Effort to Simplify
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Here is my present understanding of OT III
(1) One is auditing ideas, concepts, conclusions, etc., and not incidental pictures.
(2) One is looking at points of non-optimum sttention in, on or around the body as determined by meter reactions and/or pressure areas.
(3) These points of non-optimum attention are referred to as BTs (Body Thetans), primarily to create the idea that one is auditing somebody else.
(4) "Intending BTs through Inc 1 and Inc 2" is simply a method used to keep one LOOKING at that point of non-optimum attention. It may also serve as keeping the concept of COLLISION in one's mind.
(5) The idea that one is auditing someone else keeps one's attention off from thinking or figuring one's own case. It is a method to bring about LOOKING WITHOUT THINKING.
(6) "BTs blowing off" simply means that attention is now optimum at that point. It doesn't mean that one has gotten rid of something.
(7) The idea of "spiritual teammates" is simply a fix to negate the idea of "getting rid of," which was a misunderstood in the first place.
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(1) One is auditing ideas, concepts, conclusions, etc., and not incidental pictures.
(2) One is looking at points of non-optimum sttention in, on or around the body as determined by meter reactions and/or pressure areas.
(3) These points of non-optimum attention are referred to as BTs (Body Thetans), primarily to create the idea that one is auditing somebody else.
(4) "Intending BTs through Inc 1 and Inc 2" is simply a method used to keep one LOOKING at that point of non-optimum attention. It may also serve as keeping the concept of COLLISION in one's mind.
(5) The idea that one is auditing someone else keeps one's attention off from thinking or figuring one's own case. It is a method to bring about LOOKING WITHOUT THINKING.
(6) "BTs blowing off" simply means that attention is now optimum at that point. It doesn't mean that one has gotten rid of something.
(7) The idea of "spiritual teammates" is simply a fix to negate the idea of "getting rid of," which was a misunderstood in the first place.
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Vinaire
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One should understand what BTs (Body thetans) are all about.
Are there really thetans (souls) like you and me, attached to our bodies? Are self-determined life flows originationg from these body thetans that are stuck to our bodies? Or, is this just a device to get one to LOOK WITHOUT THINKING as explained in the post above?
I shall opt for the latter because I do not see any evidence for the former. Maybe the idea of body thetans fits into some people's experience, and that is fine. Each of us is on a road to truth, and one move's from truth to truth (not from error to truth).
The truth that appeals to me is:
LOOK WITHOUT THINKING, EXPERIENCE WITHOUT RESISTING AS YOU MOVE THROUGH LIFE, AND YOU WOULD GROW SPIRITUALLY.
Slows and stops come about only when one adds thinking to looking, and resistence to experiencing. One can get too significant with complex reasonings.
For me simplicity is the best thing to seek in life.
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Are there really thetans (souls) like you and me, attached to our bodies? Are self-determined life flows originationg from these body thetans that are stuck to our bodies? Or, is this just a device to get one to LOOK WITHOUT THINKING as explained in the post above?
I shall opt for the latter because I do not see any evidence for the former. Maybe the idea of body thetans fits into some people's experience, and that is fine. Each of us is on a road to truth, and one move's from truth to truth (not from error to truth).
The truth that appeals to me is:
LOOK WITHOUT THINKING, EXPERIENCE WITHOUT RESISTING AS YOU MOVE THROUGH LIFE, AND YOU WOULD GROW SPIRITUALLY.
Slows and stops come about only when one adds thinking to looking, and resistence to experiencing. One can get too significant with complex reasonings.
For me simplicity is the best thing to seek in life.
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Alanzo
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I agree with your assessment of OT 3.
And I can not tell you how good it is to be able to come to this without dying of pneumonia or spending more than $80,000, and 3 years of my life, to get from Clear through OT 3 in L Ron Hubbard's Church of Scientology.
There was a time when I was terrified of all this.
But those were just emotions placed there temporarily by demons on my road to truth. I have made it through the true wall of fire: I have graduated from Scientology, and am moving on to my next step.
I have seen the lies and the manipulation that awaits a person while they seek the truth of this existence, and my ray-gun of perception blasts holes into planets. I have conquered this level.
I am now Fuck of the Mountain.
Thank you.
And I can not tell you how good it is to be able to come to this without dying of pneumonia or spending more than $80,000, and 3 years of my life, to get from Clear through OT 3 in L Ron Hubbard's Church of Scientology.
There was a time when I was terrified of all this.
But those were just emotions placed there temporarily by demons on my road to truth. I have made it through the true wall of fire: I have graduated from Scientology, and am moving on to my next step.
I have seen the lies and the manipulation that awaits a person while they seek the truth of this existence, and my ray-gun of perception blasts holes into planets. I have conquered this level.
I am now Fuck of the Mountain.
Thank you.
Vinaire
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From what I have understood to be the essence of OT III, I am going to attempt running it using the KHTK approach.
As I see it, the essence of OT III is as follows:
(1) One is running Inc 2 and then Inc 1 on body thetans.
(2) Inc 2 contains the "Volcano bit" and the "R6 implant". The Volcano bit has to do with IMPACT that has the effect of fixating thetans attention to such a degree as to freeze it in place.
(3) With the thetan's attention now fixated he is given the heavy dose of R6 materials.
(4) All the R6 materials can be let go if the IMPACT can be run out.
(5) Inc 1 does not have an IMPACT the same way but it also serves to fixate or feeze a thetan's attention. Maybe the impact here is of a subtle kind at a much shorter wave-length.
(6) What OT III is attempting to do here is to run out the CONCEPT of IMPACT itself. This is akin to running out the agreement of getting impacted in the first place.
(7) Prior to OT III all incidental pictures have been run out. There are no personal incidents to be run. There are no more pictures to be run that could be made available on a general basis. Any attempt to run pictures will result in dub-in pictures to be created unknowingly, and free wheeling can occur.
(8) It now comes down to running CONCEPTS from an exterior viewpoint (WITHOUT THINKING).
(9) The most obvious concept to run would be "the physical universe" as we are living it every moment of our lives. The most obvious representation of the physical universe is MATTER. The most obvious representation of MATTER in terms of experience is IMPACT. That is how pictures (recordings on theta) come about.
(10) IMPACT is more than just being hit by a car. The sense of touch comes from millions of little impacts on the skin. The sense of sight comes from the direct impact of electromagnetic waves on the retina, and so on with hearing etc.
(11) The body is made out of ridges formed from impacts. Thus, impact is the first and most basic idea, concept, agreement, or whatever, that needs to be run.
(12) IMPACT needs to be run on the boundaries we use to define ourselves. The boundaries would be the body, the mind, considerations, etc.
(13) We cannot run IMPACT as a generality. It has to be run in as specific way as possible, even if it has be run "cell by cell".
(14) The KHTK approach would allow the concept of IMPACT to be run at all the non-optimum points of attention as and when they show up using "LOOK WITHOUT THINKING, EXPERIENCE WITHOUT RESISTING" approach.
(15) This I would be doing during the subsequent weeks, as and when I get time. I believe that it is perfectly safe as long as I keep to the above approach. Danger will come only when THINKING is mixed with LOOKING.
(16) If there are any results I shall report them here.
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As I see it, the essence of OT III is as follows:
(1) One is running Inc 2 and then Inc 1 on body thetans.
(2) Inc 2 contains the "Volcano bit" and the "R6 implant". The Volcano bit has to do with IMPACT that has the effect of fixating thetans attention to such a degree as to freeze it in place.
(3) With the thetan's attention now fixated he is given the heavy dose of R6 materials.
(4) All the R6 materials can be let go if the IMPACT can be run out.
(5) Inc 1 does not have an IMPACT the same way but it also serves to fixate or feeze a thetan's attention. Maybe the impact here is of a subtle kind at a much shorter wave-length.
(6) What OT III is attempting to do here is to run out the CONCEPT of IMPACT itself. This is akin to running out the agreement of getting impacted in the first place.
(7) Prior to OT III all incidental pictures have been run out. There are no personal incidents to be run. There are no more pictures to be run that could be made available on a general basis. Any attempt to run pictures will result in dub-in pictures to be created unknowingly, and free wheeling can occur.
(8) It now comes down to running CONCEPTS from an exterior viewpoint (WITHOUT THINKING).
(9) The most obvious concept to run would be "the physical universe" as we are living it every moment of our lives. The most obvious representation of the physical universe is MATTER. The most obvious representation of MATTER in terms of experience is IMPACT. That is how pictures (recordings on theta) come about.
(10) IMPACT is more than just being hit by a car. The sense of touch comes from millions of little impacts on the skin. The sense of sight comes from the direct impact of electromagnetic waves on the retina, and so on with hearing etc.
(11) The body is made out of ridges formed from impacts. Thus, impact is the first and most basic idea, concept, agreement, or whatever, that needs to be run.
(12) IMPACT needs to be run on the boundaries we use to define ourselves. The boundaries would be the body, the mind, considerations, etc.
(13) We cannot run IMPACT as a generality. It has to be run in as specific way as possible, even if it has be run "cell by cell".
(14) The KHTK approach would allow the concept of IMPACT to be run at all the non-optimum points of attention as and when they show up using "LOOK WITHOUT THINKING, EXPERIENCE WITHOUT RESISTING" approach.
(15) This I would be doing during the subsequent weeks, as and when I get time. I believe that it is perfectly safe as long as I keep to the above approach. Danger will come only when THINKING is mixed with LOOKING.
(16) If there are any results I shall report them here.
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Vinaire
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At OT levels one is looking at ideas, concepts, considerations, conclusions, etc. One is NOT looking at pictures. On OT III, one starts looking at what creates pictures – the IMPACT. It is IMPACT that creates recordings on theta, which then appear as pictures.
The safe approach to audit out considerations, such as IMPACT, is to LOOK WITHOUT THINKING, EXPERIENCE WITHOUT RESISTING, WHATEVER APPEARS AS A POINT OF NON-OPTIMUM ATTENTION.
The first thing to look at is the word IMPACT and what concept it conveys. It requires looking up the definitions of the word IMPACT and its derivation. The first definition of IMPACT is:
The derivation of IMPACT is:
Hence, the basic idea underlying IMPACT is “to drive in, plant firmly.”
Okay, this is the start. Now I am going to make examples of IMPACT that are real to me and look at any point of non-optimum attention that appears simultaneously, using KHTK approach.
I don't think I need to even close my eyes. I look at the ideas here in my mind. If the eyes close by themselves then let them close.
NOTE: For some individuals it may require clearing up words in the definitions, hence a chain of words. The essence of word clearing tech applies here.
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The safe approach to audit out considerations, such as IMPACT, is to LOOK WITHOUT THINKING, EXPERIENCE WITHOUT RESISTING, WHATEVER APPEARS AS A POINT OF NON-OPTIMUM ATTENTION.
The first thing to look at is the word IMPACT and what concept it conveys. It requires looking up the definitions of the word IMPACT and its derivation. The first definition of IMPACT is:
The derivation of IMPACT is:
Hence, the basic idea underlying IMPACT is “to drive in, plant firmly.”
Okay, this is the start. Now I am going to make examples of IMPACT that are real to me and look at any point of non-optimum attention that appears simultaneously, using KHTK approach.
I don't think I need to even close my eyes. I look at the ideas here in my mind. If the eyes close by themselves then let them close.
NOTE: For some individuals it may require clearing up words in the definitions, hence a chain of words. The essence of word clearing tech applies here.
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Vinaire
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Hi, just to say, i am reading you here, Vinaire.
I welcome you in the effort to simplify.
EFFORT: To align motion to one's postulate.
POSTULATE: What is intended to be manifested.
MANIFESTED: Brought to view as motion is aligned.
SIMPLIFY: To take the vias out.
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Vinaire
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The basic idea underlying IMPACT is forceful contact.
FORCE = Random (disorganized) direction imparted to motion.
MOTION = the manifestation of change of viewpoint of dimension points.
Thus, any impact would jar, rattle or shake one’s viewpoint. The viewpoint will suffer as a result. This would be accomplished by jarring, rattling or shaking one’s dimension points.
DIMENSION POINT = any point in a space or at the boundaries of space.
VIEWPOINT = a point of awareness from which one can perceive.
AWARENESS = the ability to perceive the existence of.
Thus, one’s very ability to perceive would be jarred.
[To be continued...]
FORCE = Random (disorganized) direction imparted to motion.
MOTION = the manifestation of change of viewpoint of dimension points.
Thus, any impact would jar, rattle or shake one’s viewpoint. The viewpoint will suffer as a result. This would be accomplished by jarring, rattling or shaking one’s dimension points.
DIMENSION POINT = any point in a space or at the boundaries of space.
VIEWPOINT = a point of awareness from which one can perceive.
AWARENESS = the ability to perceive the existence of.
Thus, one’s very ability to perceive would be jarred.
[To be continued...]
Vinaire
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Any time an impact is recorded as a picture, one’s ability to perceive is affected. One now perceives the picture instead of the motion that existed before.
That motion, instead of getting aligned to one’s postulates, got converted into a fixed picture. Hence, underlying any picture there is unaligned motion. This is a new way of looking at pictures.
At earlier levels of KHTK we were converting such pictures to concepts. At this level of KHTK we are looking at such concepts more closely. At the moment we are looking at the concept of IMPACT that creates PICTURES.
PICTURE = a visual representation as through painting. Pixels come together to form a picture. It is motion aligned and fixed in a certain way. The ability to “dynamically realign pixels” is reduced as pictures are created and then used for reference. In computer analogy, it will be going from machine language to a higher level language where flexibility is sacrificed for convenience.
[To be continued…]
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That motion, instead of getting aligned to one’s postulates, got converted into a fixed picture. Hence, underlying any picture there is unaligned motion. This is a new way of looking at pictures.
At earlier levels of KHTK we were converting such pictures to concepts. At this level of KHTK we are looking at such concepts more closely. At the moment we are looking at the concept of IMPACT that creates PICTURES.
PICTURE = a visual representation as through painting. Pixels come together to form a picture. It is motion aligned and fixed in a certain way. The ability to “dynamically realign pixels” is reduced as pictures are created and then used for reference. In computer analogy, it will be going from machine language to a higher level language where flexibility is sacrificed for convenience.
[To be continued…]
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Vinaire
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There are probably two types of pictures:
(1) Picture created from impact. Such a picture will have unaligned motion frozen in place. This picture contains CHARGE (like in a coiled spring that is trying to uncoil)
(2) Picture created by aligning the motion to one’s postulate. Such picture would contain no charge. This picture may be realigned at any time.
In auditing, one is basically trying to get charge out of pictures. This means converting “frozen unaligned motion” into “aligned motion” in any picture. This is going from (1) to (2) above.
One accomplishes this by experiencing a picture until all charge is released.
Impact creates charge. Looking and experiencing releases that charge.
As the charge is removed, one's perception improves... and one's ability to perceive also improves.
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(1) Picture created from impact. Such a picture will have unaligned motion frozen in place. This picture contains CHARGE (like in a coiled spring that is trying to uncoil)
(2) Picture created by aligning the motion to one’s postulate. Such picture would contain no charge. This picture may be realigned at any time.
In auditing, one is basically trying to get charge out of pictures. This means converting “frozen unaligned motion” into “aligned motion” in any picture. This is going from (1) to (2) above.
One accomplishes this by experiencing a picture until all charge is released.
Impact creates charge. Looking and experiencing releases that charge.
As the charge is removed, one's perception improves... and one's ability to perceive also improves.
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Vinaire
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When an impact occurs between two “thetans” it is basically in terms of their dimension points (see the FACTORS). Both thetans now have a charged picture of that impact. If one thetan looks at the picture and removes charge from it, then, possibly, the charge is also removed for the other thetan, who may be looking at the same picture, or a close approximation of it.
The impact is the same, but each thetan may come away with its own picture, or there may be just a common picture. In either case, if one thetan bleeds the charge of its picture (or the common picture), then it may become easier for the other thetan to bleed its charge. This is a supposition.
So, in my opinion, by bleeding charge out of our pictures, we may be making it easier for others (whom we have impacted) to remove charge out of their pictures.
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The impact is the same, but each thetan may come away with its own picture, or there may be just a common picture. In either case, if one thetan bleeds the charge of its picture (or the common picture), then it may become easier for the other thetan to bleed its charge. This is a supposition.
So, in my opinion, by bleeding charge out of our pictures, we may be making it easier for others (whom we have impacted) to remove charge out of their pictures.
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Vinaire
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Track would start with pictures that have charge in them.
Before this point there may be pictures, but those pictures will have no charge in them. Those pictures will contain motion that is aligned with thetan’s postulates. The thetan can realign motion in those pictures as it feels fit.
The thetan can do the same with later pictures after the charge has been removed from them.
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Before this point there may be pictures, but those pictures will have no charge in them. Those pictures will contain motion that is aligned with thetan’s postulates. The thetan can realign motion in those pictures as it feels fit.
The thetan can do the same with later pictures after the charge has been removed from them.
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Vinaire
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There seem to be two types of collisions:
(1) Collision with random motion out there, which is not directed by anyone. For example, when one’s car collides with a wall.
(2) Collision with motion out there, which is directed by another thetan. For example, when one’s car collides with a car driven by somebody.
In the first type of collision, the dimension points are not actively being directed by another thetan. One simply needs to sort out the charge relative to oneself.
However, in the second type of collision, one has not only one’s own charge, but also the charge of the other person confronting one.
On OT III, one is looking at "another person’s charge" not as a generality (as in the first type of collision) but on a "person-to-person" basis (as in the second type of collision).
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(1) Collision with random motion out there, which is not directed by anyone. For example, when one’s car collides with a wall.
(2) Collision with motion out there, which is directed by another thetan. For example, when one’s car collides with a car driven by somebody.
In the first type of collision, the dimension points are not actively being directed by another thetan. One simply needs to sort out the charge relative to oneself.
However, in the second type of collision, one has not only one’s own charge, but also the charge of the other person confronting one.
On OT III, one is looking at "another person’s charge" not as a generality (as in the first type of collision) but on a "person-to-person" basis (as in the second type of collision).
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Almsivi
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Excellent, Vin.
I sent you one personal message on the other Scientology forum (http://www.scnforum.org/index.php),
hope you received it.
I have to store (save) this posts of yours on some text file on my comp, your post are "mind refreshing".
And, btw, what is KHTK?
I sent you one personal message on the other Scientology forum (http://www.scnforum.org/index.php),
hope you received it.
I have to store (save) this posts of yours on some text file on my comp, your post are "mind refreshing".
And, btw, what is KHTK?
Vinaire
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Excellent, Vin.
I sent you one personal message on the other Scientology forum (http://www.scnforum.org/index.php),
hope you received it.
I have to store (save) this posts of yours on some text file on my comp, your post are "mind refreshing".
And, btw, what is KHTK?
KHTK stands for "Knowing How To Know" It refers to the following series of issues:
LOOKING
EXPERIENCING
ATTENTION
VIEWPOINT
These issues are currently being piloted and revised.
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Vinaire
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I am looking at OT IV materials now. The old OT IV looked more deeply into the concepts of Matter, Energy, Space and Time, which is as I would expect. However, the new OT IV gets into handling the effect of drugs on BTs. Here I have a question because I have never taken drugs this lifetime that affect the mind.
What pictures does one encounter under the influence of drugs? Does one encounter similar pictures as one goes deep into the mind?
I think this "drug phenomenon" may be a natural consequence of going deep into the mind and not because of past track drug incidents. Where do these "pictures" come from in the first place? What are they like?
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What pictures does one encounter under the influence of drugs? Does one encounter similar pictures as one goes deep into the mind?
I think this "drug phenomenon" may be a natural consequence of going deep into the mind and not because of past track drug incidents. Where do these "pictures" come from in the first place? What are they like?
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