Eeek!! OSA Bogeyman Bill Yaude...

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Voltaire's Child

Fool on the Hill
When I was first on a.r.s. in 1998, which is how I got into the critic's scene (and I just know each and every single one of you is so glad I did, right?) I remember seeing posts from a few church members. A couple- Erin, wgert and I think GunBunny, were clearly OSA. It was obvious even to me then. And a few others were just earnest true believers as I was then, I believe.

One person I remember was MikeSmith3. At the time, I thought he was just a church member, like me, who was there on his own, posting happily. He and I even exchanged some emails and he assured me he was there on his own. Later, come to find out from Tory, he turned out to be Bill Yaude. Well, why would he lie? Cuz he's OSA. That's why he'd lie. I mean, it's not like someone who's with them is going to want to disclose that.

But what I liked were his hilarious posts. MikeSmith3 had a good sense of humor. He didn't do any harm by his posts. Frankly, I wish all OSA operatives were like that. It's not like OSA accomplishes anything by any of their more hostile posts or their sporge attempts. I remember one time, after some PI bust in on Bob Minton and Stacy Brooks, who were on Minton's private property in his swimming pool, MikeSmith3 wrote a hilarious post about Minton and his shotgun and expressed interest in the fate of Stacy's cats. Now, that shit was FUNNY.

Over the years, I've seen several posts holding Bill Yaude up as some kind of bogeyman cuz he's with OSA. Shit, that guy is just a true believer toiling away there at OSA Int. He's obviously a bit smarter than the average bear, but so what. He ran some ops- but did it really slow down the critic's scene any? No. It probably gave it more fuel, than anything else. A lot of things- including Tory's departure from CofS- resulted in whole or in part from Yaude's efforts.

In the end, the OSA ops have done very little to hurt critics or the critic's scene. I sometimes wonder if OSA personnel and affiliated operatives aren't really subconsciously sabotaging their own efforts- because they're THAT ineffective.

I've found that quite a few of the critics who scream "OSA OSA!" at and about other critics the loudest are the ones who used to work for or with OSA when they were in CofS. And I think that when they post things like that, that they are at least as damaging to the critic's scene as anyone out there at OSA Int in LA.

So, really. Don't bring up Bill Yaude as this bogeyman around me if you don't want to be challenged, particularly when it's in conjunction with a remark about other forum contributors who wouldn't know the guy if they fell over him. :duh::eyeroll:
 

olska

Silver Meritorious Patron
I met Bill Yaude in real life back in L.A. long before the internet was even a gleam in anyone's eyes, and before DM took over.

Yaude was a "power player" and a slimy sleazeball who fucked over some other people I knew on a real estate deal and then got protection from the "church" when the matter was brought up on church "justice" lines because he was considered an "upstat."

All that had nothing to do with him being "OSA" or his nics and writings on message boards, about which I could not care less. He's not a bogeyman -- he is/was just a sort-of-good-looking and charming untrustworthy snake.

YMMV
 

Pooks

MERCHANT OF CHAOS
So, really. Don't bring up Bill Yaude as this bogeyman around me if you don't want to be challenged, particularly when it's in conjunction with a remark about other forum contributors who wouldn't know the guy if they fell over him. :duh::eyeroll:

Challenging an EX or another critic is doing OSA's work!!! Or at least some people think that.

You already know how I feel about this. I think the "doing OSA's work" type claims are used to silence those of us that think it's fine to call someone out or dare to disagree with them, even if they are a popular critic or EX.
 
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Mick Wenlock

Admin Emeritus (retired)
well fluffygirl - I do remember your arrival on ARS - I thought wgert was a little before your time but, honestly, its all a bit hazy...

There have been two, and only two, pro Cofs posters that I have respected - you (take a bow) and andy milne.

You because it was obvious that though you were mired in some of the mindset you were trying to be open and engaging. It was sad in a way cos all of us on there knew you were going to get clipped for it.

And andy Milne because he never tried to disguise who he was - he was OSA and said so. I do not care if someone is OSA - I just wish they had the courage to actually be up front about it.
 

Auditor's Toad

Clear as Mud
I remember Bill from long ago at CC.

I've learned better than to post unkindly about people so I'll leave it at I have always very studiously avoided him.
 

Veda

Sponsor
Bill Yaude is a manipulator. Expressing "ARC" and being "likable" are part of the collection of characteristics that various identities (all Bill Yaude) possess. Over thirty years after much of Scientology's covert Intelligence tech was made available to the public for photocopying, and fifteen years after use of the Internet became commonplace, many of its tactics are still not well understood.

"Tech is out in Orgs" these days. God help those who haven't yet assembled the Scientological jig saw puzzle, when Miscavige is gone, a new "friendly" and charming leader replaces him, and a new era of Scientology - with "tech in" - commences.
 

Auditor's Toad

Clear as Mud
Bill Yaude is a manipulator. Expressing "ARC" and being "likable" are part of the collection of characteristics that various identities (all Bill Yaude) possess. Over thirty years after much of Scientology's covert Intelligence tech was made available to the public for photocopying, and fifteen years after use of the Internet became commonplace, many of its tactics are still not well understood.

"Tech is out in Orgs" these days. God help those who haven't yet assembled the Scientological jig saw puzzle, when Miscavige is gone, a new "friendly" and charming leader replaces him, and a new era of Scientology - with "tech in" - commences.


True, out of the woodwork will emerge yet another snake -little known to the public- who will take over and continue the scam.

And, as before, the sea org will empower him...just as they did for DM... and just as they did for LRH.

WHoever it is will end up with a pile of money in their pockets.
 

MafiaWog

Patron
This may be oversimplified but I'm not feeling well, so the brain can't do much more than this...

OSA does what? Covert and overt "investigations," and the overt part especially which translates, for most people, to "everything right up to the legal boundaries of harassment, but it's still harassment."
Second, one can often tell the type of person someone is by the company they keep or work with.
And lastly, funny or not, what else was Yaude doing which you, or we, don't know about? So he's the good cop (or appeared so in postings) to the other OSA bad cops. Same orders, different methods.

Perhps when this guy stops being a facade and a part of the mechanism used to _instill fear/compliance/silence in critics_, then he can work on his boogeyman image. Maybe he, and OSA in general appear not to have done the critic scene much damage, but who knows how many potential critics who may not have been as strong or willing to deal with OSA's crap just never spoke up in the first place?

It's not just about silencing one person, it's using them as an example for everyone.
 

Karen#1

Gold Meritorious Patron
Bill Yaude ~~ Declared SP 4 x !!!!!!!

Bill Yaude is one of the few people I know who has been declared a SUPPRESSIVE PERSON by the Church 4 times !
The first time was way back in his Celebrity Center days and the other 3x have been every few years subsequently.


Like a true Blue Scientologist, Bill Yaude has done the A to E STEPS 3x.

What is A to E ????

A to E are sequential steps to be done by a Declared SP to get back in good graces with the Church.

When a person is handed a Golden Rod "Declared Suppressive Person" they are supposed to buckle under and run to do A to E to get back in good graces. In the main, Scientologists who do not want to be disconnected forever from their own children, spouses, fathers, mothers, crawl and propitiate and do A to E.

Except, an SP declare is a Badge of Honor these days and most who get an SP declare spit on the concept of doing an A to E.

A to E are steps approved of by straw man "IJC" ~~ International Justice Chief Mike Ellis who simply routes and rubber stamps issues via OSA to RTC to "Office of COB." He has no authority whatsover. He is a little OSA/RTC puppet.

Here's a little more on what BILL YAUDE did 3x


Step A of A to E
a) Stop committing present time overts !

TRANSLATION : Stop whistle blowing on Miscavige, Stop reading the Internet, Stop pointing out the Vampire culture of gouging Parishioners for their $$$. Stop reporting the abuses, stop being friends with others who read the Internet and might tell you some Truths etc. etc. etc.

Step B of A to E

B1 Publicly announce that you realize that your actions against the Church were ignorant, unfounded and explain your influences and motivations

TRANSLATION.

Humiliate yourself by describing yourself as a deluded lunatic, beat yourself up as the criminal of all time who dared to speak out at Church Corruption......(you get the idea)

B2 Pay all debts to Scientology


TRANSLATION
Pay your illegal scandalous and fraudulent Freeloader Bill, where you illegally pay for worthless courses unusable after you have departed.
Buy your way with intense Reg cycles for BASICS, Library Scam, Ideal Orgs, Super Power Building Scam etc etc.

B3
Submit an Amends Project to IJC suitable and commensurate with the suppressive acts committed......

+++++++++This is where Bill Yaude bought his way out of the Declares. His volunteer work on Alt.religion.scientology and Troll on multiple sites his his never ending LIABILITY and love-fest with OSA to keep him out of his 5th DECLARE

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quote
More on B3
It is also within the power of the "IJC" strawman to require AMENDS over a protracted length of time and to PROVE that the SP has ceased his SUPPRESSIVE actions and created no problems for the Church......


Step C
Re-do training for more $$$$$$$$$$$$ from the lowest point of the Bridge, re-do it all. Pay again at own expense.


Step D and E more IJC stuff.
:lol::lol::lol:
 

Voltaire's Child

Fool on the Hill
well fluffygirl - I do remember your arrival on ARS - I thought wgert was a little before your time but, honestly, its all a bit hazy...

There have been two, and only two, pro Cofs posters that I have respected - you (take a bow) and andy milne.

You because it was obvious that though you were mired in some of the mindset you were trying to be open and engaging. It was sad in a way cos all of us on there knew you were going to get clipped for it.

And andy Milne because he never tried to disguise who he was - he was OSA and said so. I do not care if someone is OSA - I just wish they had the courage to actually be up front about it.

I agree. I wish they would say so.

And re the other thing, yeah, there was a bit o' clippage but it was so very worth it in the end. The critic's scene has brought me so much.
 

Terril park

Sponsor
Bill Yaude is one of the few people I know who has been declared a SUPPRESSIVE PERSON by the Church 4 times !
The first time was way back in his Celebrity Center days and the other 3x have been every few years subsequently.


Like a true Blue Scientologist, Bill Yaude has done the A to E STEPS 3x.

What is A to E ????

A to E are sequential steps to be done by a Declared SP to get back in good graces with the Church.

When a person is handed a Golden Rod "Declared Suppressive Person" they are supposed to buckle under and run to do A to E to get back in good graces. In the main, Scientologists who do not want to be disconnected forever from their own children, spouses, fathers, mothers, crawl and propitiate and do A to E.

Except, an SP declare is a Badge of Honor these days and most who get an SP declare spit on the concept of doing an A to E.

A to E are steps approved of by straw man "IJC" ~~ International Justice Chief Mike Ellis who simply routes and rubber stamps issues via OSA to RTC to "Office of COB." He has no authority whatsover. He is a little OSA/RTC puppet.

Here's a little more on what BILL YAUDE did 3x


Step A of A to E
a) Stop committing present time overts !

TRANSLATION : Stop whistle blowing on Miscavige, Stop reading the Internet, Stop pointing out the Vampire culture of gouging Parishioners for their $$$. Stop reporting the abuses, stop being friends with others who read the Internet and might tell you some Truths etc. etc. etc.

Step B of A to E

B1 Publicly announce that you realize that your actions against the Church were ignorant, unfounded and explain your influences and motivations

TRANSLATION.

Humiliate yourself by describing yourself as a deluded lunatic, beat yourself up as the criminal of all time who dared to speak out at Church Corruption......(you get the idea)

B2 Pay all debts to Scientology


TRANSLATION
Pay your illegal scandalous and fraudulent Freeloader Bill, where you illegally pay for worthless courses unusable after you have departed.
Buy your way with intense Reg cycles for BASICS, Library Scam, Ideal Orgs, Super Power Building Scam etc etc.

B3
Submit an Amends Project to IJC suitable and commensurate with the suppressive acts committed......

+++++++++This is where Bill Yaude bought his way out of the Declares. His volunteer work on Alt.religion.scientology and Troll on multiple sites his his never ending LIABILITY and love-fest with OSA to keep him out of his 5th DECLARE

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quote
More on B3
It is also within the power of the "IJC" strawman to require AMENDS over a protracted length of time and to PROVE that the SP has ceased his SUPPRESSIVE actions and created no problems for the Church......


Step C
Re-do training for more $$$$$$$$$$$$ from the lowest point of the Bridge, re-do it all. Pay again at own expense.


Step D and E more IJC stuff.
:lol::lol::lol:

More revelatory material.

You are one of those who keeps on giving.

I'm very sorry for Bill Yaudes plight. Might he be here with us soon?

I love Karen, and can't conceive of why anyone here dosn't.:)
 

Panda Termint

Cabal Of One
It's nothing personal, it's just that Bill knows much of the truth about scientology and yet continues to play at defending the indefensible. Isn't this true?
 
When I was first on a.r.s. in 1998, which is how I got into the critic's scene (and I just know each and every single one of you is so glad I did, right?) I remember seeing posts from a few church members. A couple- Erin, wgert and I think GunBunny, were clearly OSA. It was obvious even to me then. And a few others were just earnest true believers as I was then, I believe.

One person I remember was MikeSmith3. At the time, I thought he was just a church member, like me, who was there on his own, posting happily. He and I even exchanged some emails and he assured me he was there on his own. Later, come to find out from Tory, he turned out to be Bill Yaude. Well, why would he lie? Cuz he's OSA. That's why he'd lie. I mean, it's not like someone who's with them is going to want to disclose that.

But what I liked were his hilarious posts. MikeSmith3 had a good sense of humor. He didn't do any harm by his posts. Frankly, I wish all OSA operatives were like that. It's not like OSA accomplishes anything by any of their more hostile posts or their sporge attempts. I remember one time, after some PI bust in on Bob Minton and Stacy Brooks, who were on Minton's private property in his swimming pool, MikeSmith3 wrote a hilarious post about Minton and his shotgun and expressed interest in the fate of Stacy's cats. Now, that shit was FUNNY.

Over the years, I've seen several posts holding Bill Yaude up as some kind of bogeyman cuz he's with OSA. Shit, that guy is just a true believer toiling away there at OSA Int. He's obviously a bit smarter than the average bear, but so what. He ran some ops- but did it really slow down the critic's scene any? No. It probably gave it more fuel, than anything else. A lot of things- including Tory's departure from CofS- resulted in whole or in part from Yaude's efforts.

In the end, the OSA ops have done very little to hurt critics or the critic's scene. I sometimes wonder if OSA personnel and affiliated operatives aren't really subconsciously sabotaging their own efforts- because they're THAT ineffective.

I've found that quite a few of the critics who scream "OSA OSA!" at and about other critics the loudest are the ones who used to work for or with OSA when they were in CofS. And I think that when they post things like that, that they are at least as damaging to the critic's scene as anyone out there at OSA Int in LA.

So, really. Don't bring up Bill Yaude as this bogeyman around me if you don't want to be challenged, particularly when it's in conjunction with a remark about other forum contributors who wouldn't know the guy if they fell over him. :duh::eyeroll:

Are you DA-ing ".....a few of the critics who scream "OSA OSA!" ...." ?
And are you DA-ing people who not like your own favorite OSA goons?
And are you DA-ing ".....few of the critics who scream "OSA OSA!" at and about other critics the loudest ...... who used to work for or with OSA when they were in CofS.?

Is this Give OSA a Cuddle Day?
 

GoNuclear

Gold Meritorious Patron
what would be left?

Bill Yaude is a manipulator. Expressing "ARC" and being "likable" are part of the collection of characteristics that various identities (all Bill Yaude) possess. Over thirty years after much of Scientology's covert Intelligence tech was made available to the public for photocopying, and fifteen years after use of the Internet became commonplace, many of its tactics are still not well understood.

"Tech is out in Orgs" these days. God help those who haven't yet assembled the Scientological jig saw puzzle, when Miscavige is gone, a new "friendly" and charming leader replaces him, and a new era of Scientology - with "tech in" - commences.

I don't see DM leaving very much for whoever succeeds him. He will not leave the SO reserves without looting them as much as possible, plus Scientology as a brand name is simply not economically viable at this point, the overhead to maintain all of that prime real estate is considerable, their payroll would be pretty damn big in the event that they had to pay minimum and comply with overtime regs should they stay with the statutory definition of "employment" (by inviting the govt. in as a third party to their contracts with their sea ogres via use of socialist slavestate numbers, making them at least potentially liable for minimum wage, OSHA regs, maternity leave, etc.) Furthermore, short of a stroke, heart attack, being hit by a bolt of lightning, etc. DM will cause such an enormous stink upon leaving that the Cof$ will be hit by a Catagory 5 shitstorm of bad PR, worse than anything it has previously weathered. As I see it, DM's replacement will be some court appointed hack who will be brought in to sort things out, and, it will NOT be business as usual ... the facade will collapse, assets will be sold off, and if there is anything that goes on after that it will be well splintered.

Pete
 
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