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Eight Dynamics, Overts/Withholds, Problems

Discussion in 'Grundy's Guide to Scientology' started by grundy, Mar 17, 2008.

  1. grundy

    grundy Gold Meritorious Patron

    In scientology, life is broken up into eight areas. Each of these is called a dynamic.

    In english, the word dynamic is defined:

    1) Adj. - pertaining to or characterized by energy or effective action; vigorously active or forceful; energetic: the dynamic president of the firm.
    2) Noun - a basic or dynamic force, esp. one that motivates, affects development or stability, etc.

    Hubbard states in Dianetics the Modern Science of Mental Health that all life has a dynamic instinct toward "Survive!" So every action that someone takes can be traced back to a desire to survive in some way.

    Now, there are some actions that seem contra-survival (against survival), such as someone throwing himself on a grenade. And this would be contrasurvival if you only looked at the concept of survive according to one's own survival.

    So Hubbard broke up the areas of life and defined them in this way:

    Dynamic 1 - Survival for self. Survival toward yourself. Doing things that help you surive.
    Dynamic 2 - Survival of family. This is (was) broken down to Dynamic 2A survival toward sex and 2B survival toward the family unit.*
    Dynamic 3 - Survival for groups. Survival toward groups - actions that help a group that you are involved in.
    Dynamic 4 - Survival for mankind. Survival toward mankind as a whole, doing things that help all people that belong to your species.
    Dynamic 5 - Survival for life. Survival toward life as a whole. Plants, animals, etc.
    Dynamic 6 - Survival for physical universe. Survival toward all things that are physically extant. Books, cars, etc. Anything at all that is physical.
    Dynamic 7 - Survival for spirits. Surival toward all things spiritual. You as a spiritual being, ghosts, spirits. Whatever.
    Dynamic 8 - Survival for infinity. Survival toward a Supreme being, god, prime mover unmoved.

    *Dynamic 2 has recently been defined by the Church of Scientology as survival toward creation. The family is a creative thing, trying to create the next generation, etc. Art is a creative force. And so forth. This is a source of great contention between orthodox Scientology (what the church expresses) and protestant Scientology (freezone, etc), traditionalists and others.
    People who do not agree with the current church feel that the redefinition is indefensible and an alteration of monsterous proportions.
    The reasoning behind such is given as later statements by L. Ron Hubbard which redefine it, where those that opt for a more traditional definition feel that later statements would only add to the original definition, not fundamentally change it.
    The suspected reason (by those that are critical to the orthodox church) is that this alteration was the only way to justify changes in management's decision to effectively outlaw members of it's cloistered orders (Sea Organization) from having children, and at some levels from even marrying (marraige is required before sex in the Sea Organization).


    So, all actions are considered to be found somewhere within this range of survival. Someone throwing himself on a grenade is abrogating his survival of self for survival of his comrades (3rd dynamic), survival of his family (2nd dynamic) and/or survival of mankind as a whole (4th dynamic).

    Things are considered survival or non-survival based on the percentage of creation vs. destruction intrinsic to the action or decision. So, this decision might be considered survival if it helped more dynamics than it hurt.

    Man is considered to be basically good.

    Overts are considered to be actions which do more harm to more areas of life than help. Withholds are those overts which are then withheld from being discovered because the person feels that discovery will harm his survival. All overts are committed to solve some problem.

    A problem is a force, counter-force; decision, counter-decision; one thing versus another which then sticks there in the middle. Problems are often based on opposition of dynamics in many cases. The urge toward survival of self vs groups as an example. If I go home, I will be better-rested, but if I stay here it will help my company.

    So an overt is a solution which is short sighted or miscalculated and actually does more harm then good.

    In Scientology, all upsets or desires to leave are thought to be because of overts and withholds, especially missed withholds. A missed withhold is a circumstance where someone "almost found out" or "might have found out" and so the person, to deflect attention from his own withholds will become upset or commit further overts to hide the original overt.

    It is considered that when a person conciously or subconciously decides that he is committing too many overts, he will leave or will invite people to destroy him because this means that he will stop committing these overts which are against his basic nature which is good.
     
  2. Muhammad

    Muhammad Patron

    Orwellian

    The political manipulation of language, by obfuscation, e.g. WAR IS PEACE. Using language to obfuscate meaning or to reduce and eliminate ideas and their meanings that are deemed dangerous to its authority. George Orwell

    As sala'amu alaikum
     
  3. grundy

    grundy Gold Meritorious Patron

    I'm just waiting for Terril, Nick, Alan, Bea - SOMEBODY to add clarification or correction.

    :p
     
  4. nw2394

    nw2394 Silver Meritorious Patron

    Why? What clarification did you want? It's late here and I only scanned what you wrote - but it seemed reasonable.

    The CoS is running an inversion on the 2nd - total crapola invented by DM or some other idiot in RTC.

    Nick
     
  5. grundy

    grundy Gold Meritorious Patron

    :D

    Because I usually get corrected on SOMETHING!

    And yeah. I wanted to write it in such a way as to sound objective .. but I think it IS particular crap ...
     
  6. Tanstaafl

    Tanstaafl Crusader

    Tansy steps up to the plate.........:)

    The 2nd dynamic is not creativity as it is defined in the newer edition of the effix book. If you go over early 50's material there is no ambiguity - the 2nd dynamic is creating things for future survival. Right here and now that means kids - the family creates and nurtures kids. No kids = no bodies for you to have when you drop this one.

    If we were all running doll or robot bodies :)eyeroll:) the 2nd dynamic would be robot body R&D, design, production and maintenance.

    I'm not saying I agree with this but this is what it should be. :yes:
     
  7. DartSmohen

    DartSmohen Silver Meritorious Patron

    So Hubbard broke up the areas of life and defined them in this way:

    Dynamic 1 - Survival for self. Survival toward yourself. Doing things that help you surive.
    Dynamic 2 - Survival of family. This is (was) broken down to Dynamic 2A survival toward sex and 2B survival toward the family unit.*
    Dynamic 3 - Survival for groups. Survival toward groups - actions that help a group that you are involved in.
    Dynamic 4 - Survival for mankind. Survival toward mankind as a whole, doing things that help all people that belong to your species.
    Dynamic 5 - Survival for life. Survival toward life as a whole. Plants, animals, etc.
    Dynamic 6 - Survival for physical universe. Survival toward all things that are physically extant. Books, cars, etc. Anything at all that is physical.
    Dynamic 7 - Survival for spirits. Surival toward all things spiritual. You as a spiritual being, ghosts, spirits. Whatever.
    Dynamic 8 - Survival for infinity. Survival toward a Supreme being, god, prime mover unmoved.

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    Ever since the inception of the dynamics Scientology has run an inverted view of them and manipulated it's public toward their "take" on them.

    So, let us review how another way to look at them.

    The first dynamic is the MOST important one as without self there can be no others.
    This leads to the second dynamic, where our families are created. This is a social construct and is neccessary for the development of a third dynamic, which is itself built on family blocks.
    Thus a fourth dynamic is created from the growth of third dynamic groups.

    This all expands out like ripples when you throw a rock in a pond.

    This is why the Hubbard and the Scn hierarchy had their heads firmly up their arses in that they got up on their hind legs and brayed that the third dynamic was more important than the second.

    Our children and families are our future, so if you try and mess with that then guess what? There is no future. If the guys running the cult had been smart (some hope!) then they would have encouraged families to develop and grow under their umbrella. Look at the mormon and catholic Jewish and muslim religeons, they embraced family values and grew as a result.

    Think about your own families and your own experiences and see if what is said here holds true for you.
     
  8. sandygirl

    sandygirl Silver Meritorious Patron

    Quote from Dartsmohen:
    Yeah..That would be logical....but

    How would you get people to give up most of their family time to work for the church for free? How would you get people to give up the $$ that should be going for their basic living expenses and childrens future for fancy birthday parties for TC? How would you get free slave labor in the SO?

    I think they knew what they were doing!
     
  9. DartSmohen

    DartSmohen Silver Meritorious Patron

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    As Hubbard said "Sell them a piece of blue sky" :whistling: :ohmy:
     
  10. nw2394

    nw2394 Silver Meritorious Patron

    That has been my observation too.

    It could be said, from a truly ruthless OT sort of viewpoint that saying the first is the most important is actually an inversion - but if that is the case the inversion on the 2nd that the CoS is running is actually an inversion of an inversion. In other words, they out the bottom and still digging.

    The dynamics are a fairly obvious, convenient way of packaging up life - but they are actually quite arbitrary - one could package things up any which way - or not at all.

    Nick
     
  11. Zinjifar

    Zinjifar Silver Meritorious Sponsor

    If they weren't packaged up, what would Scientology have to sell?

    Zinj
     
  12. Mark A. Baker

    Mark A. Baker Sponsor

    Which are you objecting to, the "packaging" or the "selling"?

    If the latter, I'm inclined to agree. Unfortunately we live in mercenary times. As disgusting as Co$ marketing practices are, they aren't especially "out of sync" with the "greater society".

    Where the Co$ tends to differ is in the long history of extraordinary harassment and abuse of staff, public, & critics. That is relatively uncommon, although not completely unheard of.


    Mark A. Baker