall a single thing about it. She can't remember any other trip, of for that matter, she cannot remember a single moment of her marriage. She has no episodic memory. It's quite an interesting article.

http://www.wired.com/2016/04/susie-mckinnon-autobiographical-memory-sdam/

Then there's the article on brain development in the 2011 October issue of National Geographic - Beautiful Teenage Brains - it is an amazing article with scans of the brain etc, showing how their brains morph from the child, into the teenager - who is about to leave the nest and take on the world.



http://archive.nationalgeographic.com/?iid=58540#folio=36

The Nat Geo link is only available to subscribers.

 

[OutToe83]

When I first saw this thread earlier, I had my hopes up that some intelligent discussion might be underway. Imagine my disappointment to find that it was just a still-lost soul wandering in the wilderness, trying to find his way out using LRH's roadmap with imaginary signposts.

I don't mean to disparage the very intelligent contributions to the thread, but...honestly, people, trying to portray reality in the context of Rabid Ron's fantasies is like...I dunno, maybe like trying to explain natural phenomena like wind and rain to someone who will only hear it in the context of the will and/or voice of the appropriate gods. Those who still give any credence to Ron's wrongings (as opposed to writings) after ample opportunity to figure out what a complete charlatan Ron was, are not going to hear any explanation except through El Ron's filter.

Seriously, Mimsy (and you too, Terril, I know you're going to read this), and the rest of you True Believers: Do you STILL believe that there was ANY substance to LRH's Dianetics & Scientology literature? Do you REALLY believe that His Holy Hubbardness actually DID any research? Do you REALLY STILL believe LRH had any foundation in actual science or scientific method?
Do you ACTUALLY think there were 275 Clears, cleared before Book 1 was published, that never got sick and had perfect recall on their Whole Track? SERIOUSLY!?

I mean, HONESTLY, WTF!!?? What does it TAKE for you to let go of the blatant fantasy of LRH actually researching and mapping the human mind and spirit and discovering the History of Man, and all the rest!? Good GRIEF, people, his freakin' lies and scams have been documented from here to the moon--no, I mean, from here to Venus! Or do you believe freight trains run on Venus too?

Those aren't rhetorical questions. I actually want to know if you credit Ron's writings with ANY plausibility, so I can know whether it's even worth my time to TRY to talk to you. I've long since given up on trying to talk to people who are trapped in dogma so thoroughly that reality doesn't intrude--can't get past their filters. I grew up with that syndrome, although I don't pretend to understand it. In the time and place I grew up, it wasn't unusual to meet respectable people (not homeless crazies) who still believed the Earth (and Universe) is ~6,000 years old. Different dogma, same syndrome. Can't get past the filter. ( I still suspect some of them believed the Earth is flat.)

I actually had something I wanted to say in relation to the OP--not an answer, per se, because it's a nonsense question, but it brought up a different point I think is worthwhile taking about. After reading this thread and all the Scientologese bandied about, I decided that anything I bring up is going to be cached in context of As-Ising and totally lost. This thread, imho, has muddied up the water, stirred up the mud, and fogged the air on reality so thoroughly that reality can be hard to see now.
So I'm going to bide my time and see if I can find an opportunity to bring it up in a different thread that can at least start out unpolluted.

 

[ThetanExterior]

This thread has caused me to think of something I hadn't really considered before.

Many years ago, before I got into scientology, I had a car crash. I hit a brick wall while I was doing about 80 mph and I wasn't wearing a seat belt.

I knocked the entire windscreen out with my face and squashed the steering wheel flat with my body. I had a broken nose, bruised ribs and was unconscious for a few seconds so this should have been quite an engram.

But it just occurred to me that during all of my auditing on book 1 Dianetics and up to OT V this incident never came up.

Skip forward many years to after I'd left scientology and I suddenly started to have panic attacks while driving. My first thought was that maybe this had something to do with that car accident but there was nothing I could see that would link the start of the panic attacks with that long-ago car crash. There seemed to be no similarity whatsoever.

Then one day I found on the internet a simple technique that could help resolve panic attacks. I sat at home one day and tried it. It only took a few seconds and amazingly I realised it was the car crash that was being restimulated and now I could see the similarities between the incidents.

That was it - problem solved. I haven't had a panic attack since then.

The moral of this story is that Hubbard didn't have the monopoly on self-help techniques and there is a wealth of information out there for anyone who cares to look.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

I on the other hand did run (in auditing) an especially traumatic loss incident ... "handled" the grief in session and found it was all still there waiting for me when I finally got out of the cult decades later.



:confused2:

 

[JustSheila]

For those of you I've blinded with Piaget, sorry. He was a famous Psychologist and his outline of cognitive development is still upheld today. He did great work and there's a lot more to it.

This thread has caused me to think of something I hadn't really considered before.

Many years ago, before I got into scientology, I had a car crash. I hit a brick wall while I was doing about 80 mph and I wasn't wearing a seat belt.

I knocked the entire windscreen out with my face and squashed the steering wheel flat with my body. I had a broken nose, bruised ribs and was unconscious for a few seconds so this should have been quite an engram.

But it just occurred to me that during all of my auditing on book 1 Dianetics and up to OT V this incident never came up.

Skip forward many years to after I'd left scientology and I suddenly started to have panic attacks while driving. My first thought was that maybe this had something to do with that car accident but there was nothing I could see that would link the start of the panic attacks with that long-ago car crash. There seemed to be no similarity whatsoever.

Then one day I found on the internet a simple technique that could help resolve panic attacks. I sat at home one day and tried it. It only took a few seconds and amazingly I realised it was the car crash that was being restimulated and now I could see the similarities between the incidents.

That was it - problem solved. I haven't had a panic attack since then.

The moral of this story is that Hubbard didn't have the monopoly on self-help techniques and there is a wealth of information out there for anyone who cares to look.

IMO, the entire emphasis on memory to resolve everything is a distorted, simplistic view of the mind and a couple of hundred years behind science.

Memory is just one of many cognitive abilities. Why in the world believe that spirits go around carrying around big heavy memory chains? Makes me think of Scrooge's ghost, his old business partner...

If we eat something bad and get sick, then later when we smell something similar there may be a physical reaction to the smell. Sure. But is that analytical, cognitive memory? No way. Body memory according to a certain perception. Far more effective to address it by the reaction (like you did with the panic attack) than through rational memory. L Ron contradicted himself over and over on this stuff. On the one hand, he said this was 'Genetic Entity' memory and not worth addressing, but then he goes ahead and throughout nearly all of Dn and Scn, has scientologists addressing physical perceptions through cognitive memory. IMO, the idea that it was all available in cognitive memory was a dumb idea in the first place, that it could all resolve there even dumber. Then addressing it as a 'thetan' or spirit... what a jumbled up mess!

Same with the past lives thing. Seriously - memories? Not just certain perceptions triggering ideas and a person recreating those ideas on their own?

You realize I was making a dumb joke about the Alzheimer's?

However, there's a couple things I'd like to bring up, as long as we're getting all serious and playing the memory and development cards.

There's verrrry interesting article in the Wired Magazine #24.04 (april 2016) called "In a perpetual present"

"the strange case of a woman who couldn't remember her past - and can't imagine her future"

Thanks, Mimsey! I wasn't sure if you were joking or not, I've heard scns say that sort of thing and be so, so serious about it! Believing that it was 'proof' of implants or something. Thanks for the articles.

 

[JustSheila]

Mimsey, about the lady with no episodic memory - fascinating, btw -

Why assume that supposed past life memories are a) autobiographical or b) episodic?

Why assume that there are autobiographical episodic records/memories of periods of unconsciousness?

Why assume these are episodic memories at all?

When I was in scn, there were the actual episodic memories I ran in true life, then the 'others' of supposed past lives that were different, kind of surreal, and I don't believe any of them were actual autobiographical episodic memories. I see them as imaginary recreations, not actual accounts. As mentioned, I never had episodic memories of the actual moments of unconsciousness in my life, ever, but my memory is wonderful for conscious events.