Eeek!! OSA Bogeyman Bill Yaude...

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Karen#1

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Now there was a day and time when the Scientology community was carefully indoctrinated into who the SPs of the planet were ~~

++++All Psychiatrists, Psychologists and Psycho-analysts. Anyone in the field of Mental Health. All of them
++++All Journalists, all media, all networks, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, the deeper SPs (some SPs are deeper than other SPs ~~ Mike Wallace of 60 mins, Anderson Cooper, John Sweeney, Martin Bashir, Joel Sappell and Bob Welkos formerly of the Los Angeles Times ~~
Media includes LA Times, St. Pete Times. BBC publications, Time Magazine, Reader's Digest, anyone who printed something
adverse was deemed a Bad Bad SP.

++++All Government Agencies ESPECIALLY FBI after the 1977 raids, AMA for raiding and confiscating the E meters, the IRS let’s not forget the "International" events that screamed at the depth of SP the IRS had sunk to !!!!!!!!

+++++So how did the IRS flip from being a Deep SP to a good *FRIENDLY* agency ?

$$$$$$$$ Baby, $$$$$$ Show me the money !!!
501C3 Tax exemption makes a deep SP enemy Government Agency NO LONGER an SP. Overnight. Just like that !


Does Money $$$$$ make you SP or not SP ????
:bigcry::bigcry::bigcry::bigcry:

There was a time when SPs were mostly EXTERNAL. Out there. As listed above.
But DM’s Cult in recent decades has indeed turned inward.

Bill Yaude was one of the veteran "Sea Org" members that could not last a few years without another "SP declare."

But now the new breed of SPs are SO Veterans. Especially those who have served decades.
Especially those who have worked for peanuts with SLEEP DEPRIVATION and hard labor on $10 to $20 a week often with only rice and beans.
Especially those who have been punched, beaten and assaulted by Miscavige.

The new definition of SP is those that post on Message Boards, those that read postings by "those Internet SPs"
those who have friends who tell them what the Internet is saying, those that doggedly refuse to stop reading the whistleblowers on the Internet.



Only 9 months ago DM said how GOLD staff up there were a bunch of worthless criminals not worthy of the food they were given or the bed they had to lie on.

True story.

Ahhhhhhh the World of the “Church” of Scientology. Truth is stranger than fiction.

You can’t make this stuff up.
 

GoNuclear

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The IRS

Now there was a day and time when the Scientology community was carefully indoctrinated into who the SPs of the planet were ~~

++++All Psychiatrists, Psychologists and Psycho-analysts. Anyone in the field of Mental Health. All of them
++++All Journalists, all media, all networks, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, the deeper SPs (some SPs are deeper than other SPs ~~ Mike Wallace of 60 mins, Anderson Cooper, John Sweeney, Martin Bashir, Joel Sappell and Bob Welkos formerly of the Los Angeles Times ~~
Media includes LA Times, St. Pete Times. BBC publications, Time Magazine, Reader's Digest, anyone who printed something
adverse was deemed a Bad Bad SP.

++++All Government Agencies ESPECIALLY FBI after the 1977 raids, AMA for raiding and confiscating the E meters, the IRS let’s not forget the "International" events that screamed at the depth of SP the IRS had sunk to !!!!!!!!

+++++So how did the IRS flip from being a Deep SP to a good *FRIENDLY* agency ?

$$$$$$$$ Baby, $$$$$$ Show me the money !!!
501C3 Tax exemption makes a deep SP enemy Government Agency NO LONGER an SP. Overnight. Just like that !

I wish I had the dox in front of me, but it is out there ... some Scilon teleprompter reader boasting on how the Cof$ is validated on being a bonafide religion because the IRS said so! The HubTurd would be rolling over in his grave, except he was cremated with ashes scattered into the sea, so perhaps some poor fish has a really bad case of heartburn now, who knows ... that the HubTurd would have cared one grizzled rat pellet over what the IRS thought.

Meanwhile, part of the deal with the IRS ... in order for someone to even be on lines with Cof$ here in the USA, they have to be a "taxpayer" in good standing, which means participating in socialistic insecurity. Amazing.

Pete
 

Magoo

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Yaude is who he is. When I first posted about him....the very first post was:
"Who is Mike Smith Really?" It's over on Lermanet.com
under the OSA 101 Series, if you ever want to read it.

Here it is: http://www.lermanet.com/cos/toryonosa.htm#WHO IS THE REAL MIKE SMITH? (OSA 101, Part 3)

As I said then, in 2000, and I'll say it here:
IF Bill Yaude sat down to speak with you, or post with you----you would like him, if he was being himself. He's a very nice guy---doing shitty things for OSA, thinking he's helping L. Ron Hubbard and Mankind.

The Fact that you're saying if "anyone" says "OSA" they're whatever....come on. They are who they are. They do what they do.

Disagreeing with each other, and OSA Ops are TOTALLY 2 Different things, as I've explained for 11 years now. A total dog pile, to me, isn't just 'disagreeing". I have no problem with disagreements, if we're talking. Dog piles? Sorry---not my game. There IS a difference.

And Bill? Hope you're coming out soooon. It's time! :omg:

Best to all,

Tory/Magoo
 
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SchwimmelPuckel

Genuine Meatball
Well, since Yaude has been thrown out thrice and gotten back in, he's not a clam.. He's a barnacle!

(credit to Mick for establishing this important principle.)

Besides, Bill Yaude has great value as bogeyman.. Other than that he's not very valuable..

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FrankBooth

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Well, since Yaude has been thrown out thrice


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Voltaire's Child

Fool on the Hill
Are you DA-ing ".....a few of the critics who scream "OSA OSA!" ...." ?
And are you DA-ing people who not like your own favorite OSA goons?
And are you DA-ing ".....few of the critics who scream "OSA OSA!" at and about other critics the loudest ...... who used to work for or with OSA when they were in CofS.?

Is this Give OSA a Cuddle Day?

None of the above. You can always feel free to read the post again, if you'd like.
 

Voltaire's Child

Fool on the Hill
Karen,

Even if CofS weren't a soul sucking cult- which it is- and even if it weren't an organization that should be obliterated- which it also is- this would be a natural reaction to the IRS thing.

According to Scn literature, an SP is anyone who tries to impede Scn. They felt that the IRS, by not granting tax exemption status, was doing just that. Impeding Scn. IOW, getting in the way of what the cult wanted, what Hubbard wanted when he was alive, then, later, what DM wanted. So the cult felt thwarted. Hell, it was thwarted, cuz they weren't getting what they wanted. Ok, so to them, even to rank and file members like I used to be, the IRS was suppressive. Then, later, they came to the arrangement with the IRS. (and, no, before DB or someone rides in bravely and falsely accusing me of being pro cult or something) So to them, that means that the IRS saw reason. Yay, the IRS is now one of the good guys. It's a rather natural and predicatable reaction.
 

AnonyMary

Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
Yaude is who he is. When I first posted about him....the very first post was:
"Who is Mike Smith Really?" It's over on Lermanet.com
under the OSA 101 Series, if you ever want to read it.

Here it is: http://www.lermanet.com/cos/toryonosa.htm#WHO IS THE REAL MIKE SMITH? (OSA 101, Part 3)

As I said then, in 2000, and I'll say it here:
IF Bill Yaude sat down to speak with you, or post with you----you would like him, if he was being himself. He's a very nice guy---doing shitty things for OSA, thinking he's helping L. Ron Hubbard and Mankind.

The Fact that you're saying if "anyone" says "OSA" they're whatever....come on. They are who they are. They do what they do.

Disagreeing with each other, and OSA Ops are TOTALLY 2 Different things, as I've explained for 11 years now. A total dog pile, to me, isn't just 'disagreeing". I have no problem with disagreements, if we're talking. Dog piles? Sorry---not my game. There IS a difference.

And Bill? Hope you're coming out soooon. It's time! :omg:

Best to all,

Tory/Magoo

Some of the best of us has done some of the worst. None of us can escape our past acts. Bill is no exception. Especially to vulnerable public. He may have been seen like a lightweight in the grand OSA arena but he had a big influence on you so that you could aid in doing the OSA dirty deeds. I, myself, participated in missions and projects under OSA with some of the nicest people, believing I was helping. But those people were not really so nice . As OSA people, they meant to destroy the enemy and brought on board anyone they could trust to help do it.

We were all blindsided by the help button being pushed at the expense of integrity and dicernment. We need to call it like it is. That's the only way we get to the truth.

Marty has such a hard time with people who remember. Thing is, we are all accountable and the sooner we are, the better people we become. Seeking the truth, it shall set us free.
 

Magoo

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Good point, Mary.

Fluff:
I just tend to think that the critics who toss around speculations and accusations of OSA affiliation re other critics and/or who use Yaude's ops as examples to support such speculations and accusations are irresponsible.

First off....which post are you referring to, and what year? Secondly: And I think people who support dog piles against people, pretending that has nothing to do with actions I watched Yaude and OSA create, for years, are irresponsible.
Note: That is NOT the same as "disagreements".

Can other people create dog piles? Of course. However, every chance I can get, to educate people on the covert actions of the "Office of Special Affairs" (mafia of C of $) I will. Sorry if that upsets you, Claire.

As I've said for years---I think if we sat in a room together and talked, we'd end up in a different place than on the written page. But then, I could be wrong too--wouldn't be the first time. :omg:

Tory/Magoo
 
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Ladybird

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well fluffygirl - I do remember your arrival on ARS - I thought wgert was a little before your time but, honestly, its all a bit hazy...

There have been two, and only two, pro Cofs posters that I have respected - you (take a bow) and andy milne.

You because it was obvious that though you were mired in some of the mindset you were trying to be open and engaging.

Mick? I am not sure what you are saying here. Claire is not pro-C of S anymore. Andy Milne is likely a bot name who is also long since out.

Who are you "respecting"? What are you respecting them for?
 

AnonyMary

Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
Good point, Mary.

Fluff:


First off....which post are you referring to, and what year? Secondly: And I think people who support dog piles against people, pretending that has nothing to do with actions I watched Yaude and OSA create, for years, are irresponsible.
Note: That is NOT the same as "disagreements".

Can other people create dog piles? Of course. However, every chance I can get, to educate people on the covert actions of the "Office of Special Affairs" (mafia of C of $) I will. Sorry if that upsets you, Claire.

As I've said for years---I think if we sat in a room together and talked, we'd end up in a different place than on the written page. But then, I could be wrong too--wouldn't be the first time. :omg:

Tory/Magoo

That quote of Claire's is to general. Was she referring to you? :omg:
 

Magoo

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Hell if I know...here's what she said:

Over the years, I've seen several posts holding Bill Yaude up as some kind of bogeyman cuz he's with OSA.

"Some kind of bogeyman cuz he's with OSA?"
Sorry---won't waste more time esplain it --I've spent 11 years trying to educate people about covert ops.

Shit, that guy is just a true believer toiling away there at OSA Int. He's obviously a bit smarter than the average bear, but so what. He ran some ops- but did it really slow down the critic's scene any?

Yeah--I guess you're right. So what if he's helped create massive attacks against various active critics, in particular
Gerry Armstrong, who of course OSA is thrilled with those putting him down. We wouldn't be F*** typing here if Gerry hadn't done what he did.
I understand there IS a fine line between education and name calling, and yes, in years past I made mistakes as I believe many of us have.
However, what I explained about how the "Top Secret OSA Int Internet Mafia" (created by OSA, and the volunteers run by Yaude) remains
to this day, and whether you think it's important or not, many others have appreciated learning what they *really* do.

No. It probably gave it more fuel, than anything else. A lot of things- including Tory's departure from CofS- resulted in whole or in part from Yaude's efforts.
Yaude's lies and abuses, yes, helped me in waking up. He wasn't why I left, by a long shot. I agree he's actually helped, in a great way, ASSist in destroying his own "church"---and this is a fact.

In the end, the OSA ops have done very little to hurt critics or the critic's scene. I sometimes wonder if OSA personnel and affiliated operatives aren't really subconsciously sabotaging their own efforts- because they're THAT ineffective.
Yup---Happily they foil themselves, daily. Hence my "Tick tock, Tick tock: Time
is on *our* side!~ :D

I've found that quite a few of the critics who scream "OSA OSA!" at and about other critics the loudest are the ones who used to work for or with OSA when they were in CofS. And I think that when they post things like that, that they are at least as damaging to the critic's scene as anyone out there at OSA Int in LA.

First off, the "critics who scream "OSA OSA!" is a F** OSA program, from way back. Sorry you missed that one, dear.

Secondly, so you're saying I am as bad as OSA Int? That
truly tells me a lot, thank you. I knew that's how you felt..it's taken 11 years for you to finally admit it.

So, really. Don't bring up Bill Yaude as this bogeyman around me

And until you can actually tell me why anyone should not bring up Bill Yaude (with facts, vs name calling)
please don't tell me, or anyone else, who they can and cannot speak to you about.

Bogeyman? That is truly telling.

Tory/Magoo~~You local, friendly SP! :omg:
 
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Mick Wenlock

Admin Emeritus (retired)
Mick? I am not sure what you are saying here. Claire is not pro-C of S anymore. Andy Milne is likely a bot name who is also long since out.

Who are you "respecting"? What are you respecting them for?

I was referring to them on ars LB.

Claire was a pro CofS poster when she appeared - trying to show that a Scientologist was allowed to think for herself - and that had the expected result...

Actually Andy Milne is still in AFAIK and no he was not a bot, I actually knew him when I was in. He posted under his own name.

I respected Claire for trying to be a "real" scientologist and I respected Andy for being open.
 

Ladybird

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I was referring to them on ars LB.

Claire was a pro CofS poster when she appeared - trying to show that a Scientologist was allowed to think for herself - and that had the expected result...

Actually Andy Milne is still in AFAIK and no he was not a bot, I actually knew him when I was in. He posted under his own name.

I respected Claire for trying to be a "real" scientologist and I respected Andy for being open.

You were a "real" scientologist when you started posting Mick. So was I. I don't think you or I are proud of that.

99% of Claire's 30 thousand plus posts are defending and promoting the cult, even after she knew (or shoulda coulda known) the harm and crimes of the cult.

You are a respected critic Mick. Your opinion carries weight whether you want it to or not.
 

Terril park

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Some of the best of us has done some of the worst. None of us can escape our past acts. Bill is no exception. Especially to vulnerable public. He may have been seen like a lightweight in the grand OSA arena but he had a big influence on you so that you could aid in doing the OSA dirty deeds. I, myself, participated in missions and projects under OSA with some of the nicest people, believing I was helping. But those people were not really so nice . As OSA people, they meant to destroy the enemy and brought on board anyone they could trust to help do it.

We were all blindsided by the help button being pushed at the expense of integrity and dicernment. We need to call it like it is. That's the only way we get to the truth.

Marty has such a hard time with people who remember. Thing is, we are all accountable and the sooner we are, the better people we become. Seeking the truth, it shall set us free.

Oh Shit! Another chick I love.
 

AnonyMary

Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
You were a "real" scientologist when you started posting Mick. So was I. I don't think you or I are proud of that.

99% of Claire's 30 thousand plus posts are defending and promoting the cult, even after she knew (or shoulda coulda known) the harm and crimes of the cult.

You are a respected critic Mick. Your opinion carries weight whether you want it to or not.

LB, you are diverting this thread. Claire's past is past. But you knew that.

Oh Shit! Another chick I love.

lol!
 

Ladybird

Silver Meritorious Patron
.Marty has such a hard time with people who remember. Thing is, we are all accountable and the sooner we are, the better people we become. Seeking the truth, it shall set us free.

Good point Mary .


It is not only Marty who has a problem with people who remember, there are plenty of posters around all the boards who pander to newbies and don't want any one around who remembers.
 

AnonyMary

Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
Good point Mary .


It is not only Marty who has a problem with people who remember, there are plenty of posters around all the boards who pander to newbies and don't want any one around who remembers.

Such is the nature of leaving or not scientology.
 
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