Downward spiral of the COS

[Churchill]

How many of the Russian and Eastern European staff at the Flag Land Base have access to HBO?

Hell, how many of them even have access to their passports?

Glib pronouncements are not what brought us to this moment.

The daily effort by Tony,Tory,WBM, Karen, Marty, Mike,Tom, Sara, Spanky, Chris, Andreas and others that culminated with Wright, Haggis and Gibney

has brought a multi-billion dollar abusive and vindictive organization to its knees.

Only fools would believe that it's "over."


Nothing happens for decades; then decades happen in days.

 

[Terril park]

I agree that it's already dead. Question for all...If critics let up, would it bounce back?

I doubt it, but why deny me my hobby?

 

[MrNobody]

How many of the Russian and Eastern European staff at the Flag Land Base have access to HBO?

<snip>

Everybody with a computer, a healthy Internet connection and an approximately properly working brain has access to Torrent files.

So where's the problem?

 

[Claire Swazey]

There is no way out for DM. He can either keep acting like he's acting or face the music, which he won't do.

I think he's a paranoid megalomaniac. I think he's out of his mind. And before that, he was a nasty violent man. Now he's a nasty violent man who's utterly nuts.

I guess the only other thing he could do is make a run for S America.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Sure. Great post. Thanks.

So what are your thoughts on the Ideal Org program in relation to them selling all these buildings that are now choking them? MANY people gave everything they had to those buildings. They've second mortgaged their homes, taken out huge loans, given away college and retirement funds.

That would be a lot of very angry people. Do they get their money back? That seems like a mass law suit. That's a swindle of epic proportions. I'd be interested to hear you thoughts on the Ideal Org scam.

Frankly, I think it's their biggest problem and a catastrophe in the making. I think Miscavige (along with Cruise as an accessory) bit off way more than he could chew in his straight up and vertical, run-away train paradigm that is now backfiring on him because he made very poor business decisions. This is easy to do when you're using someone else's money.

The IDEAL ORGS program is a quasi-Ponzi scheme.

Check writers do not expect cash return on their investment, so in that sense it is clearly not a Ponzi scheme.

However, there is a tacit understanding--not legally binding, but still lethal if it backfires on the COS. To wit, Scientologists have been promised and virtually guaranteed that their new Ideal Orgs will boom Scientology in their city to "unprecedented" levels. That's what they bargained for.

Miscavige has no way in hell of delivering on that delusional con game. The clock has been ticking for a decade and none of the Ideal Orgs are ideal. They are all failing miserably and while maybe that could be cleverly hidden the first few years, the nightmarish failure is there as a reminder, every single day.

It's just a building. And nothing happened with all those hundreds of millions of dollars that the brutal fundraising techniques pressured out of parishioners. The Scientologists are incredibly dumb, but after ten years, even they begin to get the vague notion that something is wrong.

Empty buildings.

Horrible stats.

Public avoiding Scn like the plague.

This whole scheme is now beginning to backfire on Miscavige. It's gravity. Nothing any longer can prevent things from tumbling downwards.

HELPFUL TIP TO SCIENTOLOGISTS: Your money is lost. The orgs are not only NOT Ideal, they are failing entirely. You guys with your advanced scientific management technology have been making fun of wogs who can do no better than "flip burgers". Guess what. Those burger places are solvent. This would be a good time to make your exit from the COS and start planning out the rest of your life. If you stay, you will succumb along with the Ideal Orgs. Take a quick look over at the door--you can do it.

 

[La La Lou Lou]

There is no way out for DM. He can either keep acting like he's acting or face the music, which he won't do.

I think he's a paranoid megalomaniac. I think he's out of his mind. And before that, he was a nasty violent man. Now he's a nasty violent man who's utterly nuts.

I guess the only other thing he could do is make a run for S America.

I do think it would be his best option to just get out while he can. I wonder what he'd look like without his rug? Photoshopped pictures of that should be posted in airports. Mind you he's probably use JT to fly him in a private jet.

 

[cleared cannibal]

Sure. Great post. Thanks.

So what are your thoughts on the Ideal Org program in relation to them selling all these buildings that are now choking them? MANY people gave everything they had to those buildings. They've second mortgaged their homes, taken out huge loans, given away college and retirement funds.

That would be a lot of very angry people. Do they get their money back? That seems like a mass law suit. That's a swindle of epic proportions. I'd be interested to hear you thoughts on the Ideal Org scam.

Frankly, I think it's their biggest problem and a catastrophe in the making. I think Miscavige (along with Cruise as an accessory) bit off way more than he could chew in his straight up and vertical, run-away train paradigm that is now backfiring on him because he made very poor business decisions. This is easy to do when you're using someone else's money.

I haven't abandoned you all but I only have a small amount of time each day to post uninterrupted. I will give it some thought and get back tonight with some thoughts. The reason people like this thread is that it is most all speculation and we are allowed to indulge our fantasies .

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

There is no way out for DM. He can either keep acting like he's acting or face the music, which he won't do.

I think he's a paranoid megalomaniac. I think he's out of his mind. And before that, he was a nasty violent man. Now he's a nasty violent man who's utterly nuts.

I guess the only other thing he could do is make a run for S America.

That's my guess. Maybe he'll have a ranch in Paraguay near George Bush 1's?

 

[Northern Shewolf]

That's my guess. Maybe he'll have a ranch in Paraguay near George Bush 1's?

Or pull a Brando: private island in the Pacific, tons of these...

 

[cleared cannibal]

Sure. Great post. Thanks.

So what are your thoughts on the Ideal Org program in relation to them selling all these buildings that are now choking them? MANY people gave everything they had to those buildings. They've second mortgaged their homes, taken out huge loans, given away college and retirement funds.

That would be a lot of very angry people. Do they get their money back? That seems like a mass law suit. That's a swindle of epic proportions. I'd be interested to hear you thoughts on the Ideal Org scam.

Frankly, I think it's their biggest problem and a catastrophe in the making. I think Miscavige (along with Cruise as an accessory) bit off way more than he could chew in his straight up and vertical, run-away train paradigm that is now backfiring on him because he made very poor business decisions. This is easy to do when you're using someone else's money.

I've had a very long day and not sure how much sense I will make but I have thought of some scenarios .

First the COS is a master at peeing down your back but telling you it is raining(credit Fletcher "The Outlaw Josie Whales") or in other words making one think something is good which is really bad. I know I have experienced it.

I can see some new policy come down which indicates that the 10K OT's are needed immediately in order to save the planet,all other endeavors are to be placed on hold. Of course due to the speed necessary all auditing would need to be done at advanced orgs. To get the needed resources most all property would would be divested,but not to worry with 10K OTs stats will boom so much that even more orgs will come into existence very shortly. Very stringent sec checks would need to be done to make sure you are worthy of being one of the chosen ones. You know many are called but few are chosen. Only mission type orgs would exist in rented buildings at most of the class IV org cities.
Think it is far fetched? How much more so than having OTs starting over on the student hat or redoing the grades?

AS far as DM goes I really hope he is a simple con man and criminal and not a true believer. If he really believes the BS he puts out there could be a horrific Jonestown type event if the cult really does go down. How about taking your voyage to eternity on the Freewinds. I think this is unlikely but a possibility.

I think they can drag this ideal org thing on quite a bit longer. I have noticed a subtle change already. Now funds are needed for renovations as most of the buildings have been purchased. Progress is being made and as soon as our targets are met work can begin. If they can keep the orgs manned with even a skeleton crew I think 5 years is possible. The cult is also really good at not letting a crisis to go to waste so if world events such as war or depression happen to occur we could see it at any time. I think I may have experienced a trial run on this as right after 9/11. I received a frantic call saying we needed to make 10k OTs immediately and they needed a large donation . I declined and I never heard any more about it. I'm not sure if this was just a rogue regg or if they were floating a trial balloon.

I am sure it won't go down exactly like this but will be something equally absurd.