E-meter confusion

[Div6]

It is the RASOOT lectures.

I understand the significance of low TA but not how it works in terms of masses/resistance/meter.

Do I need to get hung up on it? No.
Do I like to know how things work? Yes.
Does it sow a doubt in my mind as to the validity of using TA as a pc indicator? Yes, some.

I looked it over last night....

"Where were you last doing well with this material?"

 

[Tanstaafl]

I looked it over last night....

"Where were you last doing well with this material?"

Don't panic - I spotted an MU.

So, what's a "thetan"?

 

[Ralph Hilton]

I'm trying to recall what is on the Class VIII lectures concerning this. Something about inherent problems with holding the insulated cans in one hand. Anyone remember?

Its in tape 11.
However, the Mk 5 E-meter had quite a poorly designed input circuit which caused sluggish sensitivity at high TA. From my own tests that is the cause of difficulties with solo cans.
Using a better input circuit the meter works fine with solo electrodes and even fingertip electrodes.
http://www.ralphhilton.org/emeter/Mk4.htm shows the circuit diagram.

 

[Tanstaafl]

Its in tape 11.
However, the Mk 5 E-meter had quite a poorly designed input circuit which caused sluggish sensitivity at high TA. From my own tests that is the cause of difficulties with solo cans.
Using a better input circuit the meter works fine with solo electrodes and even fingertip electrodes.
http://www.ralphhilton.org/emeter/Mk4.htm shows the circuit diagram.

Thanks for clarifying that Ralph.

 

[programmer_guy]

Though a person with dry, calloused hands was not considered a High TA type pc. It was just, add more cream. That was all.

When I was a sup on staff, I once word cleared a student on HSDC when even hand cream did NOT work (he worked in a chem lab). So I put him on foot plates and this worked much better.

 

[Ralph Hilton]

I've done tests on foot plates with cans connected aswell using 2 meters. They miss a lot of reads.

 

[gomorrhan]

I've done tests on foot plates with cans connected aswell using 2 meters. They miss a lot of reads.

Interesting. Would it be possible to test if the same thing happened putting fingertip leads on one hand and a solo can in the other? I'd be interested to see a side-by-side comparison of which was more responsive.

On perhaps a different topic, I've been discussing with many people, over the years, the importance of the meter. I continue to see it as very important if you are using correction lists, less so with many other processes, but probably most useful while addressing withholds or other highly suppressed case, including suppressed goals.

Have you ever audited much without a meter, and what are your thoughts with regard to this?

 

[Pierrot]

I've done tests on foot plates with cans connected aswell using 2 meters. They miss a lot of reads.

Hi Ralph,

years ago I've heard someone experimenting with a "bilateral" (?) meter - 2 sets of solo cans running into 2 different circuits, differentiating thus the left/right body reads.

Your take on this?

Just curious ;-)

 

[gomorrhan]

Hi Ralph,

years ago I've heard someone experimenting with a "bilateral" (?) meter - 2 sets of solo cans running into 2 different circuits, differentiating thus the left/right body reads.

Your take on this?

Just curious ;-)

Sounds like the "Bilateral Ability Meter" put out by Ability Meters International. For the record, I had one of their meters (not the bilateral one), and it was a crackerjack meter according to those who checked it out for me (two top meter tech/creators).

I'm pretty sure that the only applications developed, so far, for the bilateral ability meter, are those created by Peter Shepherd (http://www.trans4mind.com/). His work is extremely interesting, because he ties clearing, especially biofeedback assisted clearing, in with what is happening in the nervous system, which communicates well to psychologists and psychiatrists, and so doesn't seem alien to wider society (imagine the irony of that statement). His explanation of how the meter works is the best I've ever seen, the most historically accurate, and one day I would like to do his courses.

 

[Ralph Hilton]

Interesting. Would it be possible to test if the same thing happened putting fingertip leads on one hand and a solo can in the other? I'd be interested to see a side-by-side comparison of which was more responsive.

On perhaps a different topic, I've been discussing with many people, over the years, the importance of the meter. I continue to see it as very important if you are using correction lists, less so with many other processes, but probably most useful while addressing withholds or other highly suppressed case, including suppressed goals.

Have you ever audited much without a meter, and what are your thoughts with regard to this?

The fingertip electrodes and solo cans show falls the same. The solo cans don't respond as fast on rises.
I use a meter for auditing as it gives added perception. A lot of auditors over use it and treat it as a fortune telling machine rather auditing the PC.

 

[Ralph Hilton]

Hi Ralph,

years ago I've heard someone experimenting with a "bilateral" (?) meter - 2 sets of solo cans running into 2 different circuits, differentiating thus the left/right body reads.

Your take on this?

Just curious ;-)

I can't really see the point of it for auditing.

 

[gomorrhan]

The fingertip electrodes and solo cans show falls the same. The solo cans don't respond as fast on rises.
I use a meter for auditing as it gives added perception. A lot of auditors over use it and treat it as a fortune telling machine rather auditing the PC.

Well, as usual, you seem to have the right balance. That's how I would use my meter, if I were really trained in it's use. Instead, I use it as a nice book-end. What really amuses me is that no one ever notices the thing when they come over. My attention would immediately go to it as an odd-looking gadget, if I were visiting and didn't know what it was.

Do you find that fingertip electrodes surprise the pc, or attract their attention, more than the cans? BTW, I like the way you put that: added perception. That is exactly how I see it, as a different "perceptic": another indicator, and one that people haven't had training suppressing, typically, such that it is often more telling than facial expression or body posture, although the eyes and the person's focus of attention are actually pretty much failsafe: if they are introverted on case, I can always tell. If they are present, I can always tell. In between? Keep rolling with the process, and if the process is bogged, check rudiments. I see it as most useful for detecting the person going out of session on missed withholds or suppressed charge. Definitely very useful for assessments. I can't imagine tackling AGPMs without one: strikes me as a good way to bypass a lot of charge!

 

[nw2394]

Do you find that fingertip electrodes surprise the pc, or attract their attention, more than the cans?

They work fine solo. Certainly more comfortable to use than a pair of solo cans held in one hand.

Ralph uses regular cans for one on one auditing, unless the PC is a gesticulator, in which case finger tip ones get used as they are a good deal less prone to read on body movement. Also, should the PC go somewhat anaten in a long session, there is no tendency to loosen the grip with finger tip electrodes.

Nick

 

[Ralph Hilton]

Wot Nick sed.