Draconian mind control Ls

[Veda]

Veda ~~

Instead of focusing into an occasional charity Ls repair I do ~~ Isn't it more important that I am airing this kind of video ?​

http://youtu.be/FlqpEy9EFmA

The video I saw was OK, but nothing new. I thought that your commentary, implying that the Sea Org, once upon a time, was pretty cool, detracted from the one video I've watched so far.

Maybe the rest will be better.

It still would be nice if you'd clarify what you meant by your L's comments, and respond to Caroline's post re. the Ls.

 

[Veda]

Veda,

From my own personal experience, you didn't recognize my sincere olive branch when I offered it, describing it instead as "manipulative garbage."

Please consider that your judgment may be off a bit on this subject.

TG1

Read the context of that exchange.

I am entitled to my opinion as are you.

 

[Karen#1]

Well Veda,

How about my whistle blowing on a 13 year old used for slave labor....on the "Sea Organization" ~~ the so called "clergy" of the Church
Child and Human trafficking

You aren't even making videos so why do you criticize a sincere effort to expose it all ?


http://youtu.be/FlqpEy9EFmA

 

[Veda]

Well Veda,

How about my whistle blowing on a 13 year old used for slave labor....on the "Sea Organization" ~~ the so called "clergy" of the Church
Child and Human trafficking

You aren't even making videos so why do you criticize a sincere effort to expose it all ?


http://youtu.be/FlqpEy9EFmA

The little bit of "criticism" was pretty mild.

Mostly I've praised your efforts and wished you well.

However, we disagree on some matters. For example, I don't think you're "exposing its all." I think you're, very selectively, exposing only that which will allow you to forward Independent Scientology, blame Miscavige, and salvage Hubbard's reputation.

I seen no point in prolonging this discussion.

It's a waste of time for both of us.

 

[Infinite]

Veda ~~

Instead of focusing into an occasional charity Ls repair I do ~~ Isn't it more important that I am airing this kind of video ?​

<snip vid>

Hi Karen. Great work on the video. Jason's story is a remarkable tale of endurance. Thank you for giving him a platform to shout it out from the roof tops. IMHO, everyone should pay attention even if only to consider ". . . there but for the grace of God . . . " Hopefully, it will spark additional public interest, ideally, it will prompt authorities to bring an end to this sort of abuse going on right under their noses.

Back on topic . . . I understand that the Ls are the most expensive procedures. Getting the message out that they have been "corrupted" could well impinge on David Miscavige's income if even a few of his whales twig that something's up.

A favour, if I may be so bold. Would you please explain how the Ls now being delivered in the cult differ from the Ls that used to be delivered? I've had a good look around - over at Wise Old Goat, over at the FreeZone and rummaged through DianaClass8 series of videos and various other tech-type sites, but can't find anything relating specifically to the Ls. Its probably because I'm just wog and I might have missed some reference or associated procedure of something . . . maybe you can help?

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

Veda ~~

You me and Caroline never met.
But the fixation me is over the moon
It is unnatural.
It makes no sense.
You are apparently unable to "let go" of me and move on
Hence
I think I am going to have to summon you to Ethics !
​

​

Well...you are kind of cute.

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[Gib]

The little bit of "criticism" was pretty mild.

Mostly I've praised your efforts and wished you well.

However, we disagree on some matters. For example, I don't think you're "exposing its all." I think you're, very selectively, exposing only that which will allow you to forward Independent Scientology, blame Miscavige, and salvage Hubbard's reputation.

I seen no point in prolonging this discussion.

It's a waste of time for both of us.

Well Veda, I agree with all you wrote above.

And I totally agree with Karen as to what she is doing.

From a public viewpoint, me, who was totally in just a year and a half ago, the videos are quite revealing. My viewpoint 1 1/2 years ago was the sea org had their shit together and knew what they were doing. And DM had his shit together and knew what he was doing. The videos reveal it's all a cover-up on false stats, false LRH technology on management (as I bite my tongue). That impinges on public. Just like your postings of information regarding the church & hubbard impinges.

It's all good.

 

[Veda]

Well Veda, I agree with all you wrote above.

And I totally agree with Karen as to what she is doing.

From a public viewpoint, me, who was totally in just a year and a half ago, the videos are quite revealing. My viewpoint 1 1/2 years ago was the sea org had their shit together and knew what they were doing. And DM had his shit together and knew what he was doing. The videos reveal it's all a cover-up on false stats, false LRH technology on management (as I bite my tongue). That impinges on public. Just like your postings of information regarding the church & hubbard impinges.

It's all good.

 

[Anonycat]

OT levels w/L 10, 11, 12: http://www.mediafire.com/view/?w39wq7ew1q1dd35

 

[Karen#1]

Well...you are kind of cute.

The Anabaptist Jacques

Taj ~~
I purchased all this SO regalia from local Army and Navy surplus stories and Ebay.
Then a bunch of us had an evening of fun and belly laughs and fun as the videos were shot.
Because my videos are a spoof, (Saturday Night Live vignettes,) I did not use correct SO protocol of Dress A uniform where the lanyard goes on the right shoulder and the campaign bars on the left of the jacket. I am a Donkey MAA that polices Facebook friends and threatens eternites of Amnesia
Lifetime after lifetime of dying alone and in the dark !!

I also sell Basics. $3000 a pop.
​

 

[Sea Orgasm]

I am new here, just read this entire thread and am hereby satiating the 1st of my 2 post new-user quota [i truly can not wait to go through it again and like/dislike/wtf/etc. some of the posts! effin' hilarious!!])

Now, back to whatever the hell was going on.

 

[Free Being Me]

Hubbard's scientology L's aren't the the real L, it's Love that is the real L, an inner quality we all share.

“Love is the strongest force the world possesses and yet it is the humblest imaginable.”

― Mahatma Gandhi

 

[Veda]

I am new here, just read this entire thread and am hereby satiating the 1st of my 2 post new-user quota [i truly can not wait to go through it again and like/dislike/wtf/etc. some of the posts! effin' hilarious!!])

Now, back to whatever the hell was going on.

Probably not the best thread to start with, unless you've done a lot of lurking.

Suggest looking over the Exscn.net link - the ESMB Home Page - at the bottom of this post.

 

[MostlyLurker]

What a tread!

I love and admire Gerry and Caroline. Thank you, thank you, thank you for keep telling your story, despite the danger and legal harassment. Gerry your videos do help peole. The "Affirmations" that you leaked did help and will help people.

I'm pretty much sure J.Swift doesn't know your full story, he didn't walked in you shoes, and repeating court sentences bought by Co$ don't really make justice. For example, I don't think your lawyer had your best interest at heart when he persuaded you to sign away your rights. Gerry, you telling the thruth about Hubbard helped me leave the cult. J.Swift did not help me leave.

Thank you Bent Corydon for clarifying that:
1) Conversation with Karen was private and Karen souldn't have reported it.
2) The L's weren't a fabolous experience but Karen was, for her caring.

Really, in post #2 Karen seems to promote the L's using Corydon's name. Its good Veda and Caroline pointed that out and Bent cleared it up in post #126

Magoo, thanks for post #103, you always try to bring sanity in a crazy world. I love you girl!!!

Karen, thank you for your videos and your actions to expose the cult abuses.

Veda and Karen, why can't you be friends?

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Gerry Armstrong has been fair gamed by CoS? So why should he bother about any "contracts"? ...

Because contract law is legally binding and there are legal consequences for violation of contract even if one believes they have been "fair gamed" by the other party. A court of law would have to invalidate the contract for it to become null and void. Or alternately, the other party could simply write it off as a loss and refrain from enforcing the contract, but that's not really the Co$ style.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Gib]

Taj ~~
I purchased all this SO regalia from local Army and Navy surplus stories and Ebay.

Then a bunch of us had an evening of fun and belly laughs and fun as the videos were shot.

Because my videos are a spoof, (Saturday Night Live vignettes,) I did not use correct SO protocol of Dress A uniform where the lanyard goes on the right shoulder and the campaign bars on the left of the jacket. I am a Donkey MAA that polices Facebook friends and threatens eternites of Amnesia
Lifetime after lifetime of dying alone and in the dark !!

I also sell Basics. $3000 a pop.
​

putting the fun into scientology again. LOL. I like it.

where the hell is hellvahoax?

 

[lotus]

I am new here, just read this entire thread and am hereby satiating the 1st of my 2 post new-user quota [i truly can not wait to go through it again and like/dislike/wtf/etc. some of the posts! effin' hilarious!!])

Now, back to whatever the hell was going on.

Wow
You go for the ''hot stuff''

this is one of the ''ESMB abbey'' thread
if you lost 2 or 3 decades of past plot and subplots - your lost with the web intrigues

 

[I told you I was trouble]

I am new here, just read this entire thread and am hereby satiating the 1st of my 2 post new-user quota [i truly can not wait to go through it again and like/dislike/wtf/etc. some of the posts! effin' hilarious!!])

Now, back to whatever the hell was going on.

You are going to fit right in here! ​

 

[tired_of_pain]

You aren't even making videos so why do you criticize a sincere effort to expose it all ?

Always attack, never defend - LConHubbab

PS: Reminder for everyone in this group, this is the same guy, ElCon, that developed the RFP, that had kids in chain lockers and ... hmm ... Google him, pretty horrendous. Not all started with Mscavige, it was already there, girl. So please, no more <3 ElCon here, Marty's blog or Rinders or Steve Hall or FZ is a better place to do so.

inb4OSA!!!

 

[Anonycat]

Always attack, never defend - LConHubbab

PS: Reminder for everyone in this group, this is the same guy, ElCon, that developed the RFP, that had kids in chain lockers and ... hmm ... Google him, pretty horrendous. Not all started with Mscavige, it was already there, girl. So please, no more <3 ElCon here, Marty's blog or Rinders or Steve Hall or FZ is a better place to do so.

inb4OSA!!!

Thanks for the information. I Googled RFP - thanks, I had no idea! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Request_for_proposal

Are you the new ESMB Ethics Officer t_o_p? Am I cleared to post here?