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Emmy nominations for Leah Remini's Scientology and the aftermath

Discussion in 'Breaking and Major News about Scientology' started by Karen#1, Jul 13, 2017.

  1. HelluvaHoax!

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    That triggered a different way to view Scientology (on this planet):

    -- Scientology essentially DID the New Non-Existence formula (on this planet).

    -- It asked (mankind): "What is needed & wanted?"

    -- Mankind responded: "We want the magical powers of exteriorization, infinite prosperity, postulates to get our every wish, immortality and all the other dreamy things you just promoted."

    -- Scientology then promptly accepted and banked $500,000 and delivered what was needed and wanted by saying: "Excellent, here is a certificate that proves you have all those superpowers you mentioned that are needed & wanted."

    -- To which mankind responded: "WTF are you talking about?! When do I get all the magical powers?!"

    -- And Scientology responded: "Oh, you have an MU. When we asked you want is needed and wanted, we meant what Scientology needed & wanted, which was the $500,000, so thanks for that. But if you are saying what YOU need and want is magical powers, you're almost there. You just need a couple of our new super-secret Advanced levels which will be another $500,000."

    -- A stunned mankind then said: "Wait! Isn't that bait and switch? Isn't that fraud?"

    --And Scientology used TR IV technology and handled that origination by saying: "Thank you, I totally duplicate what you are saying. But that is your reactive mind speaking. If you don't want to pay the next $500,000 and continue doing Scientology, then FUCK YOU & GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE, YOU ARE DECLARED AND DISCONNECTED AND YOU ARE FORBIDDEN FROM EVER TALKING TO ANY SCIENTOLOGIST OR THE MEDIA. AND IF YOU TRY THAT SHIT WE WILL UNLEASH GOONS TO RUIN AND DESTROY YOU, YOUR FAMILY, YOUR CAREER, YOUR FINANCES AND YOUR MENTAL HEALTH WITH FAIR GAME TERROR OPS."

    -- And mankind said: "Are you serious?"

    -- And Scientology triumphantly answered: "Totally serious, Scientology is a deadly serious activity."

    -- After which mankind blew and began learning more about Scn by reading SP books, watching SP tv shows and posting SP stuff on the internet.

    -- Then, Scientology held a huge event to announce the newest monumental breaktrhrough---that it had completed its Non-Existence formula on this planet and had upgraded itself to a condition of Power, after which it gave a jumbo medallion to a Scientology celebrity and all Scientologists were brought tears of joyous renewed certainty that the superpowers that Ron promise are real, and the only reason they didn't get them yet is that it is the greatest good for moviestars to get them first, after which everyone else will move closer to the front of the line. Thus, not getting the powers after decades and a million dollars is actually a huge win!

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  2. FoTi

    FoTi Crusader

    The only things he generously gave to us were BS and lies .... most of which he conned us into paying for so he could make his millions.
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  3. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    You keep denying this four year old boy was harmed by the experience despite having zero evidence that that is the case.

    Sticking a child, or an adult for that matter, in a chain locker for days or weeks at a time (as Hubbard did) can cause trauma that harms a person for a lifetime.

    Even if that were not the case, incarcerating children in a chain locker, which is dangerous and potentially life threatening, is abusive. Even worse when it's other peoples children.

    Just wondering, the days when you're away from ESMB, are you going over to the forum for Holocaust survivors and sharing with them how wonderful Hitler was?
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  4. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron


    You should have read your post before hitting the button Pitsy...


    Are the one of us two who continues to deny the kid was unharmed when there is zero evidence that he was.

    Luv ya Pitsy...

    This is actually a fairly sharp response to the challenge though; bypass the comparison and hold to the absolute standard comparing it only to right conduct toward children.

    And your marvelous malaprop to open the post speaks well of you...

    It's a subtle point but those who are fond of the form of analysis inaugurated by the concept of "The Freudian Slip" are likely to read that as clear evidence you are deeply touched by a quick review of the history of The Castrati, and defer to the comparison
  5. HelluvaHoax!

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    You've been defending (for years) this outrageous and indefensible true story of Hubbard terrorizing a four year old child for days.

    No reasoning arguments have any slightest effect on your acceptance of the sadistic torture of children by your hero Hubbard.

    This makes you totally "unreasonable". Literally and figuratively.

    Congratulations! That's one of the highest compliments one can pay to a Hubbard devotee.

    That's how crazy that scn shit made you, dude.

    Sure, you will have a "high toned" and "insouciant" response, go ahead. Proves my point.

    There are many qualities you have that i like, but your support of sadism is not one of them. It's quite despicable actually.

    Work on it in your next session. Surely Dr. Hubbard has more "cures" for you.
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  6. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    Why would it have mattered?

    Had the question been worded correctly you still weren't going to answer it.
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  7. lotus

    lotus stubborn rebel sheep!

    Birdie has gone into a huge load of cognitive dissonance about hubbard malignancy
    Remaining within it, makes him comfortable, and frankly, according to his condition, I don't think it's something he will be in a position to handle now, because it takes a great amount of energy, willingness and confront to see the cruel reality of a sadistic pervert we defended.

    But but but..sometimes it can be of help to just let a doubt come in and admit that one behaved as a true scumb of the earth and created the bad results of such behavior for people who gave him trust and respect.( really bad results especially with small kids and young innocent people he abused over a lifetime)

    and actually and factually created way more harm than good, that he essentially did for his personnal profit and benefit.

    That's his legacy. Period. Not matter one loves the guy or not!
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  8. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    HH, Derek came out of the chain locker UNHARMED; children are extraordinarily resilient creatures...

    My son is dead.

    His blood uncle, Greg Wilhere, for decades one of CSI's top half dozen executives is a person I personally hold culpable of the wrongful death of my son as he blocked my path to him when there was still a chance I might have made a difference of life and death.

    I will not be blinded by HOT BLACK LETHAL RAGE at my erstwhile brother-in-law so that I cannot see substantial, seminal and enduring value of auditing and auditor training

    Dispatching children under twelve to the chainlocker is proactively unendorsed. Over twelve? I don't like it but I can tolerate short term stays.

    There are some forms of sadism I do support. For instance one evening at Fenway Park early in the Aughts the Damn Yankees tied the game in the top of the Ninth. In the bottom of the frame The Olde Towne Team had a runner on third with one out and the batter lofted a soft fly to left drifting toward foul territory. The pinstripe leftfielder tracked it down and was straddling the white chalk line about 250 ft from home. Catch it and the runner tags and most likely scores. He looked up and you could hear the gears whirling in his skull. He dropped his hands to his side. The ball dropped on the chalk.

    It's a shame the infamous Marquis didn't live to see the game of baseball

    I might suspect Hubbsie of some sadism responding to some affront. I don't see it directed at children; an opinion buttressed by his response to the report of the deaf girl.

    You are welcome to your opinion and it's expression but LRH sadism toward children is pure opinion w/o corroborating or substantiating evidence
  9. Clay Pigeon

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    If the question had been "correctly worded" it would have been "a leading question" which is to say if I were to answer the Q per se I would acknowledge harm done to Derek, a charge for which no evidence exists

    The castrati was a horror which continued for centuries in the Holy See; hundreds probably thousands of nine and ten year old boys knackered, hundreds perhaps thousands killed by the procedure. Dozens of Popes gaining "religious inspiration" from their song.

    The RCC claims Authority over Christianity directly bestowed by The Nazarene to Peter and maintained through "The Apostolic Succession"

    Tell me Pitsy...


    I am a professing christian; do you think you or anyone else can bend fold spindle or mutilate my christian faith by continually and continuously hurling the tale of the castrati at me?
  10. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    My own son suffered a wrongful death by reason of questionable policy badly applied

    We're living in the same reality sweetheart

    You got someone who experienced worse than a dead son?

    I still used what I got from auditing and auditor training to massively spare my best friend pain and torment as he died of cancer and I used it to plant Leonard Lake

    among other things...

    Was Hubbard evil?

    I really don't know and I'm happy to let a Higher Court adjudicate the issue

    Maybe if you would let the warmth of the morning sun inspire to slip off your own antiscilon blinders you might look about at a world in which the countless bruised battered burned children who arrive at ER's in ambulances are hugely outnumbered by the ones who aren't located in an ambulance service area and weigh that against a child...



    after two days of relatively mild discomfort
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  11. Clay Pigeon

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    It's a long story FoTi (with parts which shall remain untold)

    Of course it has to do with much more than Our Beloved Founder. It is well archived on this board that I was an Armored Intelligence Specialist in the Army recruited by an agent of The Central Intelligence Agency in Boston in 1980 and as all fans of the fine popular literature produced by Ian Fleming are well aware it takes two kills to confirm status and Leonard was the second

    "Courtney", as he called himself, specifically mentioned my experience with Hubbard's work as qualifying me for assignment.

    Exactly how involves that esoteric dimension commonly referred to in these regions as "OT" and thus transcendent of material essay but as it happens, The Kill comes straight out of a single sentence in SOS. Beyond that, it's the whole package of study, practice and discipline but there is in fact one particular Grade 0 process utterly essential to the work. I was struck by it on sight and deeply impressed by running it...

    "Spot some hidden communications"

    I know of no other auditing process as good for making someone a dangerous and endangered creature
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  12. phenomanon

    phenomanon Canyon

  13. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    I can't recall the last time you ever gave me a direct answer to a question I asked. Will be glad to give you one though if you answer this one question:

    You have repeatedly made the claim that the 4 year old boy (Derek Greene) was unharmed after spending 48 hours in the chain locker. What evidence do you have to support that claim?
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  14. phenomanon

    phenomanon Canyon

    Say what you will about the castrati, those dudes could sing!:p
  15. phenomanon

    phenomanon Canyon

    It's not me.
    My computer is whack.
  16. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    I REPEAT Pitsy

    As I have repeatedly stated over several years

    The claim is VERY SOLIDLY supported by an absolute utterly unblemished absence of evidence of any harm done

    Derek is presumably running around somewhere so if you want to track him down and hornswoggle him into believing the fate and future of humankind hinges on him swearing out an affadavit stating he wet his bed six nights out of seven until the age of seventeen and he still suffers recurring nightmares of being stuffed into the chainlocker alongside a two ton octopus with 30 foot tentacles by a Hassidic rabbi in a naval uniform you are at liberty to do so but personally I would not seek him out to gain evidence in the form of an affadavit saying he was happy to be out in the sunshine and the next day he was playing with the kids who teased about pulling the devil claw this being the way I and other children acted when I was a child back about the time of The Boxer Rebellion. In fact even if I were to run into him i wouldn't inquire about the chainlocker as this is usually thought to be rude and manipulative conversation.


    The only way I could produce evidence he was unharmed is not an option.

    Which you are intelligent enough to figure out on your own

    I dislike child abuse even minor and especially serious and I really like people with the gumption to do something about it. Like the bro' I hung out with at Fast Eddie's place a while back. He was out of Ohio and hooked up with an old lady long enough to produce a couple of daughters. They split and she hooked up with some jackass who wound up in prison and the bro' then learned the jerk had molested his daughters so he did something to pull a one to three and get into the same slammer. Manufactured his very own shiv cornered the rude dude and "the vorpal blade went snicker-snack". Guard came along who proved to be a halfway decent sort himself who heard the tale and left the bro's name out of the report he filed with the fresh corpse.

    And if you check some recent posts you might note I claim to be proactive myself vis-a-vis serious child abuse
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  17. Clay Pigeon

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  18. HelluvaHoax!

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    I suggest a moratorium on the repeating unproductive conversations that you have had on MANY threads over the years on the subject of Hubbard terrorizing small children with chain lockers and other such abominations.

    You have your zany contrarian theories of how terrorizing small children is harmless and others are rightfully offended by your depraved indifference. You aren't going to change your mind and they aren't going to let such sociopathic trolling go unnoticed/unopposed.

    To you maybe it is not "trolling". But here's the secret---Scientologists are, by default, trolls.

    When you understand that, you will begin to break free of Hubbard's "humanitarian" sadistic perversions.

    You have engaged this particular bait trick far too often. Can't you find another suitable way to promote Hubbard's insane hoax? The child-abuse topic is worn out and tired, you have done it way too many times.

    You're a creative guy, come up with a new and fresh way to troll, okay?
  19. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    well Hoaxie my chum, I wouldn't be so creatively repetitive if I were not repeatedly assaulted as insensitive for my position on Derek Greene but When challenged I'm going to respond.

    I hope our readers will recognize you are finally begging for mercy because the image of Derek Greene being shoved into a chainlocker with a two ton octopus by an Hassidic rabbi in a navy suit cracked you up and doubled you over with laughter...

    But be careful what you ask for...

    You seem to have two "screensaver" rants for the spaces between ideas, one being Derek and the other even less substantial rant over "Hubbard lying about his second wife"

    For which no evidence exists...

    The often posted video clip where Ron responds first "My first wife is dead" and then to the interviewers next question "There is no second wife" is stale catfood. Ron in the video is addressing NO OTHER PERSON than the a-hole talking head interviewer who obviously is aware of the basic material facts of the relationship with Sara Northrop and just obviously Hubbard knows he knows.


    The declamation "there is no second wife" is the short set of words used to say "I'm not going there and if you go there you won't find me."

    As the interviewer knows the material facts and does not challenge Hubbard's statement as false the interviewer accepts the response.


    No person not directly addressed may then insist upon a literal reading of "There is no second wife"

    (Announcers hushed voice "A sharp clean break; there's balls all over the table. HH is chalking his cue...")
  20. HelluvaHoax!

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    As a baseball aficionado, you will appreciate my analogizing your current troll bait (the "second wife" issue) as reminiscent of Babe Ruth in his latter at-bats, swinging wildly and off balance, the bad flinging with uncontrolled motion into his own shins/ankles. Pathetic, right.

    That's how your trolling looks from the box seats, sir.

    Take some time and hit the batting cage and have someone run one of Ron's case remedies on you. When you have something better than this weak troll material try again. Then you will not be relegated to wildly whiffing as "casey" at the bat.