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xyz1000

Patron
Hi Guys

Some of you may remember me from a another post asking for some advice about leaving the church. I am in need of some advice again!!! Sorry to be a pain!

It is just that they are not leaving me alone(church), coming to my home e mails, text messages, phone ringing, what I was wondering if they is some ex staff who can tell me the best way to handle this.

I was thinking of just lettting them know that I think it is all a load of false untrue rubbish and I have read loads on the internet. Do you think it would help to meet up (that is what they want to do) and just tell them straight. At the moment I think they don't understand why reasons for leaving and think it is to do with being PTS.

Anyone ???? thank you
 

Robert H

Patron
The best thing you can do is ask for a Refund/Repayment. The moment you do that, they leave you alone like crazy. I haven't had a call in a very long time. I even managed to get all the mails and E-Mails to stop.

On any other communications, if I do receive anything from anyone, I handle it with total Affinity, and make an effort to get that person out of Scientology. If they want to open a communication to me, they are welcome. I will try and be real for that person, and talk about what is real for them. Sow the seed of doubt. They already know that things are not the way they should be, I just strengthen that.

You just have to do that a few times, and the Morg will realise that you are bad news, and people will be briefed not to talk to you. You will probably get a bit of ethics or OSA crap on your lines. But there is nothing like a good SP Declare to keep them off your backs for good.
 

Lurker5

Gold Meritorious Patron
DO NOT MEET

Do Not Meet Up. No, :no: :nope: :nono:
Keep your gloves up - long distance. :boxing:
They just want to confuse and trap you :ball: - and they are good at it. :fencing: :conspiracy:

It is all :bs: :horse: Stay away - and depending on how you want to end it, ask for refund, or tell them what you really think - or both. But do not meet with anyone.
 

xyz1000

Patron
Thats good advice thank you. I was thinking if people could leave alittle of their experience of how they got the church to stop comm with them it would be helpful thanks again.
 

Arthur Dent

Silver Meritorious Patron
No, do not meet with them. Every time you open your mouth you invite MORE from them, no matter what it is you are saying. The ONLY thing that will communicate to them is NO communication. IGNORE them. Delete the texts, put their phone numbers that they use in your cell so you know when they are calling and let it go to voice mail. Then simply delete their messages. If they come to your door either ignore them or send them a text saying that is not welcome and please don't come to my home. That way it is on record.

If you do open your door, DO NOT LET THEM IN. You can be polite and say you have an appointment, sorry and CLOSE the door!

Have caller ID on your home phone and just do not respond to their calls.

The contact will lessen and you will put distance between them and you.
Ignore the letters or simply don't open and mark them return to sender.
I guess you could write a letter saying you are no longer interested and to please not contact you by phone, email, post or coming to your house and send it registered so you know they got it.

But really, my advice is don't talk to them. It is an invitation to never stop talking to them.

That's all I've got!
 

Lurker5

Gold Meritorious Patron
IF

IF they come to your place of residence, do not let them in, ask them to leave, and if they do not IMMEDIATELY leave, inform them you are calling the police, close the door, and call the f'g police.
 

MrNobody

Who needs merits?
Hi Guys

Some of you may remember me from a another post asking for some advice about leaving the church. I am in need of some advice again!!! Sorry to be a pain!

It is just that they are not leaving me alone(church), coming to my home e mails, text messages, phone ringing, what I was wondering if they is some ex staff who can tell me the best way to handle this.

I was thinking of just lettting them know that I think it is all a load of false untrue rubbish and I have read loads on the internet. Do you think it would help to meet up (that is what they want to do) and just tell them straight. At the moment I think they don't understand why reasons for leaving and think it is to do with being PTS.

Anyone ???? thank you

Not an ex-staffer, not an ex at all, just a critic here. So I can only give you my personal point of view, which is to a significant extent based on 2nd-hand information.

Persistence is (one of) their weapon(s). They will get only maybe 1 out of hundreds, but they will get one. Please make sure it isn't you.

You'll find people here on ESMB who have successfully managed to leave the cult several decades ago, and they still get all this mass mail and email junk, regular invitations to events, phone calls and all that crap. I would advise against meeting any of the handlers personally, because they are usually very skilled. It's their job to turn you around. Also they don't shy away from invading your personal space in any way, shape or form they deem fit. Don't give them that.

I hope someone with some personal experience will chime in on this thread and can be more helpful.

Anyway, you aren't a pain at all, you're asking a (IMO) very important question, and you aren't the 1st one asking it here.

ps: Some have reported that reciting the OT III story worked for them, but I guess it depends who you are dealing with.

EDIT
OK, while I was typing, everything and more has already been said - better than I could have said it. :lol:
 
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Meccaanon

Patron
Hi Guys

Some of you may remember me from a another post asking for some advice about leaving the church. I am in need of some advice again!!! Sorry to be a pain!

It is just that they are not leaving me alone(church), coming to my home e mails, text messages, phone ringing, what I was wondering if they is some ex staff who can tell me the best way to handle this.

I was thinking of just lettting them know that I think it is all a load of false untrue rubbish and I have read loads on the internet. Do you think it would help to meet up (that is what they want to do) and just tell them straight. At the moment I think they don't understand why reasons for leaving and think it is to do with being PTS.

Anyone ???? thank you

Never meet or speak with them on their terms. They have exactly three goals when speaking to an ex member. 1, get all of your money, 2, prevent you from leaving and (3) if you do leave, keep you from talking about the cult - ever.

They have no other agenda.

I you are OK with any or all of the three goals on their agenda, then by all means talk to them. If you value your freedom, your true freedom. That which you were born with then walk away an never look back. If they owe you money, get a damn good lawyer and sue them. Don't agree to anything, don't sign anything, don't listen to them. They do not have your best interests at heart. Always remember that and welcome back to reality!
 

Freeminds

Bitter defrocked apostate
I think everything that has been said already is good advice.

I'd also suggest using your phone or a compact camera to shoot video any time they approach you. Don't wait for it to get weird: shoot that video from the moment they begin and say you're "not interested in anything they have to say."

That's powerful evidence, if any is needed, for example in a harassment case. Dedicated Scientology victims have a very poor grasp of what constitutes 'acceptable and reasonable' in the real world, and they can be relied upon to footbullet themselves. If it's a funny footbullet, immortalize them on YouTube: if it's a scary weird footbullet, you might involve the law.

You know how you always think of something good to say, afterwards? You can comment videos and point out obvious lies, at your leisure.

Change your telephone number, or at least get caller ID, but don't discourage their postal crap. The Church of Scientology's incontinence when it comes to direct mail is one of the main reasons why they can't pay their staff, nor provide heating, air con or toilet paper in the orgs. With every letter they send you, they hasten their demise. If you want to have some fun, forward junk mail to an org of your choice.

Also, stay in touch with us. You are not alone.
 

MafiaWog

Patron
Document it all.

Depends on just how much... hate to use the word,leverage they may have on you (family still in,etc.) What everyone has suggested are all good ideas, especially the photo/videos part. I'd just add one more thing- start a diary or journal of every time they contact you, tell them as bluntly as possible to leave you alone and make a note of what date you told them this. And keep a log.

Stepping it up involves recording any phone Calla you have with them (let them know as soon as you answer that you're recording and get them to state they are aware of this- better just not to talk to then at all!). Record any voicemails they leave and archive them somewhere safe. It coverage your ass, makes them nervous, and can be essential if things go as far as a restraining order or legal action for harassment/potential extortion charges.

Above all, be strong and remember the two magic words: FUCK 'EM!
 

Captain Koolaid

Patron Meritorious
I'm also just an outsider/critic, but I suggest you should have some fun. Can you alter your voice? The next time they call answer "This is Dr. (insert name)." When they ask for you, tell them that Mr./Mrs...(you) is suffering from PTSD or something because of Scientology and you're a psychiatrist helping Mr./Mrs...(you) to recover. That should freak them out. Or you do something else, like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdxYfYegQSQ

On the other hand, if you can't afford to piss them off (because of family still in or something else), don't do it. The most important thing is to stay away.
 

Auditor's Toad

Clear as Mud
2 roads

1 road is if you are VERY well trained in their stuff and have a thick hide you can make an attempt to get out of the cult whatever person talks to you.
This is a perilous road as they send very persistent people out.

2 resign yourself to getting mail all your life and after you move mail will still come to that address even if the house burns down. They are going to skip trace when you move and keep mailing to you.

What to do is have some fun. In some of those mailers are PREPAID FIRST CLASS MAIL RETURN ENVELOPES. Send one back empty it costs 'em 44 cents to get it back. Put an old spark plug in the envelope? Couple of bucks to get it back. I didn't say mail 'em a brick did I- LOL !

Phone calls - just whisper to the caller you know they want to blow, that is why they are calling, you will help them, etc, etc. Or relay some facts about Hubbie or DM. Ask where Shelly is. Ask where Heber is.
Tell 'em you want every cent you ever spent with back today or you are calling the new chanel... whatever. Take OT 3 data with 'em.

If they show up at your door call 911, tell 911 there are people in weird uniforms at your door and you "fear for your life ", If you talk to 'em do it through the door and only tell them " Go away you are scaring me. I'm freakin out. Go away " When you cops show up go " Uh, I forgot to mention to you I called for help when I saw you coming up the walk1"

Do NOT go in the org. If you meet them do it in a public place with an escort and a camera person to video everything.

You can either convert them out of the church or put the police on 'em.

If you have yard sprinklers on remote that is a nice touch.

Boat air horn in the phone is a tad nasty.

Once you get theri e mail addy you can put 'em on auto delete
( Note to lurkers : serious mistake to give those bastards your e mail addy or your cel phone number - you will live to regret it if you do !)

You have to make them want to not have anything to do with you - you have to seem CRAZY or enturbulitive or a legal FLAP and be a nightmare they dread having around.
 

AnonKat

Crusader
mask

buy a guy fawkes mask and pin it on your front door

Hi Guys

Some of you may remember me from a another post asking for some advice about leaving the church. I am in need of some advice again!!! Sorry to be a pain!

It is just that they are not leaving me alone(church), coming to my home e mails, text messages, phone ringing, what I was wondering if they is some ex staff who can tell me the best way to handle this.

I was thinking of just lettting them know that I think it is all a load of false untrue rubbish and I have read loads on the internet. Do you think it would help to meet up (that is what they want to do) and just tell them straight. At the moment I think they don't understand why reasons for leaving and think it is to do with being PTS.

Anyone ???? thank you
 

Wisened One

Crusader
Hi again, xyz: I'm an Ex-Staff and used to have to call and bug people to death (mainly 'new' people).

Simply IGNORE the calls, do NOT answer the door, do NOT engage in any kind of long conversations with them. They will do their very best to 'handle' and 'recover' you. And they honestly 'care' for you, btw. Most Staff 'really' want to 'save your soul and eternity' so to speak.

THAT is the best thing you can do. You could change your phone numbers, it may help for at least a little while. Change it to an unlisted and private number and ONLY give it to TRUSTED PERSONAL FAMILY AND NON-SCN FRIENDS!!

I used to HATE calling all the poor new people over and over again to get them in....jeeeeez. :no: :duh:
 

Sharone Stainforth

Silver Meritorious Patron
I just don't answer the phone, unless I can tell who's calling. The last time I picked up the phone when it rang was because I was expecting a call. The caller did not speak for some time, and when they did they said "Oh, thought you were laughing at yourself" and then clicked off.

Needless to say they did not leave a number.

Freaky woman obviously has serious mental health issues. I did not get a chance to answer, but if I had I would recommend they contact the International Justice Chief whom I gather is the only terminal for Suppressive Persons.

You can't make this shit up, but Scientology obviously can.
 

Outethicsofficer

Silver Meritorious Patron
Well I was in the SO and the MAA then DIR I&R...just call the police and make a complaint because you feel harassed. Contact a solicitor and send a Cease and Desist letter, anything like this will cause them to spit you out of their mouths, write a letter to your local newspaper and express your concerns about the harassment you feel is directed at you.

You either become a particle they won't want or put up with their continued attempts at recovery. The slave Master always wants the slave back who walked away, and will go to lengths to get them but if the slave master found the slave was unacceptable to have around they will get rid of them.

Get yourself declared an SP, there are a whole raft of things you can do to bring that one off.

A link for you referencing the policy on sources of trouble:

http://www.suppressiveperson.org/sp/archives/459


Write a letter of resignation and post on a blog somewhere with a link to ESMB and elsewhere for all to read and let the church know where to go to look for it. This solution is only limited by any power you still grant them to have over you...they are straw men and women in a rather tacky simulation of a sailor uniform. They seem easier to look at if you imagine them naked and painted pink! That one works for me.

Just pick one or two of these and get it done.


James
 
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jenni with an eye

Silver Meritorious Patron
do NOT engage in any kind of long conversations with them. They will do their very best to 'handle' and 'recover' you. And they honestly 'care' for you, btw. Most Staff 'really' want to 'save your soul and eternity' so to speak.

This is the best piece of advice. :yes:

They are not interested in what you have to say.

They are only interested in 'handling' you by their standards not yours.

You do not have to 'justify' or explain your reasons for any decision you make.

The only answer to any question asked by a scio is yes or no. Any other answer will invite 'their' opinion and we all know what that opinion is.

If they knock on the door do not let them in. Tell them these words "I'm no longer a scientologist" ... nothing more, nothing less and close the door.
:)
 

La La Lou Lou

Crusader
When they call say...'' Just a moment, she'll be so happy you called, I'll go and get her, who did you say was calling?''

Put the phone down and carry on watching the tv, or go shopping.

You could also have a one sided conversation, shout out ''there's a phone call, for you...no it's one one of those scientologists....no you tell the cow to go to hell, I don't want to speak to her....I know they're horrible, I told you that years ago and you wouldn't listen to me....no I didn't tell her you were a psychiatrist, you told me not to, remember.....''


In short enjoy the experience. Play.
 

Infinite

Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller
buy a guy fawkes mask and pin it on your front door

^^^THIS

Plus, invest in a camera, open the door next time they knock, record the conversation and tell them they are going to be on Youtube + post it up = profit. Remember, the only power they have over you is the power you give them. Take some back. Let your friends and neighbours know what's going on - that you are being stalked by a cult - and ask them to help keep an eye out for you. Lodge a complaint with the police - it may not go anywhere, but it will be on record. And, as has already been mentioned: DOCUMENT EVERYTHING.
 
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