Elements of Wins

[pineapple]

Reminds me of book and bottle, supposed to go exterior, LOL

what is it's weight, what is it's temperature..........

I can't believe I ran the process for hours and hours and then on another. What a complete waste of time all for Hubbard's bullshit of sublime of going exterior, LOL

Actually, @Gib, I have to put in a good word for Book and Bottle (aka Op Pro By Dup). It ran very light on me, but it caused major change in the guy who was my twin on the HQS course, a very introverted Japanese-American guy. It really seemed to bring him out of his shell, so to speak. He got angry, yelled, gave nonsensical answers, slammed the book and bottle down, etc. This was most unlike his usual very reserved behavior. I forget how it eventually EP'ed (he didn't go exterior), but he became much more outgoing and seemed much happier afterwards. The C/S wrote to me, "I think you've found your calling." This was my first big win as an auditor.

So it may have been a waste for you, and it didn't do much for me (although I did go exterior, or what we called "exterior" then), but it did a lot for this guy, and I would guess for some other people.

Does this qualify as a type of win? A win you had auditing someone else?

 

[Dulloldfart]

So it may have been a waste for you, and it didn't do much for me (although I did go exterior, or what we called "exterior" then), but it did a lot for this guy, and I would guess for some other people.

Does this qualify as a type of win? A win you had auditing someone else?

Good point. I had just been looking exclusively at wins where one has received some sort of action. But there are other types, including non-auditing actions, that one has done, and I suppose ones which have only been observed in others too (note how carefully I'm avoiding using the Scn word "flow" ). The action could be very short or last decades, like cooking a good meal or raising a family well.

How about:

7. Well-deserved feelings like fulfilment, satisfaction, pride in a job well done, self-esteem after some achievement, not at all like the shallow one of status alone. Such a win could be short-term or lifelong.

Paul

 

[Gib]

Actually, @Gib, I have to put in a good word for Book and Bottle (aka Op Pro By Dup). It ran very light on me, but it caused major change in the guy who was my twin on the HQS course, a very introverted Japanese-American guy. It really seemed to bring him out of his shell, so to speak. He got angry, yelled, gave nonsensical answers, slammed the book and bottle down, etc. This was most unlike his usual very reserved behavior. I forget how it eventually EP'ed (he didn't go exterior), but he became much more outgoing and seemed much happier afterwards. The C/S wrote to me, "I think you've found your calling." This was my first big win as an auditor.

So it may have been a waste for you, and it didn't do much for me (although I did go exterior, or what we called "exterior" then), but it did a lot for this guy, and I would guess for some other people.

Does this qualify as a type of win? A win you had auditing someone else?

so one win and it works? Sounds like hubbard who would put out a glowing PR rhetoric piece.

How many peeps you audit on B&B?

I wonder how many peeps have been run on B&B and are not around anymore?

Same question could be asked of any of Hubbard's process's and auditing etc.

 

[Gib]

Here's a perfect example of Hubbard's evangelism, Just substitute the words God with Hubbard, and studying the bible with scientology tech. Hubbard cleverly introduced science into the equation. LOL

 

[pineapple]

so one win and it works? Sounds like hubbard who would put out a glowing PR rhetoric piece.

How many peeps you audit on B&B?

I wonder how many peeps have been run on B&B and are not around anymore?

Same question could be asked of any of Hubbard's process's and auditing etc.

Well, for that one guy it got a very visible good result. I'm not saying it's for everyone.

There's a tape where Hubbard says, "You have no business running CCH's on a pc who's up to talking to an auditor." This probably applies to objectives generally. On somebody who can communicate fairly well, maybe they aren't too effective. But the guy I'm talking about wasn't up to talking to an auditor, so for him it was a good thing.

Scn's "bridge" makes the assumption that the same processes benefit everyone, which is obviously not true.

I don't advocate scn and in fact highly recommend avoiding it entirely, but I can't deny that I occasionally saw good results from auditing.

 

[Gib]

Well, for that one guy it got a very visible good result. I'm not saying it's for everyone.

There's a tape where Hubbard says, "You have no business running CCH's on a pc who's up to talking to an auditor." This probably applies to objectives generally. On somebody who can communicate fairly well, maybe they aren't too effective. But the guy I'm talking about wasn't up to talking to an auditor, so for him it was a good thing.

Scn's "bridge" makes the assumption that the same processes benefit everyone, which is obviously not true.

I don't advocate scn and in fact highly recommend avoiding it entirely, but I can't deny that I occasionally saw good results from auditing.

no doubt, I had some wins.

 

[Dotey OT]

Hence the fact that in spite of it's original fear-filled leader's death in 1986, it's still around confusing and fucking people over 30 years later.

 

[Gib]

Hence the fact that in spite of it's original fear-filled leader's death in 1986, it's still around confusing and fucking people over 30 years later.

yah, but actually, fear was written into dianetics & scientology, For if one read that book or anything about scientology tech, one can conclude that at any moment in time, why a engram could get stimulated, resulting in one playing out the engram from long ago, fear of that happening. And Ron had the answer, sounds logical.

The OT levels are about the mystery sandwich of OT3, fear of not making it, which Ron thru his words create fear thru his rhetoric talkings.

Ron as a writer and lecturer was pretty good at creating fear and then proposing a solution to the fear he created.

That's one way of looking at this whole mess.

Some books written by Hubbard:

https://www.biblio.com/book/fear-hu...MIp9ajwILH4QIVNx6tBh1ObQPXEAQYAiABEgJbCvD_BwE

https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/fortu...AQYAyABEgKfw_D_BwE#isbn=0884042111&idiq=30635

 

[programmer_guy]

Wins? When I was a course sup one student told me "Scientologists never say they are sorry".
That was his cognition on that day.

(Ha. Of course! "Propitiation" is regarded as being low on the Tone Scale... 0.8 )

 

[phenomanon]

I had never liked Dianetics. It made me feel massy. Couldn't figure out why it would work.

I was looking at these gruesome death photos in a particular cold case last week. I joined a group that was retrieving all the data police had seemed to have missed or ignored. I was focused as we are all asked to comment on motive and accomplices who'd escaped detection. I thought to myself that I was gettin too macabre. I was fascinated so many others kept joining the group of armchair detectives on the True Crime site. The last case was that of the Watts family in Denver.

I was passing my attention over and over the scene of the girls'' bodies being extracted from those oil batteries, and I was fixating on physical evidence. My goal was to be sure of the initial cause of death. I had to look closely and supply myself the imagery to supplant the 2700 page discovery report.

Something went release. Must have been my awareness was 'going in'.....'going in'....'going in'...way too intensely. Bedding and clothing I was inspecting displayed the helpless process that a dying body's organs go through. It's just, at a point, my too fixed attention embedded in the abhorrent just 'released'. My consciousness was ejected from the mass of feelings and decisions I'd been accumulating. I had the common, 'I am Me' and not 'that' exterior experience.

I glossed over past deaths in early auditing with not much effect as I wasn't identified with it any longer. I hadn't noticed I got a rehab of the I Am Me cog with eacj separations from coincident of viewpoint. I just kept rehabbing that I am Awareness,.... the additives are misconceptions about identity. Maybe grilling one's attention into a matter, over and over, to a point of exhaustion, causes some natural spring-back phenomena where it's impossible to view the situation any seriouser.