Draconian mind control Ls

[TG1]

Hi FTS, I dropped some artful soul imbibing music to share some harmony, I hope everyone likes it, I certainly do. The L's aren't my thing or anything scientology related for that matter, nor will I recommend them. I recall when I first arrived at ESMB, I was still thinking hubbard good, dm bad, with a head full of indoctrination. I see ESMB, among other things, as a wonderful place to peel the onion. And no one can peel that onion for anyone, it's a personal journey that will unfold as it will in it's own time. I try very hard now not to judge others for their own onion peeling. I can't fix them, speed up the process or repeatedly tell they need to be fixed, they have to realize that for themselves, with supportive patience and compassion coming from those around them.

Yes, I can be the harsh anti-scio critic, where nothing hubbard will be tolerated. I can also be encouraging with contrasts and information to ponder where I believe it will make a difference to whomever I'm speaking to about said peeling (not that I'm very good at it but I do try). I think there's a huge difference between onion peeling and being judgmental of those still believing in hubbard. I prefer to be more patient, less rigid in my thinking, more kind to others, and be someone that doesn't have the scientology mindset anymore. I was a scientologist and I have the greatest empathy for anyone still believing in it. That doesn't mean I'm condescending or better than anyone, only that I have compassion for them.

So, I have no reason to be involved with personality wars or go after people that give it their all to speak out against the church, hubbard, dm, scientology, or some combination thereof, especially when people have lost loved ones. We are all in this together and all doing our best in our own way.

I sometimes aspire to this approach. I wish I always aspired to this. I admire it very much.

Thanks for leading by your example.

TG1

 

[Lermanet_com]

Lisa Mcpherson, proudly displaying an "L-11" cert of Miscavology L-11 ~~~ 3 weeks before she took off her clothes and walked naked on Fort Harrison Avenue and then.........​

Dear Karen, It may not be the "why", it may have been a METHOD that failed..(note1)

I took a copy of LISA's EKG, (note2) from the CW Police file CD that Jeff Jacobsen had, to my long time Doctor in McLean, I asked him "What do you see", he said, "I see an elderly person with an elongated QT segment. I said no its not elderly, he said, then they were on drugs. I said, would PCP do this? He said (hell) yes.

Creed Pearson told me that PCP/Angeldust makes a person feel very HOT, so hot that they sometimes take their clothes off.

During the raid of my house, I became convinced because of the events of Sunday evening, that $cientology dosed me with LSD and some other substance. LINK

Jessie Prince reportedly exclaimed, after signing a heavy duty non disclosure agreement in the LISA case, after reviewing her PC folders,: "My God, they had to kill her"

My best guess for motive was that Lisa's "ethical dilemma' might have been due to an internal secret policy of the place she worked, Bennetta Slaughter (OT8) AMC Publishing,which sold "Insurance forms " (note3) - inflating employee's wages with an agreement they would donate to $cn a certain amount, as a means to hide LRH Royalties to ASI, and avoid another ALLstate debacle,(note4) (Hubbard rubbish used in training materials inside ALLSTATE Insurance company) which occurred only a few years previously.

note 1: Homicide detectives are trained to look for MMO, short for METHOD, MOTIVE and OPPORTUNITY

note 2: Image of this and this data posted on XENU.NET chatboard by me years ago. This was the EKG from when she was examined at the hospital after the minor traffic incident where she got out of the vehichle, started taking her clothes off, and told first responders something like "I need help"

note 3: Testimony of Bennetta Slaughter when asked what AMC Publishing did, this was on the witness stand she said "Sells insurance forms"...

note 4: A lawyer for the ALLState union told me verbally (one of those odd chance meetings) that Scientology almost brought down ALLstate.

 

[OhMG]

The "L's" were made Confidential as there is nothing magical to them. At Flag (PRE DM era) L-12 was the carrot dangled in front of FCCI's. What LRH, the Class XII's & reges preached was that you'd become stably exterior with full perception after L-12. ALL were lying. ALL knew that they were lying. NO ONE EVER achieved that STATED & PROMISED E.P. ALL Class XII's are guilty of knowing fraud.

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

I think they're in love.

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[Caroline]

First of all the phone call was not private, it was cleared with him.

What he signed does not prevent him from speaking on several issues.
It was not a David Mayo gag.

Please identify what Scientology issues Bent Corydon is not prevented from speaking on, that David Mayo is gagged about.

Obviously Bent has discussed the specifics of his contract with the Scientologists with you, so that must be something he’s not prevented from speaking on. Also obviously he’s not prevented from publicly discussing his experiences in Scientology.

This is not what Gerry had understood from Bent, even recently. But Bent might have had some reason not to be truthful with Gerry. Or you, of course.

Also, it is obvious that if you’re telling the truth, David or someone showed you the contract the Scientologists have with him. Please clarify how you came by your knowledge of the content of the David Mayo gag.

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

Veda,

If you run away because your feelings are hurt or for some other emotional reason then Scientology will spread.

It is that simple.

I despise Scientology and I know you do too.

Don't make it all about you.

Stay focused!

You don't have to be nasty, but harden the fuck up!

You used to post an appropriate response to every validation of the tech.

Get back on your game---there are lurkers watching.

http://youtu.be/AHciXv3BVXQ

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[TG1]

Please identify what Scientology issues Bent Corydon is not prevented from speaking on, that David Mayo is gagged about.

Obviously Bent has discussed the specifics of his contract with the Scientologists with you, so that must be something he’s not prevented from speaking on. Also obviously he’s not prevented from publicly discussing his experiences in Scientology.

This is not what Gerry had understood from Bent, even recently. But Bent might have had some reason not to be truthful with Gerry. Or you, of course.

Also, it is obvious that if you’re telling the truth, David or someone showed you the contract the Scientologists have with him. Please clarify how you came by your knowledge of the content of the David Mayo gag.

A few reactions to the above post:

1. ESMB is not a court, much less a kangaroo court.

2. A public discussion of the specific terms of Mayo's, Armstrong's, Corydon's and anyone else's gag orders / settlement agreement terms seems inappropriate at ESMB or on any public forum. I'd think that the dangers in discussing these terms would be incredibly obvious to you.

3. The self-righteous ecstasy you're now feeling because you've found someone to blame for what ails you will not last. It never does.

4. If you issued rookie interrogatories on a message board to me like the ones you've just issued to Karen, I would

TG1

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

Please identify what Scientology issues Bent Corydon is not prevented from speaking on, that David Mayo is gagged about.

Obviously Bent has discussed the specifics of his contract with the Scientologists with you, so that must be something he’s not prevented from speaking on. Also obviously he’s not prevented from publicly discussing his experiences in Scientology.

This is not what Gerry had understood from Bent, even recently. But Bent might have had some reason not to be truthful with Gerry. Or you, of course.

Also, it is obvious that if you’re telling the truth, David or someone showed you the contract the Scientologists have with him. Please clarify how you came by your knowledge of the content of the David Mayo gag.

It seems you're basically telling her to "get Bent."

(Is it just me that thinks his name is Brent?)

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[This is NOT OK !!!!]

Yes.

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

Yes.

His name is actually, Bent?

There's his problem.

He doesn't need an L he needs an R.

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[Terril park]

Nothing was altered by me.

I quoted you exactly which led to you correcting your own misleading statement.

Once again: BYE.

What Veda means by exactly:-

Karen said:-

No, I did not state all Ls are draconian Mind Control.
THE CURRENT DAVID MISCAVIGE LS ARE MIND CONTROL.

Veda said:-
I was surprised to see Karen#1 describing the L's as "draconian mind control."











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[phenomanon]

I was one of the guinea pigs when Hubbard was developing the Ls. It nearly did me in. And yes, I did attest to something or other at the time, I was so totally mind fucked I thought I was to blame for all the bad things in the world but like a good little ronbot I smiled and wrote a success story and was released back into the world with the most enormous emotional burden you can imagine. Luckily I was young and had the resilience to survive, although it wasn't until I wrote about it here on ESMB that I recovered from the harm done.

I had L-11 on the Apollo, delivered by Leon Steinberg, a Cl12. I blew the ship a few days later. So it "worked" for me. Just not the way it was s'posed to.
I've audited a few L's completions. I saw very High tone arms ( I'm talking 5. or 6. ),indicating over-restimulation, too much unhandled charge, or missed witholds.

 

[phenomanon]

The people I saw were the actual "products" of the finalized Ls from the early 1970s - people who had been to the ship.

There was a tremendous mystique about the Ls, and encountering its "products" was always a bit of a let down, and sometimes - in the case of the super gung ho producers for LRH - mildly annoying, if not downright scary. Although I never thought much about it. I couldn't afford the expensive Ls anyway, and was mainly concerned, like most Scientologists, with completing my next Scientology action on the regular Grade Chart - the Ls were "fabulous OT boosters" and were not on the usual Grade Chart.

Someone posting the actual materials - by link - would be good.

Veda, I've been on the Boards since 1994, where I posted as Ladayla on ARS, and only a couple of days ago I figgered out how to scan dox.
So maybe I can scan them in. Gimme time.

 

[Terril park]

The "L's" were made Confidential as there is nothing magical to them. At Flag (PRE DM era) L-12 was the carrot dangled in front of FCCI's. What LRH, the Class XII's & reges preached was that you'd become stably exterior with full perception after L-12. ALL were lying. ALL knew that they were lying. NO ONE EVER achieved that STATED & PROMISED E.P. ALL Class XII's are guilty of knowing fraud.

I've not heard this promised in the FZ. I wasn't when I did L-11.

I wasn't even regged for L-12 afterwards.

 

[Terril park]

I have heard comments from those who have observed recent L's PCs from
Flag and they have been in general negative. Auditor and C/S friends have told
me they can't believe how screwed up tech has been on the people who've come to
get fixed up after St Hills, or other CO$ orgs.

So L's at flag draconian? Isn't everything at flag draconian?

I've posted dozens of rave success stories re L's in the FZ, and there is nothing draconian
on the descriptions of the experience. Quite the opposite. Some can be found in the "Freezone
Success Stories " thread.

This is mine on L-11.


L-11 completion

One of the good things of recent events is I get to hang out with Trey. He's a real cool dude! Very funny, young at heart, and full of interesting info.

LRH once said something along the lines of " all abberation is self invalidation."

That's pretty much true for me. And Scientology and auditing has been stripping such away since I started, including L-11.

I think that people's experience on L-11 will be quite varied, according to their experiences, position on the bridge when they do it and where they want to be heading.

On OT2, my favorite bridge level, I found myself experiencing this from " Factor 28:-

" Certainty in all three universes must be regained, for certainty, not data, is knowledge."

This has been somewhat expanded upon in L-11, and includes what to me seems to be a re-experiencing of fractors 1&2:-

"1 Before the beginning was a Cause and the entire purpose of the Cause was the creation of effect.
2 In the beginning and forever is the decision and the decision is TO BE."

One of the best actions ever for me was a self elected FPRD, and on this I went whole track big time, running among other things pre physical universe events. L-11 dosn't seem to be aimed at going way back track, but
one at times gets the usual question " is there an earlier time....."

So it seems I recalled the start of my track. Well perhaps its just another way station on the train journey of life, but for me, yes it was the start of track. And also it was a revelation about my relationship to the eighth dynamic. Definitely a part of MY dynamics.

So life can sometimes be surreal. This auditing has been taking place in a Los Vegas casino, and I wouldn't have wanted it to have been anywhere else. Me and my fellow members of the "2011 Los Vegas convention
L-11 club" have enjoyed it here so much. So sometimes, in session breaks, to get some havingness I go out to the casino's wild life garden, full of exotic birds and even more exotic fish, an oasis in this desert, of moisture laden air from all the pools and waterfalls.I usually run across a few wedding parties here also. Not really trying to promote the Flamingo Casino, and no I'm not getting paid for this. The rooms are cheap when you go mid week.

When I go out the other door, and walk down the strip its a completely different experience. Every 3 yards there is someone wearing a T-shirt saying-

" GIRLS Girls girls, delivered to you in 20 minutes."

And giving out cards with pictures. Wondering if there's any connection with all the weddings? Then another casino's PA system tells one that non stop strip poker is playing inside. [ think I'll have to go check that one out!]

So people come to Vegas to have fun, be entertained and play, and they mostly seem happy.

This brings me to some more of my wins, an increase in happiness, and
the spirit of play, the latter including irreverence, iconoclasm and humour.

During this process got exposed to this:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=SUcs7oI1-aU

An outpouring of joy from an angel which seems appropriate, despite all the villagers apparently having to die. Guess its my dark side.

Then I'm reminded of the final stanza of my favorite poem. Here a Hindu
priest is waiting for possible death for dallying with the royal princess. He is not mourning, seeking forgiveness, trying to square up things with his maker or anything like that. His irreverence of accepted standards, his iconoclastic breaking of the rules and his love are an expression of his spirit of play - he just want's to remember the fun parts.


"Even now
I know that I have savoured the hot taste of life
Lifting green cups and gold at the great feast.
Just for a small and a forgotten time
I have had full in my eyes from off my girl
The whitest pouring of eternal light....."



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[Purple Rain]

This picture is just perfect because the joint operation to malign, trick, humiliate, and bait Karen and to destroy her name and reputation has failed UDDERLY!!!

Udderly deluded to think we wouldn't notice...

or care...

but mostly just...

and that's what happens when you try and...

 

[Lulu Belle]

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[Caroline]

Hubbard and the first rick roll: Never gonna let you go...

 

[Caroline]

Sounds more mental than draconian. The Scientology philosophy and system is of course draconian.

 

[Purple Rain]

Sounds more mental than draconian. The Scientology philosophy and system is of course draconian.

But some of the tech is so useful even though extremely draconian - like black propaganda. They train one well in that at OSA, don't they? Some people get to be quite good at it. Especially if one can splurge it all over the internet. Then one's stats would soar into screaming affluence.