Hell if I know...here's what she said:
"Some kind of bogeyman cuz he's with OSA?"
Sorry---won't waste more time esplain it --I've spent 11 years trying to educate people about covert ops.
Yeah--I guess you're right. So what if he's helped create massive attacks against various active critics, in particular
Gerry Armstrong, who of course OSA is thrilled with those putting him down. We wouldn't be F*** typing here if Gerry hadn't done what he did.
I understand there IS a fine line between education and name calling, and yes, in years past I made mistakes as I believe many of us have.
However, what I explained about how the "Top Secret OSA Int Internet Mafia" (created by OSA, and the volunteers run by Yaude) remains
to this day, and whether you think it's important or not, many others have appreciated learning what they *really* do.
Yaude's lies and abuses, yes, helped me in waking up. He wasn't why I left, by a long shot. I agree he's actually helped, in a great way, ASSist in destroying his own "church"---and this is a fact.
Yup---Happily they foil themselves, daily. Hence my "Tick tock, Tick tock: Time
is on *our* side!~
First off, the "critics who scream "OSA OSA!" is a F** OSA program, from way back. Sorry you missed that one, dear.
Secondly, so you're saying I am as bad as OSA Int? That
truly tells me a lot, thank you. I knew that's how you felt..it's taken 11 years for you to finally admit it.
And until you can actually tell me why anyone should not bring up Bill Yaude (with facts, vs name calling)
please don't tell me, or anyone else, who they can and cannot speak to you about.
Bogeyman? That is truly telling.
Tory/Magoo~~You local, friendly SP!
No, they aren't.
I left the cult in 2000 and then started feeling free to publicly criticize it (since I had given up on the idea of staying in whilst being unindoctrinated. It was an impossible dream.), which I did. I've been posting that the cult is non viable and non salvageable and needs to go away for over a decade. For over a decade, I've been decrying the cult's treatment of its members, particularly staff.
I first came on to ARS in 1998 and was a CofS member, then. So that gives a timeframe of roughly 2 years where I was defending them, versus eleven years where I have been doing the opposite. I've been criticized by some Scn'ists, some still in CofS (thinking of some people on Beliefnet who were probably OSA bots or at least PR reps) and some in the FZ for being critical of Hubbard and of CofS in this eleven year period of time.
As I recall you were identifying yourself as a scientologist all those years up until a few months ago. I think you still claim you are a "Natural Clear" and a "Past life OT". You hold yourself up as an expert even though you did basic courses and were only staff for a few months at a mission.
It is ok with me whatever you believe, I just don't like the slippery "I didn't mean what I just said" stuff. Say what you mean and mean what you say.
Call me if you want, you have my #, or come to the chat and we can have a cat fight. I am not going to be intimidated by people complaining about me and trying to get me banned/declared for voicing my opinions. I have just as much of a right to speak my mind as you do.
Mary, you also post your opinions about things here. That's all I was doing. I represented this as my opinion, too, actually.
I have some critic friends who have the same viewpoint as I do on this particular thing. In fact, I was just talking about this with one of them the other night. I've already made it clear that I think that the cult's actions are destructive. It's just that I have also seen comments about other critics made in conjunction with comments about Bill Yaude and/or other OSA phenomena. To the extent that this happens, when it happens, I find that irresponsible. I think that discussion of OSA is extremely relevant and valid. I think that people like Pooks and Tory and quite a few others have really disclosed a lot of valuable information about OSA and other toxic phenomena relating to the cult of Cof$. But I also think that when such commentary appears in a post about other forum contributors that this is not only non sequitur but actually harmful to the critic's scene.
OSA would like to harm the critic's scene. They'd not only like us to stop criticizing, but they'd also like to harm the people who are doing so. They are steeped in malice. But they also have not accomplished anywhere near as much as they'd hoped. When they take a step forward and actually accomplish something, they (almost simultaneously) take about 20 steps backward for every single one of those forward steps. Sometimes it's incompetence. Often it's extremely bad judgement. They misread how the public will react, they misread how their own members will react, they misread how the press will react, and they shoot themselves in the foot constantly. One of the reasons they are ineffective is because many of us know how they work and the reason we do is because of the whistleblowers out there.
But every time a critic attacks someone else while making comparisons to OSA -such as has happened to Dennis Ehrlich, Pooks, Terril and quite a few others, this only serves to discredit the critical movement. And I think it's more harmful than OSA's pathetic efforts, in the long run.
well fluffygirl - I do remember your arrival on ARS - I thought wgert was a little before your time but, honestly, its all a bit hazy...
There have been two, and only two, pro Cofs posters that I have respected - you (take a bow) and andy milne.
You because it was obvious that though you were mired in some of the mindset you were trying to be open and engaging. It was sad in a way cos all of us on there knew you were going to get clipped for it.
And andy Milne because he never tried to disguise who he was - he was OSA and said so. I do not care if someone is OSA - I just wish they had the courage to actually be up front about it.
OSA would not be doing anything to arouse the ire or suspicion of the critics. They would be posting stupid and destructive things IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU, you fool. They would be trying to make this forum duller than ditch dirt and so inane that no rational person would want to read it.
I'm not sure that it was our Andy, Feral.
Maybe Mick will tell us if the Andy Milne he's referring to was an Aussie, I meant to ask.
The open honesty Mick describes would fit so it wouldn't really surprise me if it was, our Andy is quite a character.