does as-ising actually work?

[JustSheila]

On Rupert Sheldrake's quality as a scientist . . . he is far more qualified, credible and honest than those who blindly follow the dogma line and criticize him based on nothing more than that his, a) actual discoveries of real facts of nature and, b) his hypotheses, are in conflict with held dogma that has never been proved. Both of these published points by Sheldrake are outside the box of their limited beliefs.

He actually has a brilliant record of proven discoveries . . . better than any of the theoreticians who run round spouting conventional wisdom, dogma and their competing-with-each-other theories.

Heh heh. I knew I'd grab your interest if I mentioned Rupert Sheldrake. You're right, he has an outstanding reputation as a biologist and in this field, is both an expert and innovative. Even most of his critics acknowledge this. He's fascinating! I'm not aware of anyone disputing him for actual facts of nature, but mostly for carrying over an idea that the type of memories we refer to in the human brain when we say we remember an individual event is the same as the type of memory in grouped biological organisms, like plants, insects and some animals, and his idea that these 'group memories' are inherited in a collective memory and carry on for generations. It is an explanation in conflict with known scientific facts. Neuroscience isn't his field, so this was a bit of a stretch and it didn't work well with other known research. Sheldrake was out of his zone on that one, but great with biology.

Personally, I think these are two entirely different distinct types of memory, and the second is not precisely memory, either. In neuroscience, individual brain cells have demonstrated simple recognitions and preferences. A group of brain cells may be coordinated with other bodily activities to respond in a certain way under certain conditions (i.e., a threatening event) and to bring forth information and responses related to similar conditions. A beehive might do the same thing. By itself, that's simple instinct, but when a group of animals can add additional steps to that combined physical, mental and neurological response, such as 'if bees drop dead in large numbers and don't return to hive, withdraw and wait four weeks for blossoms to fully bloom,' is that memory as we know it? Is that thinking?

I don't think so. The instinctual action can be written out as as an 'if, then' algebraic type of formula. No individual thought required, no collective thought required, either. Animals and plants evolve. Perhaps part of that evolution process is the ability to add more steps to the instinctual formulas and make these increasingly more complicated as the species develops. Also, recent research has found that evolutionary changes occur far more quickly than previously known, in fact, it can happen in just a few years. Ref: http://phys.org/news/2009-06-evolution-years.html

Why didn't Sheldrake work with this amazing information of how fast evolution actually occurs, which is in his own field, but instead jumped to the extreme, sensational hypothesis that memory is inherited in a species?

 

[JustSheila]

This is the funniest one from you yet, Stratty. Oh my goodness

fact is Mother Theresa was a bitch from hell. Read and hear the reports of nuns who left her order. <snip>

Yes, I know Leon, I got a kicking from ITYIWT the other day for using her as an example of a morally spotless person despite the fact that I knew full-well she wasn't one.

Christopher Hitchens wrote a book about her. The Missionary Position. Mother Teresa in Theory and Practice.

Try to keep up, Leon.

 

[Gizmo]

Try to keep up, Leon.

Perhaps for that one to follow along the gradient needs to be cut waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back for him.

Gulping that cult KoolAid tends to deeply dull all the senses.

 

[Ogsonofgroo]

"As-ising"

Gah!


How about asking if just 'being' works. Good lordy some of Hubbard's manglation of the Engrish language, mixed with his ego-centric understanding (lololol) of Eastern mysticism is utterly painful.

In cult, I think, self realization, or even getting the potential for such, dies a thousand deaths of stupid. Thank you ElRon de-Con.

My opinion, though I do fluctuate between vile loathing and absurd laughtering @ Hubbard anything, I remain stalwart in my observations, having trusted them for most of my pathetic life. *sigh*

 

[I told you I was trouble]

I believe that when you turn something into a group endeavour (cult) you can sling almost anything into the mix and it will "work" to some degree and continue to "work" right up until the invisible (but binding) chains are cut and old friendships cease to have the power to direct, guide and restrain.

In other words what "works" is the love-bombing (initially) and a form of constant, emotional blackmail thereafter.

I heard a story a little while ago that stunned me momentarily until I remembered how it feels to be a willing (or unwilling) member of a cult and what has to be done to retain some form or normality by constantly playing the game, never for a moment allowing doubt to creep in ... apparently someone I used to know is still solo auditing at the 'top of the bridge" in the cofs (and has been for many years) and is still being dragged across the world, at great expense, twice a year for the oatee check up. I say "dragged" because I can't really believe anyone but a true believer would be willing to do it for as many years as this person has and yet the story I heard makes me feel he isn't a true believer at all.

Apparently this "on purpose/gung-ho" scientologist was approached recently by a friend who had been working with him closely for many years and who knows of the cult connection even though it is not public knowledge and never spoken about willingly (been there, done that) ... a "reach" for scientology was made (stay with me, I know it's unbelievable in this day and age but it happened) and it was the response to it that made me want to cry and laugh at the same time.

The person reaching for scientology was told gently but firmly to go and find out about it by all means but he (the scio) was not going to be involved in any way.

It may not sound like a big deal but to me it said so much about the invisible chains that hold people firmly in their grip.

Anyway, the person did go into an org and bought a book ... and is currently being so badly harassed by phone, email and SMS that she is completely stressed and will never go near the cofs again.

My point was not concerning the person reaching for scientology though, it was about the scientologist who (for whatever reason) wanted no part in 'disseminating" to a friend even though it would have taken no effort at all.

I can't help feeling that if left alone he would have been free long ago ... the constant emotional blackmail (from members of the cult) and those invisible chains work very well ... tek is not what scientology is really about ... it's about entrapment.

 

[lotus]

I on the other hand did run (in auditing) an especially traumatic loss incident ... "handled" the grief in session and found it was all still there waiting for me when I finally got out of the cult decades later.



:confused2:

This is an interesting point!
Happened to me too, and certainly to many if not most of scientologists...

I got my own explanation about that : Integration

$cientology ''pretend'' to ''erase'' incidents and their traumatic (or whatever painful) content. Thus, the suffering, about that said incident, is supposely gone or '' flattened'

Well,

It is now a scientific proven fact (extensively studied) that traumatic incident, are either kept in a specific part of the brain (memory) when the content is too much painful and for integration to happens, must be later, taken out of this part and processed, alowing just the right amount of suffering at the time, for the brain and emotional body to realize such integration .

The keyword is integration
(PTSD CB therapies are so successful because of this process they help the brain\emotions to accomplish. It is done with a gradient steps recall and desensitization. (contacting the emotional content as it can be integrated)

Unfortunately, $cientology only surf on those incidents, and mostly direct the mind to go through the Guru psychotic mind fantasy pseudo-incidents.
There is no integration at all (of the persons's own incidents)...only a belief it has been processed...

Till the beast comes back...

Can you just imagined traumatised war soldiers to be ''handled and fixed'' with $cientology.... They would be presented more pseudo-incidents with Bombs H and volcanoes and associates...

In the absence of a true (professional) therapy, a friend would do real better, as a friend will listen and won't add more pseudo-trauma...:confused2:

I am astonished at how some people who surf this board still believe in the auditing and the pseudo-erasing content of pseudo-incidents, even when given all the truth about where this sci-fi opera fantasy came from....and the insane mind who fantasized them...

 

[I told you I was trouble]

This is an interesting point!
Happened to me too, and certainly to many if not most of scientologists...

I got my own explanation about that : Integration

$cientology ''pretend'' to ''erase'' incidents and their traumatic (or whatever painful) content. Thus, the suffering, about that said incident, is supposely gone or '' flattened'

Well,

It is now a scientific proven fact (extensively studied) that traumatic incident, are either kept in a specific part of the brain (memory) when the content is too much painful and for integration to happens, must be later, taken out of this part and processed, alowing just the right amount of suffering at the time, for the brain and emotional body to realize such integration .

The keyword is integration
(PTSD theray are so successful because of this process they help the brain\emotions to accomplish. It is done with a gradient steps recall and desensitization.

Unfortunately, $cientology only surf on those incidents, and mostly direct the mind to go through the Guru psychotic mind fantasy pseudo-incidents.
There is no integration at all (of the persons's own incidents)...only a belief it has been processed...

Till the beast comes back...

Can you just imagined traumatised war soldiers to be ''handled and fixed'' with $cientology.... They would be presented more pseudo-incidents with Bombs H and volcanoes and associates...

In the absence of a true therapy, a friend would do real better, as a friend will listen and won't add pseudo-trauma...:confused2:

I am astonished at how some people who surf this board still believe in the auditing and believe they erase content of pseudo-incident, even when given all the truth about where this sci-fi opera fantasy came from....and the insane mind who fantasized them...

Exactly, and it's impossible to "as-is" anything if you are having to be extra careful with the wording (as you do in the cult and presumably in an indie cult) which is why ESMB works for most people because we can pretty much relax and say whatever we like without fear of "ethics" or of course good old disconnection.

Did anyone ever try "as-ising" (whether in session or out) an upset on staff that involves anything to do with scientology, the tehk, another staff member or a policy disagreement?



As others on this thread have pointed out ... if genuine therapy or assistance is required, it's readily available, and there is no need to revert to the out of date tosh that hubbard cobbled together (and the poor, sad indies still wallow in) ... if I were stressed and in need of help I'd rather stay that way than buy back into the tek myth ... it's exhausting and far too stressful.

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

ka- snip!

My point was not concerning the person reaching for scientology though, it was about the scientologist who (for whatever reason) wanted no part in 'disseminating" to a friend even though it would have taken no effort at all.

I can't help feeling that if left alone he would have been free long ago ... the constant emotional blackmail (from members of the cult) and those invisible chains work very well ... tek is not what scientology is really about ... it's about entrapment.

You reminded me of why I had back off on dissem - I had this thought years ago - I wanted to make sure it worked on myself, before I promoted it to someone else. I don't really know why I had this "below the surface distrust" of Scientology - and it would wax and wane. Perhaps one of my most cringe worthy utterances, was when I comped OT 6, and had to say some words in reception at the sand castle - I babbled, but the one thing the stands out was my saying LRH was the bomb - and I was practically outside my self not believing I said it. It was so pandering, or needing of approval, it was one of those things you really regret saying.

I can understand an OT not wanting to disseminate, I hated being put on a pedestal and being told I had to set a good example, I disliked being told by security I couldn't wear a Sky Vodka tee shirt at flag because it was out PR. There were these things that didn't sit well with me, and I just didn't feel right about promoting it until I got "my case handled"

Mimsey

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

Heh heh. snip but mostly for carrying over an idea that the type of memories we refer to in the human brain when we say we remember an individual event is the same as the type of memory in grouped biological organisms, like plants, insects and some animals, and his idea that these 'group memories' are inherited in a collective memory and carry on for generations. It is an explanation in conflict with known scientific facts. ka snip!

Why didn't Sheldrake work with this amazing information of how fast evolution actually occurs, which is in his own field, but instead jumped to the extreme, sensational hypothesis that memory is inherited in a species?

I have absolute no idea who Mandrake or what ever his name is wrote or believed, but have you ever read anything about the holographic universe? It seems to be in a similar vein, where ( if I recall it correctly) memories are holographic in nature, so in your example, each bee in a hive could have a portion of the memory as a whole, much like any small chunk of a hologram has the whole memory image imbedded in it.

The thing about the woman who can't recall her past - reminds me a lot of short term memory loss on a grand scale. I find, now that I am a walking fossil, my short term memory is crap. Gratuitous example - I promised to pay some one for a job they did. Said I'd put the check in the mail that night. Hung up the phone. Here's the text I got today: Hi Mimsey. I'm guessing you forgot to send my check. Did I guess right? Let me know. Thanks.

So, I can see how she could live life without remembering her past.
After I stopped stressing about not remembering like I used to, I got a lot happier in my day to day life.

Why, um, what was it I wanted to tell you? ummmm. Oh, I'll think of it. Just give me a moment.

Mimsey

 

[I told you I was trouble]

You reminded me of why I had back off on dissem - I had this thought years ago - I wanted to make sure it worked on myself, before I promoted it to someone else. I don't really know why I had this "below the surface distrust" of Scientology - and it would wax and wane. Perhaps one of my most cringe worthy utterances, was when I comped OT 6, and had to say some words in reception at the sand castle - I babbled, but the one thing the stands out was my saying LRH was the bomb - and I was practically outside my self not believing I said it. It was so pandering, or needing of approval, it was one of those things you really regret saying.

I can understand an OT not wanting to disseminate, I hated being put on a pedestal and being told I had to set a good example, I disliked being told by security I couldn't wear a Sky Vodka tee shirt at flag because it was out PR. There were these things that didn't sit well with me, and I just didn't feel right about promoting it until I got "my case handled"

Mimsey

I truly understand, I couldn't "disseminate" to others if my life depended on it ... I tried once only and the person (an eminent Surgeon who was fond of me) came into the local org at my request (presumably out of respect for me) and was promptly signed up for some basic auditing ... of which he did a small amount after the obligatory word clearing. His astonishment, horror and obvious surprise at the whole thing left me feeling embarrassed and mortified and I broke up my friendship with him (and changed my phone number) as soon as possible so I didn't have to see or feel his pity, because that was very clearly what he felt for me after seeing what I was caught up in.

 

[ThetanExterior]

I truly understand, I couldn't "disseminate" to others if my life depended on it ... I tried once only and the person (an eminent Surgeon who was fond of me) came into the local org at my request (presumably out of respect for me) and was promptly signed up for some basic auditing ... of which he did a small amount after the obligatory word clearing. His astonishment, horror and obvious surprise at the whole thing left me feeling embarrassed and mortified and I broke up my friendship with him (and changed my phone number) as soon as possible so I didn't have to see or feel his pity, because that was very clearly what he felt for me after seeing what I was caught up in.

I never got anyone into scientology and I'm eternally grateful for that.

I remember being at Saint Hill receiving OT Eligibility auditing and I coughed an overt wherein someone at work had looked at my gold OT bracelet and asked what the (scientology) symbol stood for. I didn't want to get into a discussion about it so I just said I didn't know.

Boy you should have seen this auditor's TRs go out when he heard that.

He looked at me as if I was a piece of crap. I left the cult soon after.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

...

--snipped--

when I comped OT 6. . .

I hated being put on a pedestal and being told I had to set a good example, I disliked being told by security I couldn't wear a Sky Vodka tee shirt at flag because it was out PR.

LOLOLOL

You have no idea how much I love that OT anecdote. It explains everything about Scientology.

A super upstat Scientologist spends fortunes and decades to ascend to Clear and beyond--to the Advanced Levels.

And, after untold dedication and diligence, they finally arrive one day at OT VI or OT VII, atop the Bridge to Total Freedom.

As a reward, the indulge themselves in the tiniest nano-particle of "total freedom" imaginable--to dress themselves by boldly shopping for and picking out their own t-shirt one day. And then they wear it. . .

Only to be severely reprimanded by "Security Forces" and ordered to go change their shirt.

Like a 4 year old child who put on a t-shirt with chocolate ice cream on it from the day before.

You can pay a half-million dollars for "total freedom" and get all the certificates and standing ovations for achieving it. But you are not allowed to actually USE or EXPERIENCE any of that freedom.

I can't stop this rant yet, lol. Because there is something even more diabolically hypocritical about it. The very same "Security" enforcer and Scientologists who slam in the ethics of a OT who has a Sky Vodka graphic on it are the ones that do it in the name of supreme gurus L. Ron Hubbard and David Miscavige.

Both of whom were/are heavy boozers.

I wish I was back in Scientology again. So I could get the sublime pleasure of blowing again.

Did I mention recently that Scientologists are not the elite 1% of the top 3% of able beings on this planet? They are more accurately amongst the most delusionally gullible dupes that ever lived "on this planet".

 

[JustSheila]

I have absolute no idea who Mandrake or what ever his name is wrote or believed, but have you ever read anything about the holographic universe? It seems to be in a similar vein, where ( if I recall it correctly) memories are holographic in nature, so in your example, each bee in a hive could have a portion of the memory as a whole, much like any small chunk of a hologram has the whole memory image imbedded in it.

The thing about the woman who can't recall her past - reminds me a lot of short term memory loss on a grand scale. I find, now that I am a walking fossil, my short term memory is crap. Gratuitous example - I promised to pay some one for a job they did. Said I'd put the check in the mail that night. Hung up the phone. Here's the text I got today: Hi Mimsey. I'm guessing you forgot to send my check. Did I guess right? Let me know. Thanks.

So, I can see how she could live life without remembering her past.
After I stopped stressing about not remembering like I used to, I got a lot happier in my day to day life.

Why, um, what was it I wanted to tell you? ummmm. Oh, I'll think of it. Just give me a moment.

Mimsey

LOL!

Sheldrake. This is a Mandrake. They are screaming plants that look like deformed creatures that Harry Potter and his friends grew for magic (there's also a real plant by that name, btw):

Sheldrake's most famous and controversial hypotheses were that memories aren't contained in the mind, but outside of it, and are part of a group awareness where memories are inherited through generations. If you know just that much about it, you can debate with anyone about it for hours. I'm sure Rog will fill us in on more details, though.

Re. the holographic universe... I looked it up after reading your post Mate, that is so over my head. I only have the barest, basic knowledge of astronomy and got lost in the first three sentences! It sounds like an interesting idea, though. Personally, I believe there are all sorts of connections between living things and I'm glad to see more and more scientists and others looking into this. My beliefs on this have always been spiritually-based rather than scientific, though.

If I could see the animal/insect holographic universe, maybe I could keep all the neighborhood's cats and dogs out of my yard. Two days ago I took three cats home twice, chased off a young pup who suddenly veered out of his yard and raced into mine, tail wagging, and found another neighbor's dog snoozing on my back deck! Yesterday a dog sat and watched me for hours just feet away while my worker and I were rebuilding the side deck, all the cats were back, and I found another cat snoozing in my garage that I'd left open for materials! I'd love to see and find that holographic sign that says, 'Welcome all ANIMALS! Meet friends, mate and take your dumps here!' so I could take it down. Weirdest thing is that none of the animals fight, and two are brand new to the neighborhood, too.

Re. personal autobiographical memory, IMHO, so overrated. Seems it's only become immensely important in the last 100 years or so, like some kind of fashion. We have so many other mental functions and perceptions, but somehow society equates personal memories with individuality and personality. Why? And why believe spirits go dragging around chains of memories? Recognition works, too, and there are skills that don't get lost, either. And why believe memory is the key to all healing in the first place? Such a limited, myopic viewpoint when you think about it.

Sometimes fear of not remembering causes lack of memory, btw, it's one of those self-fulfilling prophecies. IMO, worrying shorts out the memory connections. Don't sweat the everyday, mundane stuff, just write it on a calendar or schedule and get in the habit of using it and trust that other memories will come as needed and enjoy yourself every day of your life. x x x

I like talking to exes that haven't given up all their spiritual beliefs far more than talking to New Agers about this stuff. Exes who know about cult tactics and brainwashing have far more intelligent conversations. Trudging through the silliness of some of the New Age ideas takes a lot of extra steps of grooving them in to different ways they've been conned. Many still have the 'he/she is an authority so it must be true' attitude so sometimes it's hard to get any real conversation going beyond that.

 

[Dulloldfart]

Sheldrake's most famous and controversial hypotheses were that memories aren't contained in the mind, but outside of it, and are part of a group awareness where memories are inherited through generations. If you know just that much about it, you can debate with anyone about it for hours. I'm sure Rog will fill us in on more details, though.

It's something you can check out for yourself, if you want. Once into a simple PaulsRobot session, one gets a screenful of options to do next (http://paulsrobot.com/session-audio-gen-main-options.html ).

One of the options is "ownership," primarily for people still into BTs etc but not exclusively. The Scn-think details are carefully avoided while still allowing people to make use of the usual narrowing-of-attention procedure.

The second (of three) ownership screens, which asks "Where is the charge located in relation to your body?" includes the note:

Morphic fields etc.

There is also a possibility that some charge resides in a morphic field, and is not localised somewhere. Again, if it seems to apply, put your attention on where it seems to be and work with that, and if not don't.​

So, the checking-for-oneself bit involves taking up something that is charged in order to discharge it, and while doing so directing one's attention to any supposed morphogenetic fields while doing the usual PaulsRobot techniques and seeing if any charge can be dissipated thereby. Personally I've checked it a couple of times and found nothing, but that isn't to say there couldn't be charge stored there.

So if you (the general reader) feel inclined, go for it. [BTW, if anyone does ever find some morphic field charge in this way, please let me know]. And as an added note, I have no idea if morphic fields -- if they exist -- would store charge anyway.

Paul

 

[JustSheila]

Thanks, Paul. That's kind of neat, a site to personally test Sheldrake's theory without any outside interference or any inference or taint of Tubby's ideas.

You've sure come up with a lot of things with more general New Age concepts completely apart from scn. And obviously, since the Robot is free, you're not in it for the money, either.

 

[Gizmo]

Why as-ising actually does NOT work & can NOT ever work !

Please look at my siggy line. Putting attention on something ATTRACTS MORE TO IT, period.

Want more of something ? Put you attention on it !

Still, it remains all one ever has to do is CHANGE THEIR MIND.

The good Doctor Hubbard missed so completely.

But he got his KoolAid drinkers addicted.

 

[Dulloldfart]

Re: Why as-ising actually does NOT work & can NOT ever work !

Please look at my siggy line. Putting attention on something ATTRACTS MORE TO IT, period.

Want more of something ? Put you attention on it !

Still, it remains all one ever has to do is CHANGE THEIR MIND.

The good Doctor Hubbard missed so completely.

Did he? Example from 30 minutes ago:

I was reading an (excellent) article from The Saker. English is not his native language, and there are sometimes minor typos, but rarely is the sense obscured and they are seldom a hindrance to me. This time he talked about something that would "endure" someone to another (make them think better of the other). I instantly got the idea but for the life of me couldn't think of the proper word. I knew it was similar, but it just wouldn't "pop." I spent about five minutes running through alphabetfuls of possibilities, feeling somewhat annoyed at my decaying mind. I tried reading on but got drawn back into finding this simple word that I knew so well but just couldn't put my finger on.

After that l-o-n-g five minutes the correct word finally appeared in my mind, and my attention became instantly freed. Did something get as-ised? I wouldn't bother to characterise it as that, but the immediate change from a confused introverted mental state to my normal one was marked.

Paul

 

[Gizmo]

Re: Why as-ising actually does NOT work & can NOT ever work !

Did he? Example from 30 minutes ago:

I was reading an (excellent) article from The Saker. English is not his native language, and there are sometimes minor typos, but rarely is the sense obscured and they are seldom a hindrance to me. This time he talked about something that would "endure" someone to another (make them think better of the other). I instantly got the idea but for the life of me couldn't think of the proper word. I knew it was similar, but it just wouldn't "pop." I spent about five minutes running through alphabetfuls of possibilities, feeling somewhat annoyed at my decaying mind. I tried reading on but got drawn back into finding this simple word that I knew so well but just couldn't put my finger on.

After that l-o-n-g five minutes the correct word finally appeared in my mind, and my attention became instantly freed. Did something get as-ised? I wouldn't bother to characterise it as that, but the immediate change from a confused introverted mental state to my normal one was marked.

Paul

If you want to believe one piece of your personal experience " validates " Doctor Hubbard, uh, I accept you observation as ' what's true for you is true for you '.

There could, maybe possibly, be some difficulty getting much agreement from others that what is ' true for you ' somehow becomes true for anyone else but you ?

 

[JustSheila]

Re: Why as-ising actually does NOT work & can NOT ever work !

Please look at my siggy line. Putting attention on something ATTRACTS MORE TO IT, period.

Want more of something ? Put you attention on it !

Maybe sometimes, Gizzy, like with obsessions or addictions, but just about everything can become obsessive if it's overdone. As a general rule of thumb, your statement is as unrealistic as any Hubbardism.

Focus is important. Focus is a defining characteristic of intelligence. Focus allows us to solve problems, make plans, organize. Focus is a good thing, a very, very good thing. It means concentration in a single direction. Focused attention makes the difference between a good worker or a bad one, a great job or a poor one, poor results or good ones, detailed beauty or rough slipshod design, safety or danger.

It remains all one ever has to do is CHANGE THEIR MIND.

The good Doctor Hubbard missed so completely.

But he got his KoolAid drinkers addicted.

A decision is only the first step of recovery or major change of any kind. Ask any recovered alcoholic or any other recovered addict. It takes a lot more, a holistic approach. As for the rest of life, changing your mind all the time just doesn't cut it, either.

Hubbard certainly does advocate 'changing one's mind' about family and friendships if they aren't supportive of scn, and about many other things. He was wrong. It was Hubbard who went on and on about a person's personal postulates (decisions) being senior to everything else, and the way you state this is just another spin on the same Hubbard mantra - 'Change your postulates and you will change your life! That's all there is to it!' No, Gizmo. And honestly, I hate these one phrase motivational 'this fixes everything' empty maxims.

Most worthwhile things in life take a lot of time, effort, focus, learning, overcoming failures and involve a lot of aspects of a person's life. Relationships don't get fixed by simply snapping your fingers and changing your mind, nor do a lot of other things.

 

[JustSheila]

Re: Why as-ising actually does NOT work & can NOT ever work !

Did he? Example from 30 minutes ago:

I was reading an (excellent) article from The Saker. English is not his native language, and there are sometimes minor typos, but rarely is the sense obscured and they are seldom a hindrance to me. This time he talked about something that would "endure" someone to another (make them think better of the other). I instantly got the idea but for the life of me couldn't think of the proper word. I knew it was similar, but it just wouldn't "pop." I spent about five minutes running through alphabetfuls of possibilities, feeling somewhat annoyed at my decaying mind. I tried reading on but got drawn back into finding this simple word that I knew so well but just couldn't put my finger on.

After that l-o-n-g five minutes the correct word finally appeared in my mind, and my attention became instantly freed. Did something get as-ised? I wouldn't bother to characterise it as that, but the immediate change from a confused introverted mental state to my normal one was marked.

Paul

Yeh, I wouldn't call it as-ising, either not even close. Solve a puzzle, find that annoying 'TOT' (Tip of the Tongue) word, and it's quite satisfying. The mental search for the 'right' this or that can be frustrating, but oh, how pleasant it is when the puzzle is resolved. Nothing disappears though, except the mental search and frustration from searching, right?

Tip of the tongue (or TOT) is the phenomenon of failing to retrieve a word from memory, combined with partial recall and the feeling that retrieval is imminent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip_of_the_tongue