Effort to Simplify

[Vinaire]

A good example of "electric shock" to a being would be what Nancy Many describes so eloquently in the first chapter of her book "My Billion Year Contract."

It is the shock to the very beingness of a person. In the above example it was the unexpected and unimaginable betrayal.

A SHOCK would be an unexpected or unintended jolt that one is subjected to. It would be ELECTRIC to the degree it freezes or messes up one's attention, or the ability to create space. A shock may suddenly invalidate all the stable data a person has.

Examples of "electric shock" would be:
(1) Anything that suddenly freezes or messes up one's attention.
(2) Anything that suddenly invalidates a person's deepest stable data.
(3) Anything that affects the very beingness of a person.

Of course, a shock would effect a person's ability to look, observe or think.

One needs a good concept of what electric shock is before running the related GPM on OT II.

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[Vinaire]

Paul,

Is "TOCKY" in Tocky GPM based on the idea of "tick-tock" of the clock?

Vin

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[Vinaire]

It is interesting to see that the most basic foul up in the bank comes from SHOCK, and next foul up comes from TIME.

Of course, this is per L.Ron Hubbard. I still have to establish my own reality.

Did the universe start with a shock?

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[Vinaire]

DM appears to be dramatizing the PSYCHO GPM of OT II, specifically

To Surrender is to Victimize
To Victimize is to Surrender

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[Vinaire]

I find that OT II stuff can be handled much better by Word Clearing combined with Vipassana approach.

Word Clear the following:

SHOCK (both physical and mental)
TIME (associate it with "Sun Swing")
PERSISTENCE (associate it with survival)
SPACE (associate it with interior of a house)

The buttons used in PSYCHO GPM (differentiate between)
--- DIE, LIVE
--- SURRENDER, VICTIMIZE
--- LOSE, WIN
--- DESPAIR, HOPE
--- IGNORANT, KNOWLEDGIBLE
--- STUPID, SMART
--- DISAGREE, AGREE
--- DETEST, GET
--- HURT, ENJOY
--- DISLIKE, LIKE
--- HATE, LOVE
--- HINDER, HELP
--- DISBELIEVE, BELIEVE
--- BEING BAD, BEING GOOD
--- BETRAY, FAITHFUL
--- CRAZY, SANE
--- ABANDON, COLLECT
--- STOP, START

The buttons used in BANKY GPM (differentiate between)
--- EXPERIENCE, CREATE
--- LOOK, RE-ENVISION
--- THINK, RECALL
--- CONCEIVE, REMEMBER
--- SEE, FORGET

And so on...

(Simply experience Vipassana style whatever comes up)

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[Vinaire]

The introduction of any "new desire" may be taken up on the ELECTRICAL GPM as a shock. See the thread OH! GOD!!! around the following post.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=325181&postcount=1499

I don't think Hubbard went this route. He was obsessed with desire, which did him in.

Vedic Philosophy pin points "desire" to be at the root of all entrapment.

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[Vinaire]

Alright! I am finally settling down to check out OT II. Here is how I plan to do it:

(a) I am going to rely on my gut feeling. I don't like to depend on something else, like an e-meter, to tell me how I should feel.

(b) I will clear the End word and the Commamd concept separately.

(c) I would then clear the Command (Command concept + end word).

(d) I shall take up the pair of commands together, such as,
.................. CREATE SHOCK
.................. CREATE NO SHOCK
and make exmples of them until I understand them to my satisfaction. In the above case, I would be making examples of "creating a shock," and "not creating a shock," pretty much alternately, that are real to me. Note: This is the primary approach I used in word clearing.

(e) If any feelings, emotions, efforts, etc. come about I shall simply experience them without resisting them.

(f) If any pictures, thoughts, intentions, etc. come up, I shall be handling them per Idenics techniques.

(g) I won't be using the repeater technique as I don't see any advantage in diving into the bank.

(h) I shall simply be noticing (looking at without computing) whatever response comes up to these commands. If nothing comes then nothing came up.

I hope to go through OT II pretty fast with the above approach. If there is any substance to OT II, I am sure to find out about it.

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[Vinaire]

OT II Session 1, 11/07/09, 45 minutes (Vipassana style)

Focus on “creating” and “not creating” electrical shock

USE DEFINITIONS
SHOCK: Unexpectedness
ELECTRICAL: That spreads throughout the fabric
CREATING: Manifesting, bringing into being

VIPASSANA MEDITATION (Similar to OT TR 0):
(a) Observing (not computing)
(b) Experiencing (not resisting)
(c) Attention (recognizing when it is fixed or dispersed)

ELEMENTS (considerations observed):
(1) Shock to body
(2) Shock to mind
(3) Shock to spirit
•••• Physical shock
•••• Shock of injury
•••• Shock of ailment
>>>>>> Body acting unexpectedly on its own
>>>>>> Shock to the back (spine)

OBSEVATIONS:
(a) A childhood incident of jumping down from a high wall and creating shock to spine…
(b) Appearance of somatic in spine, waking up suddenly (did go anaten, it seems), somatic gone.

FURTHER OBSERVATIONS:
(c) Creation of shock is always unknowing as it is unexpected and unintended.
(d) After one creates a shock (unknowingly) and doesn’t like the experience, then one is careful not to create another shock.
(e) Thus, one’s reach is lessened, and one is put on a withhold.

[To be continued...]

 

[Vinaire]

COMMENTS:

(1) There seem to be nothing special or extraordinary about OT Levels except that,

(a) They seem to be a summation of Hubbard's life work, and Hubbard thought them to be the most effective of all the procedures that he had developed.

(b) Maybe Hubbard thought that these levels had the potential of replacing all lower levels for an average person. Meaning that an average person could start straight on OT I and go from there.

(c) OT I is like "objectives."

(d) OT II is a sequential arrangement of items in the bank. The deepest item is at the beginning. The idea is to go over items in this sequence again and again and get whatever charge is available at each run. Hopefully, one would be able to get charge off deeper and deeper into the bank with each run. This is simply Book I Dianetics refined.


(2) OT Levels are made confidential not because they could be dangerous for a case not set up for them. That is a bogus reason.

(a) OT Levels are dangerous only because of the use of repeater technique. The repeater technique tries to bore to the central core of the case, without unburdening the case layer by layer. This has the liablity that the "unhandled surrounding case" may collapse when the core is bored into.

(b) If the case is addressed layer by layer, as with Vipassana technique, where one unstacks the case in the natural order of the structure in the mind, then there is no liability or danger.


(3) There seem to be no reason to make these levels confidential except for business and marketing reasons.

(a) If these levels are easily available, others may repackage and sell them. This would be the money that won't go to Hubbard.

(b) Others may even improve upon these levels and do better than Hubbard's Scientology. This would hurt Hubbard's business.

(c) Others may sell these levels much cheaply. This would end Hubbard's business if similar or better results were achievable by others.


(4) There seems to be no reason to attach esoteric terminology like "past lives," "trillions of years long time track," "space opera," "implants," "body thetans," etc. to OT Levels. The only reason would be to make it mysterious and attractive from marketing viewpoint.

(a) This esoteric terminology, if not properly understood, actually acts as additives and prevents full gains that can be gotten.

(b) This esoteric terminology, if misunderstood, can actually harm a person's case.


OK, these are my comments for now. I shall continue to examine these OT Levels and will continue to post my comments.

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[smartone]

I can't believe all this discussion regarding Ohtee 3. BTs don't exist. Hello...it's all a big con. Take it from someone who read the Ohtee 3 materials (but not supposed to be "ready" for them yet ) and roared with laughter at the stupidity of it. Plus, I'm still alive and healthy. So lies, more lies Ronny boy. Never met an Ohtee either.

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

I can't believe all this discussion regarding Ohtee 3. BTs don't exist. Hello...it's all a big con. Take it from someone who read the Ohtee 3 materials (but not supposed to be "ready" for them yet ) and roared with laughter at the stupidity of it. Plus, I'm still alive and healthy. So lies, more lies Ronny boy. Never met an Ohtee either.

Ummm ... if you haven't noticed, there is no discussion here, it's just Vinaire talking to himself, everyone else already figured it out.

 

[Veda]

The issue is not "space opera," It's 1) BEING TOLD the contents of ones mind and space, 2) along with (hypnotically) suggestive instructions that are presented as wise and concerned advice. "It's deadly to go past an [already TOLD to you] unreading item [on your e-meter, ie. as a last resort, "make it read,"] "There's a light. You WILL see it," etc., etc.

Scientologists must DUPLICATE this material. If Scientologists are expected to do anything, it is to DUPLICATE the words of L. Ron Hubbard - on whatever part of the "taped path" they are following at the time. THEIR SURVIVAL AND WELL BEING DEPEND ON IT, so they are told. It's very serious for someone actually doing it, and making it through this "no interference zone" (with proper "good indicators" ) is very important to that person.

That this manipulative aspect of 3) this "dangerous" but "vital to your survival" material is overlooked by those under the influence of this material is noteworthy.

This is not about "space opera." I have no problem with "space opera." In fact, I like "space opera." It about 1, 2, and 3 above.

The "Xenu Bridge" is the bait and switch "Bridge," that begins with mainly "asking the person" and becomes mainly "telling the person."

The person is given an e-meter, which will also "tell" him (used as a truth detector), and with his "eternity" in the back (or front) of his mind, begins his trek through the "no interference zone," passing, eventually, through, "The Wall of Fire," and on to "NOTs" (to avoid being sucked into the ancient psych-created "dwindling spiral") and headed for (zowie!) "OT 8" where he'll "discover" that most of his mind, and - in deed - most of the matter of the universe - is composed of degraded "thetans," and that he would soon have been like them if not for L. Ron Hubbard and his "Bridge."

Hubbard had the above Amusement Park Fun House mind-game ride in place, along with having many of the ideas and methods of (his title) the 'Brainwashing manual' in application, for decades. This left an impression that was supposed to last for a long time.

Duplication is a pre-requisite to UNDERSTANDING. I don't think many people understand this material, even a lot of those who have "done" it.

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So?

All the Scientologists strive to "duplicate LRH," but, ultimately, they're "duplicating" gobbledygook.

It must be terribly profound gobbledygook, since no one understands it!

You're endowing this stuff with something that wasn't there in the first place. Hubbard did not have "The Answers." Perhaps Vin can take a look at the phenomena of those who have an emotional need for a religion/system/guru that they know must have "The ANSWERS."

Perhaps it's time, DIV 6, for you to do an in-depth study of the 'Archie' comics series, asking why? oh why? didn't Archie ever bonk Betty or Veronica?

Psst... It's only a comic book.

 

[nexus100]

So?

All the Scientologists strive to "duplicate LRH," but, ultimately, they're "duplicating" gobbledygook.

It must be terribly profound gobbledygook, since no one understands it!

You're endowing this stuff with something that wasn't there in the first place. Hubbard did not have "The Answers." Perhaps Vin can take a look at the phenomena of those who have an emotional need for a religion/system/guru that they know must have "The ANSWERS."

Perhaps it's time for you to do an in-depth study of the 'Archie' comics series, asking why? oh why? didn't Archie ever bonk Betty or Veronica?

Psst... Because it's a comic book.

One might say that duplication takes place through the process of moving into the space of a viewpoint in order to see from the space of that viewpoint. Understanding takes place when one has so occupied, then moves out from that viewpoint to see it in context of one's entire reality. Understanding, therefore, is simply seeing from enough distance to know entirely what one is looking at. It is not seeing the "truth' of anything, it is seeing the viewpoint of something.

Duplication is a bit of an inccurate term in my opinion because it implies there is a process to an action called duplication. One does not "act" in order to duplicate. One moves into a space and looks from there.

This may be splitting hairs I admit. But I have found no Scientology terms that I consider really accurate. Not one. So taking a good hard look at them is a reasonable means of stepping outside that box, my opinion.
And all we are doing to grow is stepping outside where we currently see from.

 

[Vinaire]

One might say that duplication takes place through the process of moving into the space of a viewpoint in order to see from the space of that viewpoint. Understanding takes place when one has so occupied, then moves out from that viewpoint to see it in context of one's entire reality. Understanding, therefore, is simply seeing from enough distance to know entirely what one is looking at. It is not seeing the "truth' of anything, it is seeing the viewpoint of something.

Duplication is a bit of an inccurate term in my opinion because it implies there is a process to an action called duplication. One does not "act" in order to duplicate. One moves into a space and looks from there.

This may be splitting hairs I admit. But I have found no Scientology terms that I consider really accurate. Not one. So taking a good hard look at them is a reasonable means of stepping outside that box, my opinion.
And all we are doing to grow is stepping outside where we currently see from.

Moving into the “space of a viewpoint,” seems to be the same as “moving into a viewpoint.”

Space is “viewpoint of dimension.” Thus, “space” and “viewpoint” are interchangeable. Viewpoint is NOT a point in space. Viewpoint is the entire space. A point is space would be a “dimension point.”

Duplication has to do with gaining familiarity with all the dimension points of a viewpoint. One cannot grasp the viewpoint fully until and unless one gains familiarity with all the dimension points of its space.

Yesterday, I was trying to get this child to understand a word and its meaning. The child stutters and cannot control his attention. I ended up getting the child to repeat the sounds of the word, and the sounds of the phrase describing its meaning as nothing seems to be registering with him. The idea here was to get him to duplicate the sound and then, hopefully, he will be able to attach meaning to those sounds in the process.

Duplication is the process employed to help move into a space. A normal person may do it in a blink of an eye. But some may have to work at it.

Understanding relates to viewpoint, and hence to “occupying a viewpoint,” or viewing from that viewpoint.

If a viewpoint is as-ised, the “understanding” is as-ised along with it. Beyond all viewpoints is BRAHMA.

“Knowledge,” “understanding,” “viewpoint,” “space,” “time,” etc. are all impermanent.

neti… neti…

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[Vinaire]

From Swami Vivekananda:

Just as every action that emanates from us comes back to us as reaction, even so our actions may act on other people and theirs on us. Perhaps all of you have observed it as a fact that when persons do evil actions, they become more and more evil, and when they begin to do good, they become stronger and stronger and learn to do good at all times. This intensification of the influence of action cannot be explained on any other ground than that we can act and react upon each other. To take an illustration from physical science, when I am doing a certain action, my mind may be said to be in a certain state of vibration; all minds which are in similar circumstances will have the tendency to be affected by my mind. If there are different musical instruments tuned alike in one room, all of you may have noticed that when one is struck, the others have the tendency to vibrate so as to give the same note. So all minds that have the same tension, so to say, will be equally affected by the same thought. Of course, this influence of thought on mind will vary according to distance and other causes, but the mind is always open to affection. Suppose I am doing an evil act, my mind is in a certain state of vibration, and all minds in the universe, which are in a similar state, have the possibility of being affected by the vibration of my mind. So, when I am doing a good action, my mind is in another state of vibration; and all minds similarly strung have the possibility of being affected by my mind; and this power of mind upon mind is more or less according as the force of the tension is greater or less.

 

[Vinaire]

It is interesting to contemplate on "BE SHOCK" as part of OT II.

It reminds me of a "suicide bomber" for some reason.

Can one's LOOK be a shock perhaps? People seem to know when one is looking at their back when at, say, some airport lounge.

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[nexus100]

Moving into the “space of a viewpoint,” seems to be the same as “moving into a viewpoint.”

Space is “viewpoint of dimension.” Thus, “space” and “viewpoint” are interchangeable. Viewpoint is NOT a point in space. Viewpoint is the entire space. A point is space would be a “dimension point.”

Duplication has to do with gaining familiarity with all the dimension points of a viewpoint. One cannot grasp the viewpoint fully until and unless one gains familiarity with all the dimension points of its space.

Yesterday, I was trying to get this child to understand a word and its meaning. The child stutters and cannot control his attention. I ended up getting the child to repeat the sounds of the word, and the sounds of the phrase describing its meaning as nothing seems to be registering with him. The idea here was to get him to duplicate the sound and then, hopefully, he will be able to attach meaning to those sounds in the process.

Duplication is the process employed to help move into a space. A normal person may do it in a blink of an eye. But some may have to work at it.

Understanding relates to viewpoint, and hence to “occupying a viewpoint,” or viewing from that viewpoint.

If a viewpoint is as-ised, the “understanding” is as-ised along with it. Beyond all viewpoints is BRAHMA.

“Knowledge,” “understanding,” “viewpoint,” “space,” “time,” etc. are all impermanent.

neti… neti…

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Ah, I see. I would say a viewpoint is not as-ised. It is occupied as space but whatever is in that viewpoint remains. What is as-ised is the unconsious attention one had on that viewpoint. One was creating a part of that viewpoint unconsciously and one now is creating it consciously. So one is not really duplicating the viewpoint. One is simply creating it. So duplication as effort is not applicable.
We are instantaneously creating all we see. The difference is do we know it or not. Duplication for me at least intimates both an effort to see and and a process of making something in order to see something. But all we are doing is occupying space and seeing what is there. Again, maybe splitting hairs but I think there is a difference worthy of note.

 

[small steps]

From Swami Vivekananda:

 

[Gottabrain]

BTs are a hoax, Schwimmel said it very well.

 

[Vinaire]

BTs are a hoax, Schwimmel said it very well.

I think so too. What one is really looking at are points of non-optimum attention.

The basics of handling such points are as follows:

LOOK & NOTICE

EXPERIENCE

ATTENTION

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